Evolution vs. Creation

There are 162179 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#71532 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Not going to speculate, but I think you may be leading people on. Why is it important? Are you rebelling against your own culture?
In order for me to find the answer to how life started, I must know where I came from (other than from my parents). I'm starting to wonder if there was an external force behind my existence.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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#71533 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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had to look it up...it's been awhile since I read about it...
..."ancient artifacts include the small zinc and silver vessel found in a Massachusetts rock layer supposed to be 600 million years old, and advanced stone tools found in California gold mines. Professor J.D. Whitney, the state geologist of California, published a lengthy review of these implements, including spear points, mortars and pestles, verifying that they were found deep in mine shafts underneath thick, undisturbed layers of lava thought to be from 9 to 55 million years old."
Link please?

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#71534 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Did you know the meaning of VE (shrine) and NUS is spelled backwards?
no I did not...and I thank you for bringing that to my attention.:)

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#71535 Jan 21, 2013
Lets apply the xxxooxxx test right here.
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?

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#71536 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>I'm an atheist, but I'm not "screaming" for anything. I'm *asking* for theists to provide some *evidence* that supports their beliefs.

So far, they are coming up empty.
I see, well there is many things that ate evidence to our believe. The Bible contains about 2500 prophesy of which 2000 have been fulfilled. You can google that. Many will claim that those prophesy were written after the fact. That's not true in fact many have been fulfilled in the last hundreds years clearly after the prophesy were written.
The odds that 2000 prophesy coming true all from one book is through the roof, yet these prophesy where all fulfilled to the letter.

Jesus is the most influential person in the history of man. Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord"

"H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946

When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:

“By this test, Jesus stands first.”

“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”

“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”

Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society

In A History of Christianity:

“It is evidence of His importance, of the effect that He has had upon history and presumably, of the baffling mystery of His being that no other life ever lived on this planet has evoked so huge a volume of literature among so many people and languages, and that, far from ebbing, the flood continues to mount.”

“As the centuries pass by, the evidence is accumulating that measured by its effect on history, Jesus is the most influential life ever lived on this planet. The influence appears to be mounting.”

“No other life lived on this planet has so widely and deeply affected mankind.”

George Bancroft, great American historian

“I find the name of Jesus Christ written on the top of every page of modern history.”

http://www.why-jesus.com/history.htm

There is also a very good DVD you can watch it's called "The Star of Bethlehem"

This is a good start by far not all encompassing.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71537 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well I guess there's no irrefutable evidence that you exist at all, then is it.lol
Well, I'm fairly sure that science doesn't worry itself with the existential. Evidence that is shareable and reproducible is the standard.

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#71538 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>The definition of micro and macro-evolution from that link is incorrect or misused. lol
Pretty impressive you claiming to know more then the Evolution Team at Berkeley.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71539 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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In order for me to find the answer to how life started, I must know where I came from (other than from my parents). I'm starting to wonder if there was an external force behind my existence.
OK, if that isn't anything your parents can take credit for, it does sound like a possible angle for attention. What the cynic and the scientist would both probably ask is "What makes YOU so special?" If we all aren't privy to your perceptions, why so? And what would you have to gain by sharing your patchwork experiences?

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#71540 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I realize that the question was addressed to someone else, but what would you consider irrefutable evidence?
Xxxooxxx wrote:
personal experience and observation.
I dont know about Drew Smith, but I have heard lots of testimonials from mainline Christians.
But I have also heard testimonials from members of many religious groups which mainline Christians tend to regard as false.
How do I know which ones to listen to and which ones not to listen to?
Which ever one stands true in your heart...I would guess.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71541 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Pretty impressive you claiming to know more then the Evolution Team at Berkeley.
Pretty unimpressive when people refuse to respond to people who aren't registered on Topix.

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#71542 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>You have "full knowledge" of how God created everything? Sorry but the Genesis story isn't complete either.
Where exactly do I claim that I have full knowledge of how God created everything? I know enough to not try explain Gods Creation as "GODDIDIT with magic"

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#71543 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Well, I'm fairly sure that science doesn't worry itself with the existential. Evidence that is shareable and reproducible is the standard.
So are you implying that if science didn't tell you that you existed, you would be in doubt?

