Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#71887 Jan 23, 2013
I find a good representation of faith in William Blake - Auguries of Innocence...

If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.
To be in a passion you good may do,
But no good if a passion is in you.
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Kansas City, MO

#71888 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think I am redefining Th word "image" when it very well could mean reflection? The Creator of the universe made man in his own image and likeness and if Adam and Eve had not disobeyed his word to them, I believe they could have lived forever.
Ok, its time to stop living in the past......He walked on water...than he was crucified.......nice fable. FS wrote, "The creator of the universe......." Wake up people....The creators, these so called Gods you ramble about are in fact advanced deep space aliens that made the primitive human animal believe in a Bible story they could comprehend. They are in fact the creators of all life on this little rock......the blue petri dish. They do live among the earthlings. They do manipulate the human world. Evidence? Not on this earth. Humans that do welcome contact just do not understand alien intelligence. They only let humans glimpse their world, lights in the sky, an object at a distance, mind control, abductions....aliens live in another demension with different waves and fre.and any human with the God seed planted on the brain is clueless.That's crazy they say. An advanced alien race from another solar system that made humanoids and all life on the rock......absurd they say........Peace!REmember, to many galaxies to oount.....come on people. Who made God? Mom amd dad God?

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#71889 Jan 23, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
What is the point in burning in hell forever if you are not alive and conscious?
You would be conscious.

“what we think we become”

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#71891 Jan 23, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
I find a good representation of faith in William Blake - Auguries of Innocence...
If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.
To be in a passion you good may do,
But no good if a passion is in you.
The last two lines a bit unclear ;)

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#71892 Jan 23, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>I see the story of Adam and Eve as an symbolic representation of losing faith in God. The sin here is doubt...and once doubt comes into play, true faith is lost. And without faith, there can be no spiritual connection to God.

That's just my personal interpretation...
Well you'll note that Through out the Bible it is known as Adams sin while Eve was tricked my Satan, Adam knew God had told him not to eat of the fruit of that tree but when Eve handed the fruit to Adam he ate of it knowing full well he was told not to straight from God and was warned the if he did eat the fruit he would die.

I look at this as Adam choose to eat in order to stay with Eve. I believe it was a love issue. Just my thought.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#71893 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that place prepared for the devil and his angels, this is why he sent his Son into the world. Choose this day who you will serve and if you follow Jesus he has promised that he has a place for you and you can live forever and never worry again.
With no Adam and Eve to blame 'Original Sin' on, what use is there for Jesus?

Jason Rosenhouse over at EvolutionBlog details some of the theological twists and turns some religious writers are going through trying to explain a religious world with no Adam and Eve to blame original sin on.

“One of the many problems modern science poses for Christianity is the question of how to understand original sin. The traditional teaching, which holds that Adam and Eve were the only humans on the planet when they were created on day six of Creation Week, that the ground was cursed and they were expelled from Eden as a result of a specific sin they committed, and that this corrupted state was in some way passed down to all future human beings, is no longer tenable. 

A variety of lines of evidence make it clear that the human population has always numbered in the thousands and certainly never dipped down to two. Moreover, evolution makes clear that humans arose through eons of natural selection. There was no moment of creation, and there was no state of primordial perfection for them to sully.”  Jason Rosenhouse PhD, EvolutionBlog. 
Full post:
http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2011/09...
 

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#71894 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
You would be conscious.
Good thing there is no such thing as Hell. Iron age Bullsh!t

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#71895 Jan 23, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
I find a good representation of faith in William Blake - Auguries of Innocence...
If the sun and moon should doubt,
They'd immediately go out.
To be in a passion you good may do,
But no good if a passion is in you.
here's what I wrote a few years ago...

Paradox

Life is a paradox.
Was it creation
Was it evolution
that started all there is?

Knowledge is death of faith
to soul-less disparate minds
meandering through life’s journey
without much certainty.

When all is faced
with the last breath,
God ain’t dead
to put them
out of fire and brimstone.

Life is a paradox...
and I have to deal
with the unknown.

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Taizhou, China

#71896 Jan 23, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
It would seem that if we were so closely related as implied by the evolution theory, then religiosity would be readily apparent in the animal kingdom. I cannot even think of one example...can you?

There is some question about whether or not other animals have religion.
Some monogamous species hold something like wedding ceremonies.
I forgot where I read this, but elephants hold burial ceremonies for the dead.
(I don't see how anyone could bury an elephant, but apparently it's possible.)
We don't know how much of it is a ritual and how much of it is a sanitary precaution, but it looks like at least some of it is a ritual.
What's more, they hold these sessions in the evening, with all the participants facing toward the setting sun.

So it seems that symbolism is not an exclusive property of humans, either.

