Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72300 Jan 26, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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For someone who cannot even see a simple pun as soul/sole...lol...no wonder you can't see an inch past your own dogma.lol
I admit, I spotted it after I posted it. Never mind.

:-/
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72301 Jan 26, 2013
God Himself wrote:
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Do you now see the implications of your idea that "ALL concepts are the result of brain chemistry" (or something to that effect)?
Yes.

Always have.

Gravity is a real phenomena. Our THEORIES about gravity exist ONLY as brain-states. They MAY or MAY NOT be correct. What science TRIES to achieve is to come up with the most accurate theory (also called scientific models) that fits with observed phenomena. And those theories are kept or disregarded based upon testing.

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#72302 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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History Channel can do some good stuff. But sometimes they also do "documentaries" on UFO's and "ancient aliens".
They are after all about making money, just like any other TV channel.
So you think we're alone in the universe? That life only exists on this planet?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72303 Jan 26, 2013
Fpro wrote:
If this leads into proposition that the universe is too orderly/perfect/beautiful/etc. that there had to be a greater intelligence at work in it's creation, the I have to ask this in return. If God was behind the creation of the universe and that explains everything.....who then created God. If you reply he always was, He wasn't created, then why is it not possible following the same logic that the universe was always, and didn't require a creator.
By claiming God created everything, you just push the question up a notch.Who created God?
Bingo. The universe could have had eternal antecedents which have nothing to do with (a) God. Or, if God requires no cause like the theists claim, then the universe doesn't have to either.

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#72304 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Therefore he killed them on purpose. Meaning your claim "He didn't mean to kill anybody!" was complete bullshite.(shrug)
You are indeed a sceptic. Go through the bible and find out why God took the life of those abominable people and nations.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72305 Jan 26, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Actually the denial of the existence of the Christ, was preceded by the "Jesus is gay" campaign...(along with others)well that one didn't work out so well, so the tactics where changed.
It's an ideological propaganda war to attack Christianity.
In other words it a religious war plain and simple.
Or it could simply be an objective examination of the evidence.(shrug)

There MAY have been a priest or preacher whom the stories of Jesus were based on. But that doesn't necessarily mean he was the magical offspring of an invisible Jewish wizard. But it's ALSO possible that Jesus was simply just another theistic invention, just as in the same way you consider the Mighty Thor to be a made up story by the Vikings.

Funny how when critical thinking is applied to your *baseless* religious opinions you see it as an "attack", but your anti-reality criticism of science you see as mere "scientific skepticism".

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#72306 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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I HAVE addressed it. You've never addressed mine.
Don't worry, neither has any other fundie.(shrug)
Likewise.
You have addressed none. It was just only an assertion that is subject to wild guessing.
Guessing, projections, exaggerations and manipulations, etc, can never be facts.

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#72307 Jan 26, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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A science show is not a lecture, it's aim is to entertain like all shows.
wow... so any show I see on tv about evolution, is for entertainment purposes only. Will keep that in mind.TY

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#72308 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Which is why they invented the scientific method and peer-review. By no means perfect, but so far no-one else has come up with a better method.
Oh, and God is undemonstrated. Therefore you can preach and proclaim as much as you like, and all we need do is say "Show us the evidence!"
You haven't once in all the time you've been here.
Scientist are humans, and the saying goes, to err is human.
The best answer is faith. No one can really find that evidence except God.
Go on with your fruitless quest.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72309 Jan 26, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So you think we're alone in the universe? That life only exists on this planet?
Way too early to tell yet. But if life exists here, there's no reason why it can't anywhere else. God or no.

I mean, what - God made this entire universe just for us even though we can barely get past our own solar system? Surely the guy must have played around making other lifeforms on other planets elsewhere too, right? Otherwise He could have stopped once he made the Milky Way.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72310 Jan 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are indeed a sceptic. Go through the bible and find out why God took the life of those abominable people and nations.
I did. Your god's an ahole.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72311 Jan 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Likewise.
You have addressed none. It was just only an assertion that is subject to wild guessing.
Guessing, projections, exaggerations and manipulations, etc, can never be facts.
No wild guesses. Hence they pass scientific testing.

Hence why you are incapable of going through it piece by piece and objectively showing to everyone here why it's wrong in a scientific manner.

Poor boy.

