Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
if there was irrefutable evidence that supported the idea of an intelligence behind the Universe would you believe?
And as I have answered each and every time I have been asked such a question:

Yes.
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The answer was an honest no
Not from me.
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so in all honesty, asking for "evidence" is really kinda of mute...don't you think?
Assuming you intended the very different word "moot", my answer to your question is "no".

So, how are you coming with producing that "irrefutable evidence"?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
anonymous wrote:
You owe everyone an apology for shanghaiing the discussion...
Says the guy who willingly participated in the aforementioned discussion.
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Meanwhile, I intend to further discuss Evolution vs. Creationism
Great! But you're not doing it in this exchange, so you're not doing very well in living up to your own claimed intentions.
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don't parse out peoples comments in an effort to wear them down with trivial clarifications on things that only matter to your pro-gay mythology
You mean, my statistical-based (which is quite real, and not myth) argument for equal rights for gays.
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...which is NOT nor has ever been a part of Evolution.
Homosexuality isn't part of evolution? Then you must be claiming that humans aren't part of evolution, since homosexuality has been part of humanity for all of recorded history.

But since humans *are* part of evolution, then all of their behaviors are, too. So you're obviously wrong.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
personal experience and observation
Personal experience/observation doesn't count as evidence toward the existence of anything, if it can't be made objective.

Or did you not realize that you've identified no way to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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Link please?
http://www.mcremo.com/lectures.html

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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And as I have answered each and every time I have been asked such a question:
Yes.
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Not from me.
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Assuming you intended the very different word "moot", my answer to your question is "no".
So, how are you coming with producing that "irrefutable evidence"?
Then describe your criteria irrefutable evidence...

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Jan 21, 2013
 
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Langoliers wrote:
The Bible contains about 2500 prophesy of which 2000 have been fulfilled. You can google that.
I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
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Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord"
You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?

By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?
If that implies a change in mindset...I would think not.
Are you an unbiased observer?

I don't think so.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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Then describe your criteria irrefutable evidence
Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.

When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
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Personal experience/observation/observa tion doesn't count as evidence toward the existence of anything, if it can't be made objective.
Or did you not realize that you've identified no way to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality?
so speaking from your own Personal experience and observations, you have determine that Personal experience/observation has to objective....ok:O)

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Are you an unbiased observer?
I don't think so.
do you think of yourself, as a unbiased observer?
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It's not a mystery at all. There can be countless advanced civilizations in the Universe. That doesn't mean that they have the capability to communicate across interstellar distances (let alone travel between them).
Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Drew Smith wrote:
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I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
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You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?
By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?
Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.
Not to mention all the planets and their moons, plus other 'heavenly' bodies that bear the names of greek and roman deities.

Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, yadda, yadda, yadda...

And ALL of the months of the year, if I'm not mistaken.

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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)
Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.

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Drew Smith wrote:
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Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.
When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.
and again...if you were by yourself and saw a tree fall in the forest,...you would have doubts that it happened, because there was no objective witnesses?

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Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.
so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.

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nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
So from this experience, how did this affect you?

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Jan 21, 2013
 
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Sorry, but you don't make a good critique here.
Try explaining what a species is and you'll see where your argument fails.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.
of course.. universe is intelligent design perfectly with balance system in it

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Jan 21, 2013
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.
No, it doesn't. The universe suggests a universe and that is all.

Appeal to popularity fallacy, also known as the bandwagon. The majority has historically proven wrong more often than correct, so you are siding with what is more likely wrong.

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