Evolution vs. Creation

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71676 Jan 22, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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The theory of evolution does not rely on abiogenesis. For the exact same reason the theory of gravity does not rely on explaining the origin of mass.
This has been explained to the fundies thousands of times, and as yet is left unaddressed by them.
I agree, but if you make certain assumptions with evolution, abiogenesis is implied. There's always the possibility of contamination of the earth by life from elsewhere, but ultimately, you have to address its origin. Why beat around the bush?

Assumption one: In an environment where life exists and can thrive, natural selection will cause that life to change in response to competition.

Assumption two: Life will adapt to new environments and exploit them, providing the means for survival are within the species reach.
Assumption three: Life started out simple and gained complexity over time, as new mutations were selectively added to the gene pool.

No divine magic is required, and assuming that it does intervene only detracts from the verifiable evidence at hand. If someone can prove that divine intervention DOES exist, then we can base theories on the idea that it had in the past. For now, to include divinity is just one of many forms of political bias.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71677 Jan 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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OK, but what's your point. Even the evolution of DNA would have to be based on an environment conducive to creating self-replicating molecules. Would you call it life? Not by modern standards. Only the combination of the self-replication in DNA when combined with the functionality of a membranous structure that can contain proteins manufactured by DNA, do we have what we call life.
The same conditions are at work. The environment had to first occur to create membranes and DNA. The two had to combine and start to exploit each others abilities. None of this happened overnight, but over a portion of Earth's 4 billion year history. The existence of life has only been documented over the last 600 million of those 4 billion years. That's 600 million years to get from bacteria to humanity, and about 5 times as long to get from a rocky planet in a new solar system to those bacteria.
Probability regarding abiogenesis and Evolution has been addressed. Irrefutable proof isn't going to happen. It's just a question of whether or not you would rather have an ordinary truth or a fantastic lie that puts you above the natural world that you depend on for life.
You can call it a faith or a simple preference of logic but I don't see any reason to give credibility to a deity that does not make its presence known. That only convinces me of the voyeuristic nature of its followers.
fout times as long to get to bacteria! Yeah! I can add!:)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71678 Jan 22, 2013
"Four" times! I really shouldn't post with the morning light coming in the window!

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#71679 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Fins came first, then legs.
Creatures came first, then eggs.
I didn't think you would EVER admit that.

Now.... did that hurt so bad?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71680 Jan 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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I agree, but if you make certain assumptions with evolution, abiogenesis is implied. There's always the possibility of contamination of the earth by life from elsewhere, but ultimately, you have to address its origin. Why beat around the bush?
They don't. In fact there are numerous scientific organisations across the world who are working on that very subject. But it's more of a subject for chemists than for biologists. It still has no bearing on evolution, which doesn't care if life was magically poofed into existence, just as long as life is here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts.

“what we think we become”

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above and beyond

#71681 Jan 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Totally delusional.
I'm sure the people who wrote the bible smoked marijuana plant and mushrooms or other natural hallucinogens aka burning bush. Even tribes, Native Indians, or shamans did it. Religion is a result of delusional beliefs caused by altered consciousness.

But of course it's the chosen elites with their delusions who have the authority to subjugate people into following their religions. It's because they hold power and secret knowledge. But the fact is, the truth is out there.

What we need is Science to explain "religiosity"

"Neuroscientists are uncovering interesting correlations between religiosity, the tendency to feel anxiety and the function of serotonin in the brain."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brai...

And now we just have to deal with both Science and Religion with equal importance. They both play a critical role for survival.

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#71683 Jan 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, you hate everything that is different than you. Not at all surprising.
Likewise.

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#71684 Jan 22, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>you struggle with reading and comprehension don't you... try hooked on phonics
Likewise. Why do you lie with both eyes closed?
Don't close your damn eyes against the truth.

