Evolution vs. Creation

[xxxooxxx]

Thomas Robertson wrote:

xxxooxxx wrote:
It would seem that if we were so closely related as implied by the evolution theory, then religiosity would be readily apparent in the animal kingdom. I cannot even think of one example...can you?
There is some question about whether or not other animals have religion.
Some monogamous species hold something like wedding ceremonies.
I forgot where I read this, but elephants hold burial ceremonies for the dead.
(I don't see how anyone could bury an elephant, but apparently it's possible.)
We don't know how much of it is a ritual and how much of it is a sanitary precaution, but it looks like at least some of it is a ritual.
What's more, they hold these sessions in the evening, with all the participants facing toward the setting sun.
So it seems that symbolism is not an exclusive property of humans, either.

Yea, but these are elephants...such "rituals" would surely be more predominant in the great ape species...but I have heard of none at all.

[Tinka]

phaines wrote:

I was trying to post in arabic...lol
it seen it as all caps.

I know I like the symbols when you use command and shift but I can't get nothing here on this keyboard....

[xxxooxxx]

phaines wrote:

religiosity ¿¿ I've never heard that word used before..figures...lol

as far as I can see, it's just a fancy word for religiousness.

It seems science is trying to find out if it's some sort of chemical in the brain, so the pharmaceuticals companies can come up with a drug that counter acts its effects...lol

[xxxooxxx]

Tinka wrote:

I so care for mother Earth...

how so?...do you recycle?(lol)

[The Dude]

GatorBUILT wrote:

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They stopped using the "Darwin admitted..." LAdy Whoever story after they finally got the messager that Darwin's daughter denied her story...of 100 years ago...that's a FUNDIOT For ya...hohumLOLOLO

Many fundies still use it today. Everything is valid if you're on a PR propaganda trip I guess.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> There is a reason behind every action. God does not kill intentionally.

Yeah, that whole global flood thing where he wiped out every single thing on the entire planet except for one specific wooden boat which he specifically told Noah to build.

All just a big whoopsie accident, right?

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text>Zero!
Blah-blah-blah-blah!
You have not addressed any thing. No explanation for evolution from non human to human to date.

Yes, I can see that you're incapable of addressing the content of anyone's posts which is why you only dismiss them out of hand. Such intellectual dishonesty is expected from fundies like yourself.

[The Dude]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Show me your evidence, how non humans evolved into human form?
Be clear in your explanation, because i have not gotten a sincere answer from any one.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T5V...

Keep in mind that your incredulity, denial and complete and total lack of evidence doth not an argument make.

Also keep in mind that that first linky has been unaddressed for nearly a year.

And that evolution has not been debunked by you fundies for nearly 150 years.

Funny how life goes, eh?

[The Dude]

bohart wrote:

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Lord! this coming from the master of lame! your tired worn out routine of, fundie, creatard, liar, godunit,dumb, uneducated, etc,etc,The only Guinness I want is in a glass, oh believer in the slime.

You claim I am lame, however of the two of us, only I can demonstrate my position. Funny how life works, eh?

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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So any religious cult is called a religious cult, because its based on religious idea...but a science cult that is based on scientific ideas is called what?....whatever you want to call it? It's a science cult plain and simple. You can't change the standard just because you don't like the implications.

There are no cults based on scientific ideas. If they were scientific ideas they would not be cults. They are therefore simply referred to as cults, whether they be religious or not.

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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I still have not seen proof of any religiosity in the animal kingdom...like I said before,it virtually exist in all human cultures....so it should be easy to prove in evolutionary terms, if that be the case.
I'm not really buying this "animals can't communicate in abstract ideas..."
It should be readily apparent in nature, If this be the case.

I correct myself from my earlier posts, in that animals may be capable of abstract communication, but they are unable to communicate *complex* abstract ideas. There is an gorilla for example who has learned sign language, whether or not it's learned enough to grasp the concept of theism I don't know. But unfortunately it can't communicate it to other apes. But like I said, the concept of religion is explained in evolutionary terms as an extension of altruism, and it developed further from there.

