Evolution vs. Creation

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#71518 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
if there was irrefutable evidence that supported the idea of an intelligence behind the Universe would you believe?
I realize that the question was addressed to someone else, but what would you consider irrefutable evidence?

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#71519 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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No sorry I have to burst your bubble.
Macro evolution is one "Kind of animal or plant completely changing to another Kind" there is no proof of this ever happening.
Some how you seem to have jumped to yet another childish conclusion. Just because you can't see God this does not make him invisible. Can you see the planets in the Andromeda Galaxy?
Does Andromeda have invisible planets? Andromeda is our closest neighbor what about the furthest Galaxy does it have invisible planets?
Now given that God is outside our universe why would you jump to the conclusion that he is invisible, sounds mighty childish. Grow up Dude.
OMG. So God is not invisible?!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71520 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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I always have something to say when I post. This is true whether you like it or not.
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I'm not here to play a game. And as I have already pointed out to you earlier (which you appear to have already forgotten), I owe you no apology.
You owe everyone an apology for shanghaiing the discussion in an effort to enforce your political doctrine. Ain't gonna happen.

Meanwhile, I intend to further discuss Evolution vs. Creationism, and I don't have to have my discussions disrupted by gay rights propaganda.

So don't call any of this a game, but don't parse out peoples comments in an effort to wear them down with trivial clarifications on things that only matter to your pro-gay mythology, which is NOT nor has ever been a part of Evolution.

Still going to parse out every comment, ain'cha? Nope! Not obsessive-compulsive and not caught up in a dominance game! Not you! ;)

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#71521 Jan 21, 2013
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol

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#71522 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
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I realize that the question was addressed to someone else, but what would you consider eirrefutable evidenc?
personal experience and observation.

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#71523 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
Venus?...lol

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#71524 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
Just kiddin'...your obviously Neptunian.:)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71525 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
Not going to speculate, but I think you may be leading people on. Why is it important? Are you rebelling against your own culture?

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#71526 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Can anyone guess where I came from? lol
ok...I give up...where?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71527 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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personal experience and observation.
Not exactly what I'd call irrefutable!

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#71528 Jan 21, 2013
Im accustomed to trying to instruct Creationists on Evolution, but I never thought Id ever had to instruct a Creationist on Creationism,

The Dude wrote:
If the Ark story is true then "MACRO"-evolution definitely DID happen

Langooliers wrote:
No sorry I have to burst your bubble.

Thats not The Dudes bubble, thats a Creationist bubble.
It has just been presented right here on this forumand by a Creationist, no less.
In 1941, Frank L. Marsh recognized that it would be an impossible task for Noah and his seven trusty crewmen to take all one million species on board and keep them all fed.
So Marsh invented a new model which he called baraminology.
This model by-passes all that intellectual tedium about phylums and genuses and species, and instead classifies all animals as kinds.
He couldnt translate the word kind into Latin, because the Latin equivalent has already been taken with the word species.
So he translated it into Hebrew instead.

Today, Duane Gish embraces that concept, also calling it basic kind or Genesis kind.

Langoliers wrote:
Macro evolution is one "Kind of animal or plant completely changing to another Kind" there is no proof of this ever happening.

You mean youre going to make Noahs family feed all 35 species of dogs, all 850 species of bats, and all 280,000 species of worms? Thats cruel of you!

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#71529 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Venus?...lol
Did you know the meaning of VE (shrine) and NUS is spelled backwards?

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#71530 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
I realize that the question was addressed to someone else, but what would you consider irrefutable evidence?

Xxxooxxx wrote:
personal experience and observation.

I dont know about Drew Smith, but I have heard lots of testimonials from mainline Christians.
But I have also heard testimonials from members of many religious groups which mainline Christians tend to regard as false.
How do I know which ones to listen to and which ones not to listen to?

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#71531 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Not exactly what I'd call irrefutable!
well I guess there's no irrefutable evidence that you exist at all, then is it.lol

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#71532 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Not going to speculate, but I think you may be leading people on. Why is it important? Are you rebelling against your own culture?
In order for me to find the answer to how life started, I must know where I came from (other than from my parents). I'm starting to wonder if there was an external force behind my existence.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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Orlando

#71533 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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had to look it up...it's been awhile since I read about it...
..."ancient artifacts include the small zinc and silver vessel found in a Massachusetts rock layer supposed to be 600 million years old, and advanced stone tools found in California gold mines. Professor J.D. Whitney, the state geologist of California, published a lengthy review of these implements, including spear points, mortars and pestles, verifying that they were found deep in mine shafts underneath thick, undisturbed layers of lava thought to be from 9 to 55 million years old."
Link please?

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#71534 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Did you know the meaning of VE (shrine) and NUS is spelled backwards?
no I did not...and I thank you for bringing that to my attention.:)

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#71535 Jan 21, 2013
Lets apply the xxxooxxx test right here.
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?

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#71536 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>I'm an atheist, but I'm not "screaming" for anything. I'm *asking* for theists to provide some *evidence* that supports their beliefs.

So far, they are coming up empty.
I see, well there is many things that ate evidence to our believe. The Bible contains about 2500 prophesy of which 2000 have been fulfilled. You can google that. Many will claim that those prophesy were written after the fact. That's not true in fact many have been fulfilled in the last hundreds years clearly after the prophesy were written.
The odds that 2000 prophesy coming true all from one book is through the roof, yet these prophesy where all fulfilled to the letter.

Jesus is the most influential person in the history of man. Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord"

"H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946

When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:

“By this test, Jesus stands first.”

“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”

“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”

Kenneth Scott Latourette, former President of American Historic Society

In A History of Christianity:

“It is evidence of His importance, of the effect that He has had upon history and presumably, of the baffling mystery of His being that no other life ever lived on this planet has evoked so huge a volume of literature among so many people and languages, and that, far from ebbing, the flood continues to mount.”

“As the centuries pass by, the evidence is accumulating that measured by its effect on history, Jesus is the most influential life ever lived on this planet. The influence appears to be mounting.”

“No other life lived on this planet has so widely and deeply affected mankind.”

George Bancroft, great American historian

“I find the name of Jesus Christ written on the top of every page of modern history.”

http://www.why-jesus.com/history.htm

There is also a very good DVD you can watch it's called "The Star of Bethlehem"

This is a good start by far not all encompassing.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71537 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well I guess there's no irrefutable evidence that you exist at all, then is it.lol
Well, I'm fairly sure that science doesn't worry itself with the existential. Evidence that is shareable and reproducible is the standard.

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