Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

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RappinRollerCoaster wrote:
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Okay we'll that's my belief so if you wanna go against and try to prove me wrong, is there something wrong with Christian music?
You mean Christian hymns? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing music? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing rock music? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing Christian Rock? That came from the depths of hell.
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neutral observer wrote:
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?????
From the orbit of electrons to the orbit of clusters of galaxies the universe follows certain basic laws. The complexity of our DNA is not due to our observation of it. There is an ordered intelligence in everything around us.
There is an intelligence to the universe whether anyone intelligent is observing it or not.
Physicists only study the process... they do not make it so.
The arrogance to suggest there is order in the universe because we are here to record it.
You think... therefor the universe is?
No, quite the opposite. The universe merely follows physical constants. That does not mean it's intelligently ordered. Intelligence came later after life developed.
The Dude

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Langoliers wrote:
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Yes with Adams sin he brought Sin and death into the world. Before Adams sin nothing died. There was no death in the world.
Boy is he having a hissy fit or what.
Please provide objective scientific testable evidence of your claims. Thanks in advance for not being able to do that.

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God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that place prepared for the devil and his angels, this is why he sent his Son into the world. Choose this day who you will serve and if you follow Jesus he has promised that he has a place for you and you can live forever and never worry again.
Wow, you produced some wonderful mental gymnastics there!

Let's see...God Creates hell, but He "is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that place prepared for the devil and his angels..."

Clearly, the Christian deity is quite willing - after all, He Created hell in your mythology. If He was not willing to send His Creations to hell, God would:

1. Not Create people to go to hell (i.e., not Create me, sinners or Hitler)
2. Not Create hell for people (just reserve it to bad, bad Lucifer and his Charle's...sorry...fallen angels).

So don't patronize us with your Orwellian myths, sir. We're just not that stupid. Quite clearly, your religion works on fear, feeds on fear. You require people to be scared of their afterlife so that they follow the tenets of your mythology...all the while pretending that your deity is "loving" and "good."

Well, you're either outright lying, brainwashed, or just not capable of logic and reason.

Alternatively, perhaps you just don't understand the concept of "not willing."
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Then your karma will haunt you or your politics will point out your lack of candor.....or both. Train wrecks are our spec-ee-ality!
Well you're welcome to your opinion. I tend to be VERY candid though when I respond to fundies in case you hadn't noticed.

That's why most of them don't like me very much.

:-)

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I can see that you always shut your brain when thinking or posting.
Am i the only one talking about Homosexuality?
Well, I disproved each and every illogical point you brought up. Basically, you're a bigot and deeply fearful.

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Langoliers wrote:
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Posted earlier by derek4
Last words of famous atheists:
Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."
Thomas Hobbs political philosopher "I say again, if I had the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark."
I am prepared to die, despite that there is no afterlife.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting!
You are really blind. What is Homosexuality?
Is it ideal for a man/woman and another man/woman of the same sex to be lovers?
Think!
See? You have no basis but for your own hatred and perhaps self-loathing.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Then you have no clue.
Can't answer a straight up question?

You are a coward.

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, And the Bible said it is an abomination which God destroyed places for. Great calamity may befall a nation which promotes it.
Ah, more illogic.

First, you believe that your deity Creates everything - purposefully.

Second, you believe your deity is all loving.

Third, you believe your deity destroyed entire cities of people He Loved and Created.

Hello...? Illogic much?
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Don't limit that to Christians alone, every faiths and unbelievers are guilty of that.
I wasn't limiting it to Christians in particular at all, I was speaking specifically of fundies such as yourself.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> No repitition. What is bad is bad.
No fallacy...
Coward, you are not the arbiter of what is and is not moral.

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The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>You mean Christian hymns? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing music? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing rock music? Not at all.

You mean Christians doing Christian Rock? That came from the depths of hell.
I'm slightly confused here, what's the difference between Christian rock and Christians doing rock?
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The full statement was...
All things are evident unto themselves...only man requires evidence.
It's a philosophical concept...you wouldn't understand.
It's not necessary to understand philosophy. Philosophy is fine on a personal level, but can be considered complete bollox if anyone claims it should apply to others. It is after all nothing more than subjective mental mastrubation.(shrug)

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>It is real and the facts are to be found.......
To have facts you need evidence of those facts

I am sorry but personal belief does not count as evidence or as fact

How would it be if when you complained to your boss that he had not paid your wages he said “I believe I have so that’s good enough for me and everyone should believe that belief”
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I'm slightly confused here, what's the difference between Christian rock and Christians doing rock?
For instance if I use Evanescance as an example (nobody slam me here, just using them cuz I happen to know they are Christian), but few would say their music would be "Christian rock".

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Homosexuality in all its entirety is wrong, no matter how you paint it...
You are wrong no matter how your paint yourself

You personal indoctrinated hatreds and unthinking worship of a genocidal child murdering apologist for rape and slavery has nothing to do with reality
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The Dude wrote:
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Well you're welcome to your opinion. I tend to be VERY candid though when I respond to fundies in case you hadn't noticed.
That's why most of them don't like me very much.
:-)
Candid? No! No! No! I think not!

What goes on here is cat/dog fights. Candid is when you play both sides without even thinking about it. It ticks them off so much more when you ignore the pecking order AND are entirely tuned out and oblivious to their base fears. Sooner or later, they'll be slapping the ground like Donkey Kong and whizzing on the bushes as if this is all their turf. All you're doing is playing "Pop goes the Weasel".

There's a fine art to candor that goes beyond annoying "the other guys!" Do you see people claiming to be science professionals posting comments sounding like "Duh!" and "Burn the witch!" That is the result of TRUE candor!

These are not the droids you're looking for! ;-)
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Candid? No! No! No! I think not!
What goes on here is cat/dog fights. Candid is when you play both sides without even thinking about it. It ticks them off so much more when you ignore the pecking order AND are entirely tuned out and oblivious to their base fears. Sooner or later, they'll be slapping the ground like Donkey Kong and whizzing on the bushes as if this is all their turf. All you're doing is playing "Pop goes the Weasel".
There's a fine art to candor that goes beyond annoying "the other guys!" Do you see people claiming to be science professionals posting comments sounding like "Duh!" and "Burn the witch!" That is the result of TRUE candor!
These are not the droids you're looking for! ;-)
Like I said, you're welcome to your opinions. I realise it can often seem like mindless back and forth, and often that's what it is. But that's because our opposition is simply uneducated, and unwilling to learn. Not much we can do about that.(shrug)

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The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>For instance if I use Evanescance as an example (nobody slam me here, just using them cuz I happen to know they are Christian), but few would say their music would be "Christian rock".
Skillet would be considered as Christian rock, Red, and Kutless. Then there's Christian hip hop and pop like lecrae and Toby Mac and Jeremy camp.

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