Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71780 Jan 23, 2013
RappinRollerCoaster wrote:
Creation all the way, and hip hop.
Hip hop? Just when ya thought creationism couldn't get any worse!

Thought it was bad enough when they started doing Christian rock.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71781 Jan 23, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Tombs.
For the priest of the alters......

“Is that all you've got?”

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#71782 Jan 23, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we are talking about Evolution vs. Creation.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm the only person who has had the sense to challenge the liberal advocates who suggest that "homosexuality" is the product of evolution by the virtue of its presumed "positive" impact on a culture. Only I do it with logic, not bible thumping so stay out of my debates.
Natural selection is based on sexual reproduction. If there is no passing of the genes from one to the next generation, there will not be an inherited trait. Even if the detrimental effect of homosexual failure to procreate were not enough to prove the concept false, the plain-as-day fact that such a trait is inherently racist by its nature proves the false logic of the claim.
Genes are selfish, period! Groups overcome selfish instincts by experience, but trust is vulnerability sooner or later if the group behavior is not constantly relearned from generation to generation, and it must be learned far faster than evolution could ever adjust for. Trust is also a negative attribute if it is simply a behavior learned by misdirected sexual gratification, and has no ability to discern a valuable group member from a parasite.
There! You have a logical argument. Not that you'll ever be able to use to do anything other than bludgeon yourself under the table!
Homosexuality has no positive impact on any culture.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71783 Jan 23, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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At first sight it does appear that a "gay gene" would be a contradiction in evolutionary terms. However, there are other examples of genes (really alleles) that are advantageous when one of the pair inherited from the parents has it, but deleterious when both do.
The gene conferring malarial resistance causes sickle cell anemia when inherited from both sides. This means it reaches an equilibrium in the population, conferring a net benefit so long as its not too prevalent. So it will never dominate, but never disappear either (unless a better solution evolves). There are other examples.
What if an allele that conferred some creative or other advantage in a single copy, causes homosexuality when inherited from both sides? This IS pure speculation, but its logically within the bounds of possibility.
On a completely different note. There is homosexuality. Those who are homosexual do not seem to have much choice in the matter. So WTF business is it to do with anyone else if they decide to do what they do? Its a victimless activity. Even gay marriage has NO impact on straight marriage. So who cares? Only those who fear its somehow contagious. Let it go.
The explanation is right before you. If a good quality becomes bad when combined with much the same, than it would be of limited value to the genome.

Also, there has been no genetic definition on the condition. As I've already stated, it's more of a symptom than a specific illness, or if there is an overwhelming statistical observation to be made, it's not genetic, nor is it even demonstrated to be advantageous to the community.

So really, there are two points. First, a medical condition is not something that I'd subvert science and the community over. Second, the issue of marriage is not victimless. It places a higher tax burden on those in the minority who do not receive tax breaks. This is really the typical liberal perspective where the budget is based on an always growing tax base, which is an illusion.

I think everyone who is going to accept evolution on this thread has long since done so. The rest have made their choices for other reasons. Virtually everyone has made a political choice. That is why I'm fine with adding the necessary imbalance in politics required to put science in proper perspective. Not too much of an obsession, but nobody seems willing to let it go, are they?

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#71784 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The drugs were found to have South American origins as well. DId you know that the pyramids were alters?
I read that ancient Egyptian mommies put fly feces in their babies' milk to sedate them and keep them from crying.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71785 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>For the priest of the alters......
For the Pharaohs.

Why are pyramids all over the world the same shape?

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Level 7

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71786 Jan 23, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I read that ancient Egyptian mommies put fly feces in their babies' milk to sedate them and keep them from crying.
Where did you read that?

And did it work?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71787 Jan 23, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Since this thread is full of fundies thoughtful comments can be rare. However skewering trolls is not done merely for skewing trolls, it is also to counter the misinformation they spread. Which can at the very least provide potential lurkers to evaluate positions for themselves and hint at further lines of investigation.
That's an honest response. You're presenting a political position as well as a logical argument, looking out for the outsider. I'm sure you wouldn't like someone cutting up your arguments and pasting them together again like a crazy ransom note!

