Evolution vs. Creation

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Jan 22, 2013
 
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Tommy that's so funny! What a card you are.
'cause you can't answer him. No way a ship could fit 2 of every species on the planet on it. Unless they were frozen as sperm and ova.

The Flood never happened. If it did, we would be able to trace every species back to 2 individuals at exactly the time of the Flood.

Since almost all species on the planet show great genetic diversity - stretching back hundreds of thousands of years in most cases - objectively proves the Biblical Flood did not happen.

There are also all kinds of geology and physics reasons it objectively didn't happen as well.

But, seeing as how you know nothing of science, and are a science denier, you're just going to stupidly dismiss this, too.

You have convinced me that creationism is damaging to the human mind. You were a child once and now you are delusional - that's child abuse. Your parents are at fault for teaching you this nonsense.

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What makes me special is something I don't understand.
The chances of you happening is 1 in 2 trillion.

Well done!

And that chance is based on who your mother and father are/were. So...you, as a body and mind can never happen again. Unless your parents have 2 trillion more babies.
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So you have loosely covered the reproduction species concept and the niche species concept.
The niche one doesn't work when examined, because niches aren't real. They're created by species who favor exploiting parts of the environment over all others. Selection then favors those individuals who are better at exploiting that one part of the environment and runaway natural selection produces a specialist species. This especially happens when like species are living in the same geographic area - they specialize in order to not compete with each other (a more accurate way of saying this is that natural selection favors individuals who are specialists if there are other specialists around).
But the niche didn't exist before the species as a separatable thing from the overall environment. The species produced that by creating a resource and then monopolizing it.
So niche is really a shorthand for saying "the specific part of the environment exploited by a species."
The reproductive species concept doesn't work too well, either, b/c lots of species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Ruffed grouse and sprouse grouse, white tail deer and mule deer, and on and on. In the laboratory, lots of species can produce offspring that otherwise wouldn't b/c of mating practices or social behavior - hamadryas baboons and olive baboons, for example, various birds, lizards, salamanders, etc.
So a species not necessarily bounded by reproduction; gene flow can happen between closely related species. Moreover, all free living species have parasites and pathogens that sometimes inject their DNA into the species' gene pool.
How can we call a species a bounded unit if it's DNA can change through transposons and mutagens?
Well, we cannot. Species are best defined through a DNA centered framework. Species are loosely bounded gene pools that can be invaded by outside DNA, through gene flow and pathogens, and mutation.
When you understand this rather difficult concept, then the fossil record becomes clear. Species are loosely bounded gene pools traveling through time, changing over time - they are dynamic and not static, they are loosely bounded and not perfect.
A niche is a work place in the chain of life....

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'cause you can't answer him. No way a ship could fit 2 of every species on the planet on it. Unless they were frozen as sperm and ova.
The Flood never happened. If it did, we would be able to trace every species back to 2 individuals at exactly the time of the Flood.
Since almost all species on the planet show great genetic diversity - stretching back hundreds of thousands of years in most cases - objectively proves the Biblical Flood did not happen.
There are also all kinds of geology and physics reasons it objectively didn't happen as well.
But, seeing as how you know nothing of science, and are a science denier, you're just going to stupidly dismiss this, too.
You have convinced me that creationism is damaging to the human mind. You were a child once and now you are delusional - that's child abuse. Your parents are at fault for teaching you this nonsense.
The Biblical flood DID happen i saw it, all the animals were on the TITANIC.

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Cybele:
"The definition of micro and macro-evolution from that link is incorrect or misused. lol"
That link was Berkeley's evolution teams web page.
Yes. And for some strange reason you are claiming that the entire science department at Berkeley is wrong about evolution. And not just that science department, but every single science department at every single top university in the entire world.

In fact, I cannot imagine that a university could be "creationist," and certainly not a biological science department. The closest any biologists come is the ID movement - and there's less than a handful of them who are a disgrace to their departments. Michael Behe, for example - his own department has a paragraph declaring his silly ideas about ID non-scientific. And he hasn't produced a real research based scientific article in quite a few years.

See? You are delusional.

You proclaim that others cannot argue with Berkeley and then you take a stance that no biological department at any university takes - in fact, you proclaim that they are all wrong, despite all their evidence, and that your religion's silly idea, based on an ancient mythological text, is somehow correct.

Totally delusional.

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<quoted text>A niche is a work place in the chain of life....
I really didn't think you'd get it. No worries. Someone did.

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YOU FAIL
at being an uneducated creationist, yes. Yes I do!

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Fins came first, then legs.
Creatures came first, then eggs.
That is just disgusting... I never understood how people could get into bestiality.

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at being an uneducated creationist, yes. Yes I do!
NO you fail at life

The world was obviously created 200 years ago by pirate space aliens. Duh!
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WORK or the Whole Organizational Range of KInds theory is an orgainzational theory which is an explanation of how ecological systems work in relation to SCP concept.

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<quoted text>That is just disgusting... I never understood how people could get into bestiality.
What the hell?????????? Why bring that up you sick ba$t@rd!

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Jan 22, 2013
 
The date of cheetah bottleneck is estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Yet even today, cheetahs are virtual twins of each other.

If a bottleneck could create that much uniformity in a species for that long, then imagine the results of a world flood leaving 8 humans, 7 of every clean species, and 2 of every unclean species, and taking place only 4500 years ago.

Yet we have dark people, light people, tall people, and short people. We have Great Danes, chihuahuas, and cocker spaniels, which probably could not have been bred if the World Flood took place.

Either the scientists are wrong about the cheetah bottleneck or they are right about the Flood.

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The date of cheetah bottleneck is estimated to be 10,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Yet even today, cheetahs are virtual twins of each other.
If a bottleneck could create that much uniformity in a species for that long, then imagine the results of a world flood leaving 8 humans, 7 of every clean species, and 2 of every unclean species, and taking place only 4500 years ago.
Yet we have dark people, light people, tall people, and short people. We have Great Danes, chihuahuas, and cocker spaniels, which probably could not have been bred if the World Flood took place.
Either the scientists are wrong about the cheetah bottleneck or they are right about the Flood.
Cheetahs aren't actual big cats, they don't belong to the Panthera genus. Do you know that cheetahs can run at 900 miles per hour????? Thats quick

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What the hell?????????? Why bring that up you sick ba$t@rd!
I guess I used the wrong meaning for came in HFY's comment. My bad.

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http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
"Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team
Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.
Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:"
FYI No one is better the me.
I sure hope Berkeley does not upset you too much. Ah, not really I do hope it raises you blood pressure.
There is no proof of macro evolution.
Never happened never will.
Yes there is, there is considerable evidence for macroevolution, what is the real problem is that goddidit bots have nothing to hang onto so they lie

I’m sure we have argued this before and I have presented evidence that you appear to have ignored, why am I not surprised?

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Jan 22, 2013
 
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<quoted text>I guess I used the wrong meaning for came in HFY's comment. My bad.
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Jan 22, 2013
 
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If you wish to say it in those term that's fine. God created all living things and sense you lack full knowledge of how God created, you can go ahead and try to describe it as a child might.
So tell us, how did he do it?

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Jan 22, 2013
 
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Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
Pandora?

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Pandora?
I used to live on Pandora, but i got sick of the fact that i was the only wombat there and left

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Pretty impressive you claiming to know more then the Evolution Team at Berkeley.
Did you not see the word misused?

Or did you deliberately ignore it?

The “evolution team” at Berkeley are fully aware of the definition of macro evolution and that page you linked to states

Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:

“happens”(not does not happen) I guess you forgot to read what you were linking too - right?

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