Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209686 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#71564 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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Yes you are correct it doesn't disprove Macroevolution. But maybe you can understand why (many) Christian, Jewish, and Islam faiths do not except macro evolution as to have ever happened. While it may seem trivial the word Kind vs species the word Kind has been around and used long before species. And what science now claims as a new species does not align with the Biblical definition of Kind is. We see it as a Modern word game to help support evolution.
Sounds improbable to me. I doubt the word was coined to refute scripture. Personally, I don't see the idea as being very essential to evolutionary theory. Mutation occurs and is passed on at the individual level, period!

The idea of a "macro" evolutionary strategy is flawed. It's like saying that the predecessors of birds decided to take several steps to become birds. That doesn't happen. What does happen is that environmental conditions occur that allow a species to bridge a gap between their old niche and a new one. Without those conditions, no birds would happen.

I don't know if it's your interpretation or the logic that is flawed, but I won't defend it.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#71565 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
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The thing is you have zero proof of Macro evolution. As far a micro evolution no big deal there, so some genes get turn on or off. Big deal.
Not one fossil proves Macro evolution
Not once has it been observed.
Never in the history of the planet has macro evolution left behind a bit of proof that it ever happened.
You write:
"The thing is you have zero proof of Macro evolution. As far a micro evolution no big deal"

That's OK, you have absolutely zero proof that your god exists.

You write:
"Not one fossil proves Macro evolution
Not once has it been observed."

So what? You guys took 300 years to produce your Bible and decide on your dogma. Some things take time.

You write:
"Never in the history of the planet has macro evolution left behind a bit of proof that it ever happened."

Maybe we haven't found it yet...see the point above.

Not having an example of macro evolution to toss around yet, means absolutely nothing at this point in time.

We have PLENTY of proofs for evolution....where is your proof of your god?? I don't think you have any.

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71566 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
LetÂ’s apply the xxxooxxx test right here.
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?
( and mostly the only reason I went the way I did on that, is Evolutionists seems to think that their homosexuality has some basis on the topic...like three pages of it....the last time I was here...it is very offending to some....there are threads that cover such topics...)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71567 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
if there was irrefutable evidence that supported the idea of an intelligence behind the Universe would you believe?
And as I have answered each and every time I have been asked such a question:

Yes.
xxxooxxx wrote:
The answer was an honest no
Not from me.
xxxooxxx wrote:
so in all honesty, asking for "evidence" is really kinda of mute...don't you think?
Assuming you intended the very different word "moot", my answer to your question is "no".

So, how are you coming with producing that "irrefutable evidence"?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71570 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
You owe everyone an apology for shanghaiing the discussion...
Says the guy who willingly participated in the aforementioned discussion.
anonymous wrote:
Meanwhile, I intend to further discuss Evolution vs. Creationism
Great! But you're not doing it in this exchange, so you're not doing very well in living up to your own claimed intentions.
anonymous wrote:
don't parse out peoples comments in an effort to wear them down with trivial clarifications on things that only matter to your pro-gay mythology
You mean, my statistical-based (which is quite real, and not myth) argument for equal rights for gays.
anonymous wrote:
...which is NOT nor has ever been a part of Evolution.
Homosexuality isn't part of evolution? Then you must be claiming that humans aren't part of evolution, since homosexuality has been part of humanity for all of recorded history.

But since humans *are* part of evolution, then all of their behaviors are, too. So you're obviously wrong.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71571 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
personal experience and observation
Personal experience/observation doesn't count as evidence toward the existence of anything, if it can't be made objective.

Or did you not realize that you've identified no way to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality?

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71572 Jan 21, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Link please?
http://www.mcremo.com/lectures.html

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71573 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
And as I have answered each and every time I have been asked such a question:
Yes.
<quoted text>
Not from me.
<quoted text>
Assuming you intended the very different word "moot", my answer to your question is "no".
So, how are you coming with producing that "irrefutable evidence"?
Then describe your criteria irrefutable evidence...