It may be that in the future other species may develop the concept also. Only time will tell. Of course we don't know that dolphins and whales have not done so already. We're just not smart enough to understand their language.

[drink The hive]

The BS Cycle Of Evolution...

https://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IUYlNU10BMY/Si4hkuW...

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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Yea, but these are elephants...such "rituals" would surely be more predominant in the great ape species...but I have heard of none at all.

They ARE more predominant in the great ape species.

Specifically, humans.

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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as far as I can see, it's just a fancy word for religiousness.
It seems science is trying to find out if it's some sort of chemical in the brain, so the pharmaceuticals companies can come up with a drug that counter acts its effects...lol

ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry. Just not a specific bunch of chemicals.

Don't think you need to worry about any "atheist antibiotics" any time soon at any rate.

[Tinka]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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how so?...do you recycle?(lol)

Not sure how it is all that funny but ok, yeah try to recycle I suppose as much as one can sometimes I feel like f it, dump it into the trash...

Energy what about that if it is misused...

Or not used properly...

[Tinka]

The Dude wrote:

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You claim I am lame, however of the two of us, only I can demonstrate my position. Funny how life works, eh?

Demonstrate like a bit of it such as in a Demo...

Here though everyone can demonstratively place you in your position as well..so what's up with that...LIFE, as is to you may be what it is made up of...and you have nothing to say in it no part, then your place having demonstrated well nice to meet you in any case...

Maybe I don't know you no just kidding nice to meet you I can turn grumpy lately these days especially on the net...

Where do we put feelings in sense with it do many still put their feelings to their senses?

[Tinka]

The Dude wrote:

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ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry. Just not a specific bunch of chemicals.
Don't think you need to worry about any "atheist antibiotics" any time soon at any rate.

How do you know that to what chemicals not a specific kind sort...

So what is this Christian talk having to cover one's self from that which believes in no outer world per say?

They most believe don't they that no force greater than shall be overpowering to what creation is or is not what matters that we are...

[God Himself]

The Dude wrote:

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All humans are born with 125 to 175 mutations. Hominid fossils display clear evolutionary progression over the past 7 million years. Our closest modern cousins are chimps who share 98% of our DNA. Taking a look at fossil hominids over the past 7m years we observe that they start off with stooped posture, jutting out facial features and smaller craniums. As we observe the fossil record going further up the geological strata (forwards in time) we see a gradual reduction in facial features, more upright posture and an increase in cranial capacity. Meaning the characteristics become increasingly more similar to humans, just as evolution predicts.
As Darwin himself said at the time (which fundies love to point out) the fossil record at the time did not support the idea of hominid evolution and common ancestry. But since then the fossil record has vindicated his predictions:
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Paranthropus aethiopicus
Paranthropus boisei
Paranthropus robustus
Homo habilis
Homo rudolfensis
Homo ergaster
Homo erectus
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens
(list originally provided by Gillette on this thread here)
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Here we have some more data on the cranial capacity of fossil hominids confirming all the above:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/09/f...
And some more information on fossil hominids over the past few million years:
http://darwiniana.org/hominid.htm
Calculations based on DNA mutation rates indicates common ancestry between humans and chimps approximately 6 million years ago. This again is consistent with the evolutionary progression in the fossil record, as demonstrated above. However even without the fossil record, using our DNA alone would still make common ancestry the only plausible scientific explanation for observed biological phenomena.
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The creationist explanation?
Evolution is just a big evil worldwide evolutionist Darwinist atheist conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of scientists, numerous governments across the world, including all major scientific organisations, as well as all the Liberal activist courts. Because Goddidit with magic (without evolution no way no how) because the Bible is true cuz the Bible sez so amen.

What causes evolution by the way?

[The Dude]

God Himself wrote:

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What causes evolution by the way?

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

[Adam and Steve]

The Dude wrote:

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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

2 questions: 1) Are humans alone in the universe or is there an advanced race out there. 2) Is the God/Jesus story true or a fable?