With that in mind, that's why I find it easier to keep the wording as close to impartiality as possible, but then post a conclusion at the end of the observation. Don't make assumptions that aren't essential to your point when the point is scientific. You can play whatever games you want with the politics, but the science should come first. Sound bites make bad science.

Just my humble observation! ;)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71788 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Shit!
This is a forum for all. What you have said had been said before.
Charles, scatological comments don't enhance the forum.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#71789 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Think straight!
What is the essence of women and men, if men are only interested in their sexes, instead of their sexes?
Don't turn your brain upside down.
I do think straight and in straight thinking it is easy to see that you have deliberately tried to screw the questions round a corner so you can ignore them.

You have not answered ANY of the questions, but instead offered a limited scope cop out that ignores human instincts and the desire for pleasure in any way that the CONSENTING humans personally choose. Why was that?

Was it because you donít have answers? So all you can to is try (and fail) to discredit the questioner with foam and irrelevancies?

Or was it because you feel it your god given right to stick you nose into the life of everyone you donít agree with?

I will ask again

There is no justification for religion either except for personal choice but that never stopped you Ė right?
(You never answered that but you proved it to be correct by your actions, it did not stop you)

Does homosexuality effect you in any way?

Do you see homosexuals telling the world that you are wrong?

Now can you say the same for godbots like you?

Waiting

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#71790 Jan 23, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexuality has no positive impact on any culture.
Nor do people who are left-handed.
Or Blonde.

Etc.

Except when the OTHER qualities these individuls possess other than their dexterity, hair color, or sexual identity are not considered.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71791 Jan 23, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quotedr text>For the Pharaohs.
Why are pyramids all over the world the same shape?
They are alters to the heavens and the priest began to worship the creation rather than the Creator and God confounded them to stop them from learning any more about the universe.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#71792 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Irony.
You are only saying that based on your frustrations. Try another road, loser.
Sorry, my irony meter went boom listening to you christards

Nope I am only saying that because itís FACT

Religion is indoctrinated (usually but not always) from birth

Ok honey, what makes you think I am frustrated? Just because I donít get myself of dreaming of a god does not mean I am frustrated, it means that you life view is severely limited

You cannot deny that a new born does not worship any god and that as the child grows its parents belief (and later other relatives and peers) helps mould that childís belief system.

You cannot deny that christians worship the first recorded mass murderer and child killer who condoned rape.

Or can youÖ?

Honey, I am not the one worshipping a genocidal child killer, that would be youÖ loser

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#71793 Jan 23, 2013
anonymous wrote:
Second, the issue of marriage is not victimless. It places a higher tax burden on those in the minority who do not receive tax breaks.
OK, so lets say the tax treatment for married couples is fixed so that its perfectly fair for married and single people.

What difference does it make if some of the married ones are knob/slot, slot/slot, or knob/knob? How does it affect marriage in general?

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#71794 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>They are alters to the heavens and the priest began to worship the creation rather than the Creator and God confounded them to stop them from learning any more about the universe.
Where do you make this junk up from?

“I started out with nothing”

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#71795 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Then you don't know the meaning of hypocrisy.
You must be an hypocrates.
Yes I do - claiming moral standards or beliefs which are contradicted by one's own behaviour

I am not the one claiming righteous indignation because I worship a genocidal mass murdering apologist for rape, thatís you

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#71796 Jan 23, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
The explanation is right before you. If a good quality becomes bad when combined with much the same, than it would be of limited value to the genome.
As I already explained, in this case you will have an allele that never dominates the population and also never entirely disappears.

Malarial resistance was just one example. The mutation responsible for Tay-Sachs appears to be another, with single carriers showing high intelligence and double carriers dead before they are 10 because of some sort of overgrowth of the neurons.

Anyway like I said its speculative because no "gay allele" has been found. Just saying - it is possible.



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#71797 Jan 23, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you make this junk up from?
I comes right out of his head

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#71798 Jan 23, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Homosexuality has no positive impact on any culture.
Perhaps its just coincidence that one of the most gay accepting cultures in the world, the ancient Greek, was also just about the most brilliant and creative culture we have ever seen on earth.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71799 Jan 23, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you make this junk up from?
It is true and if you look hard enough you will find the truth.

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