Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#71574 Jan 21, 2013
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)

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#71575 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
The Bible contains about 2500 prophesy of which 2000 have been fulfilled. You can google that.
I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
Langoliers wrote:
Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord"
You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?

By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.

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Tampa, FL

#71576 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?
If that implies a change in mindset...I would think not.
Are you an unbiased observer?

I don't think so.

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Tampa, FL

#71577 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Then describe your criteria irrefutable evidence
Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.

When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.

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#71578 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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Personal experience/observation/observa tion doesn't count as evidence toward the existence of anything, if it can't be made objective.
Or did you not realize that you've identified no way to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality?
so speaking from your own Personal experience and observations, you have determine that Personal experience/observation has to objective....ok:O)

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#71579 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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Are you an unbiased observer?
I don't think so.
do you think of yourself, as a unbiased observer?
nemesis

Kansas City, MO

#71580 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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It's not a mystery at all. There can be countless advanced civilizations in the Universe. That doesn't mean that they have the capability to communicate across interstellar distances (let alone travel between them).
Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#71581 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
<quoted text>
You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?
By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?
Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.
Not to mention all the planets and their moons, plus other 'heavenly' bodies that bear the names of greek and roman deities.

Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, yadda, yadda, yadda...

And ALL of the months of the year, if I'm not mistaken.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#71582 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)
Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.

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#71583 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.
When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.
and again...if you were by yourself and saw a tree fall in the forest,...you would have doubts that it happened, because there was no objective witnesses?

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#71584 Jan 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.
so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.

“what we think we become”

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#71585 Jan 21, 2013
nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
So from this experience, how did this affect you?

“Al Qur'an is Revolution ”

Since: Oct 12

Islam is Future

#71586 Jan 21, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Sorry, but you don't make a good critique here.
Try explaining what a species is and you'll see where your argument fails.
:)

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#71587 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.
of course.. universe is intelligent design perfectly with balance system in it

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Seattle

#71588 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.
No, it doesn't. The universe suggests a universe and that is all.

Appeal to popularity fallacy, also known as the bandwagon. The majority has historically proven wrong more often than correct, so you are siding with what is more likely wrong.

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#71589 Jan 21, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
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of course.. universe is intelligent design perfectly with balance system in it
If it was balanced then nothing would change, there would be no black holes, there would be no stars ... and there would be no planets or us.

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#71590 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>I did say in essence...lol
LOL

Funny.

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#71591 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Venus?...lol
Island in the Sun

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#71592 Jan 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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If it was balanced then nothing would change, there would be no black holes, there would be no stars ... and there would be no planets or us.
i mean 'the system' too.. like day n night, man n woman, strong n weak, material n anti-material, gravity n anti-gravity, n many more

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#71593 Jan 21, 2013
Islamic Scientist wrote:
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i mean 'the system' too.. like day n night, man n woman, strong n weak, material n anti-material, gravity n anti-gravity, n many more
Erm, life evolved on the planet to become accustomed to "day and night."

Binary gender reproduction is the worst of all the reproductive systems.

The rest is meh. That's not a "system," it's just the way things are, and there is no balance at all, again, if there was balance nothing would ever change. Without change nothing would be here.

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