Evolution vs. Creation

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Langoliers wrote:
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Why do Atheist have such a hard time with definition of such easy words.
Here let me help you out.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.

I simply lack theistic belief.

An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.

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<quoted text>Link please?
There is this also.

A fossilized human skull was found in coal that was sold in Germany (mid-1800s). A jawbone of a child was found in coal in Tuscany (1958). Two giant human molars were found in Montana (1926). A human leg was found by a West Virginia coal miner. It had changed into coal.�pp. 34-35.

A woman, in Illinois, reportedly found a gold chain in a chunk of coal which broke open (1891). A small steel cube was found in a block of coal in Austria (1885). An iron pot was found in coal in Oklahoma (1912). A woman found a child's spoon in coal (1937).�p. 35.

In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.

What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal that is supposed to be hundreds of

millions of years old? According to Norm Scharbough's book Ammunition (which includes a compilation of many such "coal anecdotes") the bell was extensively analyzed at the University of Oklahoma and it was found to contain an unusual mixture of metals, different from any modern usage. Photo and text from Genesis Park.

Man-made objects in rock.

An iron nail was found in a Cretaceous block from the Mesozoic era (mid-1800s). A gold thread was found in stone in England (1844). An iron nail was found in quartz in California (1851). A silver vessel was found in solid rock in Massachusetts (1851).

The mold of a metal screw was found in a chunk of feldspar (1851). An intricately carved and inlaid metal bowl was found in solid rock (1852). An iron nail was found in rock in a Peruvian mine by Spanish conquistadores (1572).�pp. 35-36.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Psalm 103:14

New International Version (1984)
for he knows how we are formed, he remembers that we are dust.

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I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
So you're an agnostic atheist?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text>So are you implying that if science didn't tell you that you existed, you would be in doubt?

I must say...you are dedicated.
LOL.:-()

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Drew Smith wrote:
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I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
You don't need to practice any religion to believe there is a God.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Sounds improbable to me. I doubt the word was coined to refute scripture. Personally, I don't see the idea as being very essential to evolutionary theory. Mutation occurs and is passed on at the individual level, period!

The idea of a "macro" evolutionary strategy is flawed. It's like saying that the predecessors of birds decided to take several steps to become birds. That doesn't happen. What does happen is that environmental conditions occur that allow a species to bridge a gap between their old niche and a new one. Without those conditions, no birds would happen.

I don't know if it's your interpretation or the logic that is flawed, but I won't defend it.
Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team

Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.

Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...

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<quoted text>I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)

Langoliers wrote, "Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord""

You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?

By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.
LOL really!

"You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?"

Why do you think science is switching to those dating system? Think hard now.

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<quoted text>Then please explain how according to the bible, we were made from dust?
No need you can look it up if you don't already know. I don't play those games.

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Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.

I simply lack theistic belief.

An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
Look up the word agnostic.

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Evolution at different scales: micro to macro
by the Understanding Evolution team
Evolution encompasses changes of vastly different scales — from something as insignificant as an increase in the frequency of the gene for dark wings in beetles from one generation to the next, to something as grand as the evolution and radiation of the dinosaur lineage. These two extremes represent classic examples of micro- and macroevolution.
Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/arti...
You keep referring to a definition that is not accurate.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Mac...

So you don't agree to the fact there was increase in brain size in mammals, which is an example of macro-evolution?

Although I have questions about major transitions (origin of higher-level phyla) in species.

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Langoliers wrote:
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No need you can look it up if you don't already know. I don't play those games.
I'm not playing games, I want answers. Because if there was one, you would be posting them by now, wouldn't you?

The bible actually tells you that and Science proves that and yet you still don't know?

Hint: We are literally made of star dust.

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Cybele wrote:
So you're an agnostic atheist?
Correct.

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I'm an atheist, but I'm not someone who believes that there is no deity.
I simply lack theistic belief.
An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
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You don't need to practice any religion to believe there is a God.
I didn't make any references to religious practice.

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Langoliers wrote:
"You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?"
Why do you think science is switching to those dating system?
Because science is not making a claim in favor of any particular religion.

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An atheist is someone who lacks theistic belief.
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Look up the word agnostic.
Agnosticism is a claim about knowledge, not a claim about belief.

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For example, consider the fossil evidence. If Darwinism were true, the fossil evidence should show lots of gradual change, with one species slowly grading into the next. In fact, it should be hard to tell where one species ends and another begins. But that's not what we find.
That's not true at all. There have been billions of humans that have lived on earth and we only have a few thousand or so fossilized humanoid remains. Fossilization is a very rare thing and we have no fool proof method of locating them.

In Darwin's lifetime there were only a very few fossilized remains found. He noted in his writing that Africa would be the logical place to find human remains. In the early 1900's we started to find lots of fossils in Africa because of his intuition.

Since that time we have found proof that humans did evolve there in Africa...both archaeological and DNA converged, modern humans are first found in Africa about 200,000 years ago.

Try all you want, but evolution is true and will stand.

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Dragons are real. They are in control. lol

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Dragons are real. They are in control. lol
I have one for a pet...he lives in my tool shed..:-)

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Langoliers wrote:
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Why do Atheist have such a hard time with definition of such easy words.
Here let me help you out.
athe·ist\ˈā-thē-ist\
noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
ag·nos·tic\ag-ˈnäs-tik,əg -\
noun
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

Religion
noun
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Faith
noun
: firm belief in something for which there is no proof
There that should help you out.
Yeah, you believe in nothing.

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