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#71685 Jan 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Heck, it is easy to define sexual perversion from a Christian point of view. Sexually perverted acts are those acts that are done by other people.
And since you are not doing Chuckles the Clown (AKA Charles) you are a big old nasty pervert.
No cause for alarm. You are the clown.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#71686 Jan 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I'm sure the people who wrote the bible smoked marijuana plant and mushrooms or other natural hallucinogens aka burning bush. Even tribes, Native Indians, or shamans did it. Religion is a result of delusional beliefs caused by altered consciousness.
But of course it's the chosen elites with their delusions who have the authority to subjugate people into following their religions. It's because they hold power and secret knowledge. But the fact is, the truth is out there.
What we need is Science to explain "religiosity"
"Neuroscientists are uncovering interesting correlations between religiosity, the tendency to feel anxiety and the function of serotonin in the brain."
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brai...
And now we just have to deal with both Science and Religion with equal importance. They both play a critical role for survival.
Yes, there's more than one study showing the inverse correlation between "religiosity" and IQ.

One only needs to read these threads to confirm their findings.

...either here or at FSTDT.

http://www.fstdt.com/Top100.aspx...

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#71687 Jan 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Shh, you will set him off again.
Chuckles will go on for days on end about how the English language belongs to the English. And no, Chuckles is not a native English speaker.
English language belongs to the English( Angles and Saxons). You have no case against that. The truth and nothing but the truth.

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#71688 Jan 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Shh, you will set him off again.
Chuckles will go on for days on end about how the English language belongs to the English. And no, Chuckles is not a native English speaker.
Ofcourse. English belongs to the English( the Angles and the Saxons).
You have no case against that.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#71689 Jan 22, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> English language belongs to the English( Angles and Saxons). You have no case against that. The truth and nothing but the truth.
Kong_ wrote:
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Yes, there's more than one study showing the inverse correlation between "religiosity" and IQ.
One only needs to read these threads to confirm their findings.
...as Charles (above, right on que) so adeptly illustrates this point...

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#71690 Jan 22, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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I am currently debating at a Christian Forum too, it goes by the name of "Christian Forums". You are supposed to be very polite and not offend anyone there. I don't think I will last too long, the moderators don't seem to apply the rules equally to atheists and Christians.
At any rate I have to get my insults in somewhere.
You don't know how good it feels to tell someone what an a-hole that they are when you have been restricted from doing so.
Dull!
You are already in that hole of abys( bottomless pit).

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#71691 Jan 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope you and the other ignorant godbots of this world are a habit that need to be discouraged
There is no justification for religion either except for personal choice but that never stopped you right?
Tell me, does homosexuality effect you in any way? Do you see homosexuals telling the world that you are wrong? Now can you say the same for godbots like you?
Think straight!
What is the essence of women and men, if men are only interested in their sexes, instead of their sexes?
Don't turn your brain upside down.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#71692 Jan 22, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Yes, there's more than one study showing the inverse correlation between "religiosity" and IQ.
One only needs to read these threads to confirm their findings.
...either here or at FSTDT.
http://www.fstdt.com/Top100.aspx...
Ah, some real classics there, Kong.

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#71693 Jan 22, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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We have over 7 billion people on earth right now. The largest population the planet has ever seen, and the population is growing exponentially.
According to Fundies (such as yourself),'sexual perversion' is rampant, and "it will pose a negative effects on human population growth".
Do you see ANY logical disconnect here?
When men started having interest in men and women in women, how can procreation be possible?
are we inculcating the right morals in our children or wards in legalising Homosexuality?

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#71694 Jan 22, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Religion is a habit that for the most part is indoctrinated from birth and such indoctrination is revelled in by those doing the indoctrination of children. It has for thousands of years posed a negative effect on humanity. Christianity for example requires the worship of the first recorded mass murderer who killed children for spite and condoned rape.
And you have the gall to proclaim homosexuality a perversion against humanity.
Irony.
You are only saying that based on your frustrations. Try another road, loser.

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#71695 Jan 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Most perversions are the product cultural bias. Are you preparing to introduce some as absolute?
Charles is stunted on so many levels, it degrades the conversation to address them on a one-by-one basis.
If you don't have any thing meaningful to say, shut up!
You must be stunted for saying that.

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#71696 Jan 22, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Not the governments job.
Last I saw, you're the only one claiming to be from Nigeria on this site. Where do you get off advising members of democracies to engage in government sanctioned bullying?
We are not talking about politics or nationalism but on homosexuality.

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