Evolution vs. Creation

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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as far as I can see, it's just a fancy word for religiousness.
It seems science is trying to find out if it's some sort of chemical in the brain, so the pharmaceuticals companies can come up with a drug that counter acts its effects...lol

ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry. Just not a specific bunch of chemicals.

Don't think you need to worry about any "atheist antibiotics" any time soon at any rate.

[Tinka]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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how so?...do you recycle?(lol)

Not sure how it is all that funny but ok, yeah try to recycle I suppose as much as one can sometimes I feel like f it, dump it into the trash...

Energy what about that if it is misused...

Or not used properly...

[Tinka]

The Dude wrote:

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You claim I am lame, however of the two of us, only I can demonstrate my position. Funny how life works, eh?

Demonstrate like a bit of it such as in a Demo...

Here though everyone can demonstratively place you in your position as well..so what's up with that...LIFE, as is to you may be what it is made up of...and you have nothing to say in it no part, then your place having demonstrated well nice to meet you in any case...

Maybe I don't know you no just kidding nice to meet you I can turn grumpy lately these days especially on the net...

Where do we put feelings in sense with it do many still put their feelings to their senses?

[Tinka]

The Dude wrote:

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ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry. Just not a specific bunch of chemicals.
Don't think you need to worry about any "atheist antibiotics" any time soon at any rate.

How do you know that to what chemicals not a specific kind sort...

So what is this Christian talk having to cover one's self from that which believes in no outer world per say?

They most believe don't they that no force greater than shall be overpowering to what creation is or is not what matters that we are...

[God Himself]

The Dude wrote:

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All humans are born with 125 to 175 mutations. Hominid fossils display clear evolutionary progression over the past 7 million years. Our closest modern cousins are chimps who share 98% of our DNA. Taking a look at fossil hominids over the past 7m years we observe that they start off with stooped posture, jutting out facial features and smaller craniums. As we observe the fossil record going further up the geological strata (forwards in time) we see a gradual reduction in facial features, more upright posture and an increase in cranial capacity. Meaning the characteristics become increasingly more similar to humans, just as evolution predicts.
As Darwin himself said at the time (which fundies love to point out) the fossil record at the time did not support the idea of hominid evolution and common ancestry. But since then the fossil record has vindicated his predictions:
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Paranthropus aethiopicus
Paranthropus boisei
Paranthropus robustus
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis
Homo ergaster
Homo erectus
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens
(list originally provided by Gillette on this thread here)
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Here we have some more data on the cranial capacity of fossil hominids confirming all the above:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/f...
And some more information on fossil hominids over the past few million years:
http://darwiniana.org/hominid.htm
Calculations based on DNA mutation rates indicates common ancestry between humans and chimps approximately 6 million years ago. This again is consistent with the evolutionary progression in the fossil record, as demonstrated above. However even without the fossil record, using our DNA alone would still make common ancestry the only plausible scientific explanation for observed biological phenomena.
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The creationist explanation?
Evolution is just a big evil worldwide evolutionist Darwinist atheist conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of scientists, numerous governments across the world, including all major scientific organisations, as well as all the Liberal activist courts. Because Goddidit with magic (without evolution no way no how) because the Bible is true cuz the Bible sez so amen.

What causes evolution by the way?

[The Dude]

God Himself wrote:

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What causes evolution by the way?

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

[Adam and Steve]

The Dude wrote:

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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

2 questions: 1) Are humans alone in the universe or is there an advanced race out there. 2) Is the God/Jesus story true or a fable?

[Cybele]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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as far as I can see, it's just a fancy word for religiousness.
It seems science is trying to find out if it's some sort of chemical in the brain, so the pharmaceuticals companies can come up with a drug that counter acts its effects...lol

What if religiosity is really a symptom? lol

[God Himself]

The Dude wrote:

ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry.

You suffering from foot-in-mouth disease.

If "ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry", then scientific conceptions are no more valid than mythology as such.