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#72313 Jan 26, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So you think we're alone in the universe? That life only exists on this planet?
Apparently God loves creating life..
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72314 Jan 26, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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wow... so any show I see on tv about evolution, is for entertainment purposes only. Will keep that in mind.TY
Since it's for the common laypeople, yeah. That's why they can sometimes make mistakes (the Walking With Dinosaurs one being an example where they portray an ancient crab as a land-dwelling animal rather than aquatic - later evidence showed otherwise). In the end, what really matters in science is scientific research. Not TV shows.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72315 Jan 26, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Scientist are humans, and the saying goes, to err is human.
The best answer is faith. No one can really find that evidence except God.
Go on with your fruitless quest.
Faith isn't an answer. It may be fine on a personal philosophical level, but beyond that can be considered BS. Muslims have faith yet you would dispute their answers DESPITE the fact you just said that they have the best approach.

Of course if scientists really COULDN'T find that evidence and were working as fruitlessly as you claim, you wouldn't even be able to type on that computer you're on right now.

Never let it be said that fundies aren't monumentally massive hypocrites.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#72316 Jan 26, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Apparently God loves creating life..
And killing it.
God Himself

Kingston, Jamaica

#72317 Jan 26, 2013
All you have done is redefined aspects of reproduction to suit evolution theory.
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>... it's pointing out that "reproduction provides variation, differential reproduction, and heredity, BECAUSE these are observed. Ergo we will end up with evolution".
See what I'm saying.

It is an undeniable fact that "reproduction provides variation, differential reproduction, and heredity"

But that those elements contribute to a general "evolution", is your contribution to the observations of aspects of reproduction.

Its as if you see two motor tires lying on the ground and conclude that they are put there by the same person.

Now, while such a conclusion is plausible, events could have transpired differently than the way you concluded that they did.

You bear a burden of proof somewhat, because YOU CANNOT SAY THAT EVOLUTION OCCURRED UNTIL YOU CAN SAY THAT IT WAS NOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT OCCURRED.
The Dude wrote:
... The fact is is changes accumulate over time (and they do) we will eventually get something that is very different than was there a long time ago.
Your head must have been spinning when you wrote that because it is nothing more than circular reasoning.

Change is the resulting of something different over time; so how is it that you start out with "change" and arrive at the definition of change as the change?

It is as if you said "change is changing".
The Dude wrote:
The mechanisms are not in dispute, not even by other creationists (hence the love of YECism).
There is never any need to dispute anything.

We hold that God is Omnipotent, having all potentials; so we can fit whatever you say into the set of things done by God.*shrug*
The Dude wrote:
But not only are the mechanisms not in dispute, but neither is the evidence I provided you with yesterday, which unequivocally demonstrates evolution via common descent.
There is no need for us religitards to dispute evidence either.

However, there is always a need to question the TREATMENT OF EVIDENCE.

The observer always contributes to what is observed; or didnt you hear?
The Dude wrote:
... But the ONLY disputes in the scientific community is NOT whether or not evolution actually occurred, but HOW it occurred.
All thats happening here is that you are asking how it occurred SPONTANEOUSLY while I am asking how GOD-DID-IT.

But interestingly, the involvement of an agent is superfluous to the study of a thing created by that agent.

So I can accept scientific fact without ceasing to believe in God.

However, your whole world falls apart even if you as much as think for a second that God may be real and existent.

I find that interesting.
The Dude wrote:
...There has been no genuine dispute over the validity of evolution since the discovery of DNA back in the 1950's at the very latest.
Fools seldom differ in opinions.*shrug*
The Dude wrote:
The fact there are incredulous people with no science education object to science has no bearing on the scientific validity of scientific theories.
But its more disturbing that people with science education can be so stupid.

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#72318 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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So the fundies claim. Of course there's no historical basis for that. Funny how Jesus was running around performing all manner of impressive magic and not one single Roman bothered to even take notice until a minimum of 100 years after his alleged death. Hence why there's not a single contemporary account of Jesus.
Not that this matters in the slightest to you, since you outright blatantly LIED the last time you brought up the idea of Roman historians supporting Jesus.(shrug)
But of course, they were unbelievers like you.They cared more about killing, and pleasures of the flesh than spiritual matters.

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#72319 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Which is why they invented the scientific method and peer-review. By no means perfect, but so far no-one else has come up with a better method.
Oh, and God is undemonstrated. Therefore you can preach and proclaim as much as you like, and all we need do is say "Show us the evidence!"
You haven't once in all the time you've been here.
You have no evidence either.
Who are the reviewers? are they not humans?
Damn!

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#72320 Jan 26, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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You're lying (again). You've respected no-one. As you are constantly dishonest and are incapable of addressing scientific evidence in a scientific manner. Denial is all you have.
You are not Bill( Thewordofme) are you?
We respect each others views and integrity, despite our differences.
You are wrong again.

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