Evolution vs. Creation

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71459 Jan 21, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Great thing about science.
It's rue whether you believe in it or not.(Paraphrase from Neil DeGrasse Tyson)
A good scientist would see the difference between absolute proof, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and pure opinion though. Evolution is admittedly what you and I call reasonable doubt so we can easily say "prove that it didn't happen", which is proving a negative.

I prefer to suggest that the phrase "demonstrate natural examples that don't fit Evolutionary theory" is a better place to start. Scientists CAN make mistakes. We can find random mutations in the fossil record that represent random mutations without being the result of Evolution. It's best to avoid defending Evolution as absolute fact.

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71460 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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I consider myself an advocate for order, not a volunteer to enforce anyone's perception of what is fair. I consider you someone who is trying to kill every shadow that moves. If I can remove your element so that others go on to discuss on topic, I've maintained the order I seek.
Stop parsing. Pay attention to the real debate. If you don't think my analogy is close enough to the Evolution/Creationism debate, feel free to walk away. For the most part, you have not presented logical information, just statistical claims and your private view as to what is "natural". I suggest your claims are invalid and defend my arguments. You call people names.
I call it a complete win, but you WILL go back to statistical claims and calling people names. Nothing can be more absolutely certain.
Amongst people are persons of no great claim other than to be considered that a Person amongst people...

You have to admit that logical thought process comes much from personal means experience statistics are a lot of numbers to go by them you really would have to know the source they are coming from...

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71461 Jan 21, 2013
In their book Refuting Evolution 2, Sarfati & Matthews portray their opponents as atheists. In Chapter 3 especially, they wax vitriolic against Evolutionists with their "materialistic bias, which rejects a common Designer a priori." In chapter 3 alone, they write that "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." "Particles turned into people over time, without any need for an intelligent Designer." "Modern evolutionary theory is all about providing a plausible mechanism for explaining life's complexity without God." The authors must have had another spurt of adrenalin in chapter 10, when they referred to "Darwin and his God-hating successors."

Like Gish, S & M confuse abiogenesis with evolution, and hope that the reader will also. "Life came into being without an intelligent Creator."

I what we should equate Creationists with.
The Illuminati movement, perhaps?

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71462 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Science has increased our understanding of probability. We know now that the likelihood of alien life is high, while the likelihood of space travel is not so high.
We can easily dismiss reports of alien visitors as improbable stories but as has always been the case, proving a negative is not logical or compulsory.
Probably isn't that like maybe...

So each and every Parent on the planet could be considered somewhat of a Scientist with great degree in that most Parents are great at saying maybe and the child after a while understands which sound to maybe means yes or no, so Science would have us believe that we are of people's function to understand ...

Diplomacy served thus far big shots as to be known as such? Diplomats and those that have em'...

I like reading your posts they make me think...

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71463 Jan 21, 2013
Hey Alienware the students reap the benefits what else is there?

Woke up with some strange sense that to slow is alright it does not connect with having to grow in any way...

Time

What about it, it only really exists first because of shadow shadow moves and then the hands they created a face too where the hands can move about to see shadow eyes blind people would have to touch the face to with hands feel hands...

legs to move in time as to shadow along in light is darkness...

when time seems right is when one feels light even in darkness in motion as the hands move legs accordingly to each step one by one...

Idle to stand still the earth is still moving still? Psssss

Lips to move and to give time before people had it?

“you must not give faith”

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#71464 Jan 21, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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That which is self evident needs no proof.
That which is self evident sould be easy to prove so do it.

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71465 Jan 21, 2013
I think to hate God is to have known some people that had no problem keeping the faith in God and when God handed them an empty egg they would seek him in the churches but when people handed them one they would stir the hate...

Sorta like that...

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71466 Jan 21, 2013
Or kind of Ironic to say in the least how and why God and people mix so well in churches that is and they should keep their business inside them...

To Persons why in difference between there is none...It's only to people!!!!

Why we can't speak clear
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71467 Jan 21, 2013
Tinka wrote:
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Amongst people are persons of no great claim other than to be considered that a Person amongst people...
You have to admit that logical thought process comes much from personal means experience statistics are a lot of numbers to go by them you really would have to know the source they are coming from...
I assure you, the source is biased. But you have to decide for yourself.

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71468 Jan 21, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
That which is self evident sould be easy to prove so do it.
It shouldn't need none...Especially not to self so why proof is needed for anyone would only be that of other~ in form shape color if a black man states he is that and a whole nation claims that he is not who is right and who is wrong?

Numbers do they matter?

To know in counting that 1 and 1 adds to two should be a plus...
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71469 Jan 21, 2013
Tinka wrote:
<quoted text>
Probably isn't that like maybe...
So each and every Parent on the planet could be considered somewhat of a Scientist with great degree in that most Parents are great at saying maybe and the child after a while understands which sound to maybe means yes or no, so Science would have us believe that we are of people's function to understand ...
Diplomacy served thus far big shots as to be known as such? Diplomats and those that have em'...
I like reading your posts they make me think...
Well, I can't imagine we're not here to think!

Anyway, there's a difference between politics and parental treatment of the young. Some don't like to think so. When that happens, then you can say that the road to hell is full of good intentions.

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71470 Jan 21, 2013
Also to the un-believer it seems there it lies that proof is such an important to must know method of Science Scientists believe exactly in what?

That knowledge reaches into what?

The white ceiling only heads so far they can't push it in itself...