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#71897 Jan 23, 2013
MikeF wrote:
<quoted text>
Research, numbnuts:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/715...
<quoted text>
BFD
Do your research, Numbnut!
Gideons international and other christian charitable organisations, do give free bibles globally.

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#71898 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Do your research, Numbnut!
Gideons international and other christian charitable organisations, do give free bibles globally.
He was not disagreeing with you fool. If you understood basic English you would have seen that.

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#71899 Jan 23, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
According to the Bible everyone gets eternal life.
I'm not sure.
Do sinful Evolutionists like me burn forever in Hell?
Or do we get liquidated in Hell?
In Revelation 20:14, an angel casts Satan and all his cronies into a lake of fire.
But Matthew 10:28 says, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Or does the Bible merely contradict itself?

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#71900 Jan 23, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Just admit it. You simply lack human sex-attractant pheromones. lol
You must be a ghost or spirit for saying that. Irony!!!
Why are you un-attractive?

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#71901 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
God is not willing that anyone should perish and go to that place prepared for the devil and his angels.
Then who's forcing him?
Isn't he all-powerful?

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#71902 Jan 23, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Genocide is wrong no matter how you paint it. But you call it things like "God's love" and "justice".
That's because fundies like yourself are incapable of genuine morality.
Don't limit that to Christians alone, every faiths and unbelievers are guilty of that.

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#71903 Jan 23, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
And your basis for that is...?
You want me to read between the lines? Ok...on an evolution versus creation forum, you constantly talk about homosexuality. I'm guessing your obsessed. Not sure why...let's read between the lines on this one and guess that homosexuality touches you deeply in some manner.
I can see that you always shut your brain when thinking or posting.
Am i the only one talking about Homosexuality?

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#71904 Jan 23, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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He was not disagreeing with you fool. If you understood basic English you would have seen that.
Then you must be a big fool for understanding and replying some one that you claimed, that don't understand basic English.

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#71905 Jan 23, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>here's what I wrote a few years ago...

Paradox

Life is a paradox.
Was it creation
Was it evolution
that started all there is?

Knowledge is death of faith
to soul-less disparate minds
meandering through lifeÂ’s journey
without much certainty.

When all is faced
with the last breath,
God ainÂ’t dead
to put them
out of fire and brimstone.

Life is a paradox...
and I have to deal
with the unknown.
Posted earlier by derek4

Last words of famous atheists:

Caesar Borgia: "While I lived, I provided for everything but death; now I must die, and am unprepared to die."

Thomas Hobbs political philosopher "I say again, if I had the whole world at my disposal, I would give it to live one day. I am about to take a leap into the dark."

Thomas Payne the leading atheistic writer in American colonies: "Stay with me, for God's sake; I cannot bear to be left alone , O Lord, help me! O God, what have I done to suffer so much? What will become of me hereafter? "I would give worlds if I had them, that The Age of Reason had never been published. 0 Lord, help me! Christ, help me!Â…No, don't leave; stay with me! Send even a child to stay with me; for I am on the edge of Hell here alone. If ever the Devil had an agent, I have been that one."

Sir Thomas Scott, Chancellor of England "Until this moment I thought there was neither a God nor a hell. Now I know and feel that there are both, and I am doomed to perdition by the just judgment of the Almighty."

David Hume, atheist philosopher famous for his philosophy of empiricism and skepticism of religion, he cried loud on his death bed "I am in flames!" It is said his "desperation was a horrible scene".

Napoleon Bonaparte, the French emperor, and who, like Adolf Hitler, brought death to millions to satisfy his greedy, power-mad, selfish ambitions for world conquest: "I die before my time, and my body will be given back to the earth. Such is the fate of him who has been called the great Napoleon. What an abyss between my deep misery and the eternal kingdom of Christ!”

Sir Francis Newport, the head of an English Atheist club to those gathered around his deathbed: "You need not tell me there is no God for I know there is one, and that I am in His presence! You need not tell me there is no hell. I feel myself already slipping. Wretches, cease your idle talk about there being hope for me! I know I am lost forever! Oh, that fire! Oh, the insufferable pangs of hell!…Oh, that I could lie for a thousand years upon the fire that is never quenched, to purchase the favor of God and be united to Him again. But it is a fruitless wish. Millions and millions of years will bring me no nearer the end of my torments than one poor hour. Oh, eternity, eternity forever and forever!, Oh, the insufferable pangs of Hell!”

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#71906 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Then you must be a big fool for understanding and replying some one that you claimed, that don't understand basic English.
I am ever the optimist. I believe that even the biggest idiot can learn if he really puts his mind to it.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#71907 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Don't hate the word, " truth " .
A child will always follow the right morals if he or she is given the right training or upbringing.
To you the "right training," you like treating humans like dogs huh, is only what you say it is. That's why you're inherently wrong.

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