I must say...you are dedicated.

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#71544 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, I'm still not seeing this. Fish came from a common ancestor. Reptiles came from a common ancestor. Mammals came from a common ancestor. It just so happens that at some point in time, the common ancestor stopped being defined as one type of species and started being classified as another.

At one point in time, human ancestors were Australopithecenes, and over time, along with a few branches that didn't persist, a few other steps along the way produced modern man. We don't have to give the species the variety of names that we do, but it's all the same process at work.

The terms macro and micro don't mean much other than maybe to describe the creation of new species. We don't observe the creation of new species simply because nowhere near enough time has passed for us to actually witness such events. It's entirely possible for species such as bonobos and chimpanzees to interbreed, although not very successfully or that often. They have as much as 1.5 million years of separation in their blood lines, the geography discourages interbreeding and the behavior of the two species discourages the possibility as well.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/...
Created kinds are organisms that are defined by creation biology as sharing a common ancestry. The phrase refers to the Genesis account of the creation week during which God created many kinds of plants and animals. They are also referred to as "original kinds," "Genesis kinds," and more formally by creation scientists as baramin The term barmin was coined in 1941 by Frank Marsh from the Hebrew words bara (create) and min (kind). The study of baramin (known as Baraminology) is a rapidly growing field of creation science involved with the identification of the created kinds.[1]

The concept of the "created kind" originates from the biblical book of Genesis where it is first mentioned in chapter 1.

"The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. There was evening and there was morning, a third day... Then God said,'Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.' God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. God blessed them, saying,'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.' There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. Then God said,'Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind'; and it was so."Genesis 1:12-24
In contrast to the evolutionary principle of common ancestry, creation biologists argue that organisms were created in a finite number of discrete forms as described in the Bible, which subsequently diversified through speciation and microevolution. There is much uncertainty about what exactly the Bible means when it talks of "kinds".

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#71545 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>OMG. So God is not invisible?!
Is this a new concept for you?
anonymous

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#71546 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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So are you implying that if science didn't tell you that you existed, you would be in doubt?
I must say...you are dedicated.
Well, let's say that I don't need Descartes in order to think for myself.

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#71547 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Lets apply the xxxooxxx test right here.
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?

I think so.

Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?

I think so.

Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?

If that implies a change in mindset...I would think not.

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#71548 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Pretty impressive you claiming to know more then the Evolution Team at Berkeley.
No I'm not claiming anything.

What if macro-evolution is a continuation of micro-evolution, for millions of generations?

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#71549 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I’m accustomed to trying to instruct Creationists on Evolution, but I never thought I’d ever had to instruct a Creationist on Creationism,

The Dude wrote:
If the Ark story is true then "MACRO"-evolution definitely DID happen

Langooliers wrote:
No sorry I have to burst your bubble.

That’s not The Dude’s bubble, that’s a Creationist bubble.
It has just been presented right here on this forum—and by a Creationist, no less.
In 1941, Frank L. Marsh recognized that it would be an impossible task for Noah and his seven trusty crewmen to take all one million species on board and keep them all fed.
So Marsh invented a new model which he called “baraminology.”
This model by-passes all that intellectual tedium about phylums and genuses and species, and instead classifies all animals as “kinds.”
He couldn’t translate the word “kind” into Latin, because the Latin equivalent has already been taken with the word “species.”
So he translated it into Hebrew instead.

Today, Duane Gish embraces that concept, also calling it “basic kind” or “Genesis kind.”

Langoliers wrote:
Macro evolution is one "Kind of animal or plant completely changing to another Kind" there is no proof of this ever happening.

You mean you’re going to make Noah’s family feed all 35 species of dogs, all 850 species of bats, and all 280,000 species of worms? That’s cruel of you!
Tommy that's so funny! What a card you are.

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#71550 Jan 21, 2013
and I might add...that the votes are in on the first post of this forum.

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#71551 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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OK, if that isn't anything your parents can take credit for, it does sound like a possible angle for attention. What the cynic and the scientist would both probably ask is "What makes YOU so special?" If we all aren't privy to your perceptions, why so? And what would you have to gain by sharing your patchwork experiences?
What makes me special is something I don't understand.

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