MO FO's of crap is what some created...
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71471 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
In their book Refuting Evolution 2, Sarfati & Matthews portray their opponents as atheists. In Chapter 3 especially, they wax vitriolic against Evolutionists with their "materialistic bias, which rejects a common Designer a priori." In chapter 3 alone, they write that "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." "Particles turned into people over time, without any need for an intelligent Designer." "Modern evolutionary theory is all about providing a plausible mechanism for explaining life's complexity without God." The authors must have had another spurt of adrenalin in chapter 10, when they referred to "Darwin and his God-hating successors."
Like Gish, S & M confuse abiogenesis with evolution, and hope that the reader will also. "Life came into being without an intelligent Creator."
I what we should equate Creationists with.
The Illuminati movement, perhaps?
You're playing with the facts. Scientific method, when applied to Evolution rejects deity. Evolution does imply abiogenesis at some level. Accept it and reject the theist arguments anyway.

What's wrong with rejecting the "immortal soul"? Evolution certainly wouldn't see value in it, and physics doesn't have anything to suggest one. If you're arguing for natural order, accept it as the way of things.

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71472 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I can't imagine we're not here to think!
Anyway, there's a difference between politics and parental treatment of the young. Some don't like to think so. When that happens, then you can say that the road to hell is full of good intentions.
You are talking about the Liberated Christian?
I sense in many they have an utmost sense of worth in running someone's elses crap all of the time...
And that's just a branch of from Organized Religion...

To then some that do not have much to go on at all to what they like to run (much though is of own thinking to one's own thought to where they place themselves according to again Christianity...

Much seem to think that the only way to come of sense is to pray seek and repeatedly find sin so they place it...

Not enough to know that Christ existed as much as Hitler did, do we try to find every Nazi that has once roamed then and still now to this day, have we learned that History does not have to repeat itself, but that people create it History in the making as the minute passes it's an hour in 59 and then a new time....

Battery operated vs. wind up, what goes on, to when the time stands still, sometimes creation is a new but to what each day brings seldom does it much for the common everyday event to in and out of house car store and more and more to what is exactly needed?

Questions in many ways, to what seeketh so wants no answers much of all however
such as most Priests they seem to be on the line of many Scientists if you ask me...

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71473 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're playing with the facts. Scientific method, when applied to Evolution rejects deity. Evolution does imply abiogenesis at some level. Accept it and reject the theist arguments anyway.
What's wrong with rejecting the "immortal soul"? Evolution certainly wouldn't see value in it, and physics doesn't have anything to suggest one. If you're arguing for natural order, accept it as the way of things.
You were sarcastic in this post, correct?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71474 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Why does it matter what it's called?
It matters for the purposes of communication between human beings.
Cybele wrote:
I know it's obvious you're skeptic about intelligent design.
Why shouldn't I be skeptical, given that no evidence has yet been provided to support it?
Cybele wrote:
And that it goes against the theory of evolution because we supposedly evolved from simpler life forms.
That's what the evidence demonstrates.
Cybele wrote:
If the universe evolved from the simplest matter then what caused order and intelligence of the universe, nature, and in our species?
First of all, you're now switching gears in the use of the word "evolution". The processes that result in the creation of matter, galaxies, stars, and planets are not the processes that result in the creation of the first living things, nor are they the processes that result in the creation of all modern species from earlier species.

Second, the initial settings of the Universe have resulted in what we observe. If they had been different, we wouldn't be here to observe whatever existed. For all we know, there are an infinite number of Universes, each with its own set of initial settings. If so, then some are going to like our own Universe.

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71475 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I assure you, the source is biased. But you have to decide for yourself.
To what statistics in which field census are collected in many...

One way to get data...

You nor I can decide completely as to THEE Source what or who is exactly in that category...

It would turn us into the Ultimate Being...

“you must not give faith”

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#71476 Jan 21, 2013
Tinka wrote:
<quoted text>
It shouldn't need none...Especially not to self so why proof is needed for anyone would only be that of other~ in form shape color if a black man states he is that and a whole nation claims that he is not who is right and who is wrong?
Numbers do they matter?
To know in counting that 1 and 1 adds to two should be a plus...
What Iím tiring to get him to do is rip him apart, but to retort you need an argument from the other side. That is the only way I can show that design is not self-evident, hell not even your example shows something that is self-evident because the black man probably showed his face to tell people he is black, thus giving evidence that he is black without even thinking. Your other example 1+1=2 fails to as this isnít self-evident to those who have never tried to add one object and an other object together, for 1+1 to become obvious they would have to get said objects and put them together.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71477 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
I consider myself an advocate for order
And who determines what is "order"? You? If there are people who are unhappy with the order, doesn't that mean that it wasn't order in the first place?
anonymous wrote:
If I can remove your element so that others go on to discuss on topic, I've maintained the order I seek.
The topic of this thread is evolution vs. creation. I don't see you spending much of your time trying to discuss that.
anonymous wrote:
For the most part, you have not presented logical information, just statistical claims and your private view as to what is "natural".
And which view of what is "natural" did you present?

How is the use of statistics not "logical"?
anonymous wrote:
I suggest your claims are invalid
Except that you can't seem to demonstrate how. You just rail against statistics as if evidence for claims wasn't important.
anonymous wrote:
You call people names.
Says the guy who referred to gays as "deviants".

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Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71478 Jan 21, 2013
Like the chicken and the egg which came first planet or walking creature...

To walk on you would have had to had something to be walking on...

Why use your legs in mid air having had to develop legs for a reason don't you think? Limbs

Bone scale hair...wonder which came first...Fiber in threads or minerals...

Fiber helps you move along har har...:)

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