[God Himself]

The Dude wrote:

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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

What I have seen does not identify a cause of evolution.

I have seen an "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution by natural selection as an outcome. It is as simple as that.".

But thats horsesh!t.

To say "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution...", is not different from saying "if you have reproduction you will have evolution".

It is not different because production in itself involves "variation, differential reproduction, and heredity".

All they have accomplished is a redefinition of natural processes to suit their view of the natural world.

[Subduction Zone]

God Himself wrote:

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What I have seen does not identify a cause of evolution.
I have seen an "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution by natural selection as an outcome. It is as simple as that.".
But thats horsesh!t.
To say "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution...", is not different from saying "if you have reproduction you will have evolution".
It is not different because production in itself involves "variation, differential reproduction, and heredity".
All they have accomplished is a redefinition of natural processes to suit their view of the natural world.

You got one thing right. Evolution is pretty much unavoidable. Evolution is a natural process that is going to happen, once life begins.

[Cybele]

The Dude wrote:

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ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry. Just not a specific bunch of chemicals.
Don't think you need to worry about any "atheist antibiotics" any time soon at any rate.

God invented drugs. That's why he's omni-potent. lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potency_%28pharm...

[anonymous]

God Himself wrote:

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What I have seen does not identify a cause of evolution.
I have seen an "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution by natural selection as an outcome. It is as simple as that.".
But thats horsesh!t.
To say "If you have variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, you will have evolution...", is not different from saying "if you have reproduction you will have evolution".
It is not different because production in itself involves "variation, differential reproduction, and heredity".
All they have accomplished is a redefinition of natural processes to suit their view of the natural world.

No, it's not horse@hit. There's one simple assumption. Random mutation does not degrade the genome faster than propagation of the positive results of natural selection reinforces the strength of the genome. That's all it takes. Prove that such is not the case. Otherwise, the theory, but only the theory, is sound.

[God Himself]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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You got one thing right. Evolution is pretty much unavoidable. Evolution is a natural process that is going to happen, once life begins.

Yeah, just like in all the other universe you created right?

You clown.

Whatever happened once life begins is a continuation of what was happening before life began.

So until you can say that evolution was a real phenomena before the beginning of time, I wont have you tell me it began any time after time.

Furthermore, you have no knowledge of what happened when life began.

All you they is mere speculation which hangs on THE LOGIC in their arguments, which we are gradually beginning to discover is absent.

Furthermore, didnt you hear that all concepts are influenced by brain chemistry?

Ask "The Dude".

All you have evidence of is the chemical process in your brain. Period.

[God Himself]

Cybele wrote:

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God invented drugs. That's why he's omni-potent. lol

"A lot of truth is said in jest" (Eminem).

[God Himself]

anonymous wrote:

Random mutation does not degrade the genome faster than propagation of the positive results of natural selection reinforces the strength of the genome. That's all it takes.

All you are doing is redefining reproduction from the viewpoint of evolution, as such.

anonymous wrote:

Prove that such is not the case. Otherwise, the theory, but only the theory, is sound.

What have you been proving, except that you are clowns who would make clowns of us all?

[Cybele]

God Himself wrote:

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"A lot of truth is said in jest" (Eminem).

I know what you're doing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[God Himself]

Cybele wrote:

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I know what you're doing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Phock you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Cybele]

The Dude wrote:

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Actually yes, they accept the theory of evolution as the theory of evolution is described. Which means common ancestry. So like I said, either the UK (in your narrow little mind) is either mostly non-Christian, or most Christians in the UK accept evolution precisely the way that you don't like them to. And your dishonest attempt to ignore that means diddly squat.(shrug)
Same with your belief that you have the ability to judge all Christians like God can. You are after all just another uneducated fundie with an ego that contributes to the Earth's axial tilt.

Why wouldn't they? After all, Darwin is English.

English never ceases to amuse me.

[Cybele]

God Himself wrote:

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Phock you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

What about you actually do it

to yourself like a man

http://www.youtube.com/watch...