Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Cybele wrote:
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So you think we're alone in the universe? That life only exists on this planet?
Apparently God loves creating life..
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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wow... so any show I see on tv about evolution, is for entertainment purposes only. Will keep that in mind.TY
Since it's for the common laypeople, yeah. That's why they can sometimes make mistakes (the Walking With Dinosaurs one being an example where they portray an ancient crab as a land-dwelling animal rather than aquatic - later evidence showed otherwise). In the end, what really matters in science is scientific research. Not TV shows.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Scientist are humans, and the saying goes, to err is human.
The best answer is faith. No one can really find that evidence except God.
Go on with your fruitless quest.
Faith isn't an answer. It may be fine on a personal philosophical level, but beyond that can be considered BS. Muslims have faith yet you would dispute their answers DESPITE the fact you just said that they have the best approach.

Of course if scientists really COULDN'T find that evidence and were working as fruitlessly as you claim, you wouldn't even be able to type on that computer you're on right now.

Never let it be said that fundies aren't monumentally massive hypocrites.
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Apparently God loves creating life..
And killing it.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
All you have done is redefined aspects of reproduction to suit evolution theory.
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<quoted text>... it's pointing out that "reproduction provides variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, BECAUSE these are observed. Ergo we will end up with evolution".
See what I'm saying.

It is an undeniable fact that "reproduction provides variation, differential reproduction, and heredity"

But that those elements contribute to a general "evolution", is your contribution to the observations of aspects of reproduction.

Its as if you see two motor tires lying on the ground and conclude that they are put there by the same person.

Now, while such a conclusion is plausible, events could have transpired differently than the way you concluded that they did.

You bear a burden of proof somewhat, because YOU CANNOT SAY THAT EVOLUTION OCCURRED UNTIL YOU CAN SAY THAT IT WAS NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURRED.
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... The fact is is changes accumulate over time (and they do) we will eventually get something that is very different than was there a long time ago.
Your head must have been spinning when you wrote that because it is nothing more than circular reasoning.

Change is the resulting of something different over time; so how is it that you start out with "change" and arrive at the definition of change as the change?

It is as if you said "change is changing".
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The mechanisms are not in dispute, not even by other creationists (hence the love of YECism).
There is never any need to dispute anything.

We hold that God is Omnipotent, having all potentials; so we can fit whatever you say into the set of things done by God.*shrug*
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But not only are the mechanisms not in dispute, but neither is the evidence I provided you with yesterday, which unequivocally demonstrates evolution via common descent.
There is no need for us religitards to dispute evidence either.

However, there is always a need to question the TREATMENT OF EVIDENCE.

The observer always contributes to what is observed; or didnt you hear?
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... But the ONLY disputes in the scientific community is NOT whether or not evolution actually occurred, but HOW it occurred.
All thats happening here is that you are asking how it occurred SPONTANEOUSLY while I am asking how GOD-DID-IT.

But interestingly, the involvement of an agent is superfluous to the study of a thing created by that agent.

So I can accept scientific fact without ceasing to believe in God.

However, your whole world falls apart even if you as much as think for a second that God may be real and existent.

I find that interesting.
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...There has been no genuine dispute over the validity of evolution since the discovery of DNA back in the 1950's at the very latest.
Fools seldom differ in opinions.*shrug*
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The fact there are incredulous people with no science education object to science has no bearing on the scientific validity of scientific theories.
But its more disturbing that people with science education can be so stupid.

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So the fundies claim. Of course there's no historical basis for that. Funny how Jesus was running around performing all manner of impressive magic and not one single Roman bothered to even take notice until a minimum of 100 years after his alleged death. Hence why there's not a single contemporary account of Jesus.
Not that this matters in the slightest to you, since you outright blatantly LIED the last time you brought up the idea of Roman historians supporting Jesus.(shrug)
But of course, they were unbelievers like you.They cared more about killing, and pleasures of the flesh than spiritual matters.

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Which is why they invented the scientific method and peer-review. By no means perfect, but so far no-one else has come up with a better method.
Oh, and God is undemonstrated. Therefore you can preach and proclaim as much as you like, and all we need do is say "Show us the evidence!"
You haven't once in all the time you've been here.
You have no evidence either.
Who are the reviewers? are they not humans?
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You're lying (again). You've respected no-one. As you are constantly dishonest and are incapable of addressing scientific evidence in a scientific manner. Denial is all you have.
You are not Bill( Thewordofme) are you?
We respect each others views and integrity, despite our differences.
You are wrong again.

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You're lying (again). You've respected no-one. As you are constantly dishonest and are incapable of addressing scientific evidence in a scientific manner. Denial is all you have.
Again, is scientific method man made, yes or no?
If yes, it is not all that reliable.
Denial is all you have.(Shrug).