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71574 Jan 21, 2013
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71575 Jan 21, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
The Bible contains about 2500 prophesy of which 2000 have been fulfilled. You can google that.
I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
Langoliers wrote:
Look at the dating method BC "Before Christ" AD "in the year of our Lord"
You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?

By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?

Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71576 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Have the Creationists on this forum been more respectful than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists argued more intelligently than the Evolutionists?
I think so.
Have the Creationists been better listeners than the Evolutionists?
If that implies a change in mindset...I would think not.
Are you an unbiased observer?

I don't think so.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71577 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
Then describe your criteria irrefutable evidence
Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.

When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71578 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Personal experience/observation/observa tion doesn't count as evidence toward the existence of anything, if it can't be made objective.
Or did you not realize that you've identified no way to distinguish between wishful thinking and reality?
so speaking from your own Personal experience and observations, you have determine that Personal experience/observation has to objective....ok:O)

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71579 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you an unbiased observer?
I don't think so.
do you think of yourself, as a unbiased observer?
nemesis

Kansas City, MO

#71580 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a mystery at all. There can be countless advanced civilizations in the Universe. That doesn't mean that they have the capability to communicate across interstellar distances (let alone travel between them).
Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#71581 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
I have. None of those can be identified as unambiguous prophecies that aren't either (1) twisted to fit a scenario or (2) made into a self-fulfilling prophecy.(Or the ones that are flat-out wrong.)
<quoted text>
You mean the dating that is increasingly written as "BCE" and CE"?
By the way, should we conclude that people believe that Thor and Woden and the other Norse gods were real because we have days named Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday?
Heck, even Jews that don't use "BC" and "AD" have no problem in using those words to refer to those days of the week.
Not to mention all the planets and their moons, plus other 'heavenly' bodies that bear the names of greek and roman deities.

Venus, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, yadda, yadda, yadda...

And ALL of the months of the year, if I'm not mistaken.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71582 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
(Then describe your criteria for irrefutable evidence...)
Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71583 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Relevant, objective, and unambiguous evidence.
When the evidence meets those criteria, the evidence can be presented, and it can be seen whether or not the evidence can be refuted.
and again...if you were by yourself and saw a tree fall in the forest,...you would have doubts that it happened, because there was no objective witnesses?

“Keep the change...”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71584 Jan 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Irrefutable is evidence that does not change what it suggests. Unlike mythology, the evidence produces the same results in all cases.
so the Universe "suggests" some sort of intelligence, acknowledged by every culture that has ever exist in some form or other...I would call that objective evidence.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71585 Jan 21, 2013
nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>Experience.....We had a close encounter @10ft.....not lights in the sky, not light refraction, not swamp gas.........It was 10 ft away. We both saw it. So don't tell us that we were dreaming and in the same dream. Unless God flies around in a starship and can make us fall asleep and wake up at the same time, than it was God. Or, it was the Govt. What was a reversed alien engineered craft doing out in the middle of BFE! Or, it was those interstellar travelers.....from what we could tell. It was hovering 15-20ft, on a high power line. We came over a hill after going thru mature trees that covered the road from the air. We surprised them/it(being a probe, a study vehicle). it than turned towards us. It had a soft white light it was using in front.They/It put us both to sleep. We lost time, but not exactly how much.As we were waking up, we were slumped in our seats facing each other, blinking, trying to wake up. Just than, the craft appeared hovering 10ft off the ground and just in front of us. It crossed over us without a sound. The bottom was covered in red glowing panels(probably the power source), 6" x 2' not rotating. It was awsome!!!!!My friend lost it and said, "Lets get out of here before they come bagk!" I step out of the car because I knew this was a once in a life time event. I saw nothing, no leaves moving just above us. Oh, in the canopy of leaves just behind our car there was a 15 ft hole in the trees.....freaky! The question we had was answered. Are we alone in the universe? A BIG FAT NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
So from this experience, how did this affect you?

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