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But of course, they were unbelievers like you.They cared more about killing, and pleasures of the flesh than spiritual matters.
In fact what does this thread always deteriorate to, time and time again...

the subject of killing and homosexuality.

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Yeah, don't be a skeptic! Just accept any old BS that Chuck comes up with!
What ever!
You have no idea of reality, you " evotards"( retarded evos)...

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You sound a lot like Adolf Hitler did. We should be watching your kind more closely.
Likewise.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
God Himself wrote:
All you have done is redefined aspects of reproduction to suit evolution theory.
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See what I'm saying.
It is an undeniable fact that "reproduction provides variation, differential reproduction, and heredity"
But that those elements contribute to a general "evolution", is your contribution to the observations of aspects of reproduction.
Its as if you see two motor tires lying on the ground and conclude that they are put there by the same person.
Now, while such a conclusion is plausible, events could have transpired differently than the way you concluded that they did.
You bear a burden of proof somewhat, because YOU CANNOT SAY THAT EVOLUTION OCCURRED UNTIL YOU CAN SAY THAT IT WAS NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURRED.
We don't have to falsify other possibilities that have either not been proposed or have no evidence.

So what's your alternative explanation for orthologous ERV's in great apes?
God Himself wrote:
Your head must have been spinning when you wrote that because it is nothing more than circular reasoning.
Change is the resulting of something different over time; so how is it that you start out with "change" and arrive at the definition of change as the change?
It is as if you said "change is changing".
Change means something becomes something slightly different. You really need a definition of such a simple word as "change"?
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There is never any need to dispute anything.
We hold that God is Omnipotent, having all potentials; so we can fit whatever you say into the set of things done by God.
Bingo. Meaning evidence is irrelevant. Evolution happened? Goddidit. Didn't happen? Goddidit. Evidence of God? Zip.

Your baseless religious opinions are irrelevant.
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There is no need for us religitards to dispute evidence either.
However, there is always a need to question the TREATMENT OF EVIDENCE.
The observer always contributes to what is observed; or didnt you hear?
Yet we can test it. For example we can all pretty much agree on the colour "red", unless one happens to be colour-blind (also testable).
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All thats happening here is that you are asking how it occurred SPONTANEOUSLY while I am asking how GOD-DID-IT.
But interestingly, the involvement of an agent is superfluous to the study of a thing created by that agent.
No, I am explaining how it occurred. "God" is irrelevant to science, period. Unless you have scientific evidence.
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So I can accept scientific fact without ceasing to believe in God.
If that were the case you'd be a theistic evolutionist.
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However, your whole world falls apart even if you as much as think for a second that God may be real and existent.
I find that interesting.
You mistake me for an atheist making a positive case for atheism. I don't care. Science doesn't care. I'm quite open to the possibility. I just have different ideas about such an entity as you do.
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Fools seldom differ in opinions.*shrug*
I agree you have no coherent argument so instead have to rely on ad-hom.
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But its more disturbing that people with science education can be so stupid.
Indeed. Even some YEC's are scientists. Not that they can scientifically support their religious beliefs.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
I also note your use of "religitard", as if that's my opinion of theists. It never has been.

Don't mistake criticism of fundies for criticism of theists. Fundies do that because they enjoy playing the martyr complex (just ask Chuck).
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But of course, they were unbelievers like you.They cared more about killing, and pleasures of the flesh than spiritual matters.
No, they were believers. And they still enjoyed those things even AFTER Rome became Christian.

Twice.

Me on the other hand, I find killing distasteful. Nice try at ad-hom though.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You have no evidence either.
Who are the reviewers? are they not humans?
Damn!
Humans are all we have to review. Your god is undemonstrated.

Besides, to err is to human. You could be wrong about God. You will never accept that because of your own hubris.
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are not Bill( Thewordofme) are you?
We respect each others views and integrity, despite our differences.
You are wrong again.
If you respected them you wouldn't be so dishonest. I'll be honest and come right out and say that I don't respect fundies, for that very reason.

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And killing it.
"God giveth and taketh away"

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Again, is scientific method man made, yes or no?
If yes, it is not all that reliable.
Denial is all you have.(Shrug).
Your computer seems quite reliable so far.(shrug)

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The Dude wrote:
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So the fundies claim. Of course there's no historical basis for that. Funny how Jesus was running around performing all manner of impressive magic and not one single Roman bothered to even take notice until a minimum of 100 years after his alleged death. Hence why there's not a single contemporary account of Jesus.
Not that this matters in the slightest to you, since you outright blatantly LIED the last time you brought up the idea of Roman historians supporting Jesus.(shrug)
Liar!
This was a Jewish conspiracy, but nothing can ever be hidden under the sun.
Pliny the younger, Tacitus, etc, talked about Christ and Christians. They let the cats out of the bags.

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