Evolution vs. Creation

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71471 Jan 21, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
In their book Refuting Evolution 2, Sarfati & Matthews portray their opponents as atheists. In Chapter 3 especially, they wax vitriolic against Evolutionists with their "materialistic bias, which rejects a common Designer a priori." In chapter 3 alone, they write that "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." "Particles turned into people over time, without any need for an intelligent Designer." "Modern evolutionary theory is all about providing a plausible mechanism for explaining life's complexity without God." The authors must have had another spurt of adrenalin in chapter 10, when they referred to "Darwin and his God-hating successors."
Like Gish, S & M confuse abiogenesis with evolution, and hope that the reader will also. "Life came into being without an intelligent Creator."
I what we should equate Creationists with.
The Illuminati movement, perhaps?
You're playing with the facts. Scientific method, when applied to Evolution rejects deity. Evolution does imply abiogenesis at some level. Accept it and reject the theist arguments anyway.

What's wrong with rejecting the "immortal soul"? Evolution certainly wouldn't see value in it, and physics doesn't have anything to suggest one. If you're arguing for natural order, accept it as the way of things.

“I be me, and you are...”

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Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71472 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Well, I can't imagine we're not here to think!
Anyway, there's a difference between politics and parental treatment of the young. Some don't like to think so. When that happens, then you can say that the road to hell is full of good intentions.
You are talking about the Liberated Christian?
I sense in many they have an utmost sense of worth in running someone's elses crap all of the time...
And that's just a branch of from Organized Religion...

To then some that do not have much to go on at all to what they like to run (much though is of own thinking to one's own thought to where they place themselves according to again Christianity...

Much seem to think that the only way to come of sense is to pray seek and repeatedly find sin so they place it...

Not enough to know that Christ existed as much as Hitler did, do we try to find every Nazi that has once roamed then and still now to this day, have we learned that History does not have to repeat itself, but that people create it History in the making as the minute passes it's an hour in 59 and then a new time....

Battery operated vs. wind up, what goes on, to when the time stands still, sometimes creation is a new but to what each day brings seldom does it much for the common everyday event to in and out of house car store and more and more to what is exactly needed?

Questions in many ways, to what seeketh so wants no answers much of all however
such as most Priests they seem to be on the line of many Scientists if you ask me...

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71473 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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You're playing with the facts. Scientific method, when applied to Evolution rejects deity. Evolution does imply abiogenesis at some level. Accept it and reject the theist arguments anyway.
What's wrong with rejecting the "immortal soul"? Evolution certainly wouldn't see value in it, and physics doesn't have anything to suggest one. If you're arguing for natural order, accept it as the way of things.
You were sarcastic in this post, correct?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71474 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Why does it matter what it's called?
It matters for the purposes of communication between human beings.
Cybele wrote:
I know it's obvious you're skeptic about intelligent design.
Why shouldn't I be skeptical, given that no evidence has yet been provided to support it?
Cybele wrote:
And that it goes against the theory of evolution because we supposedly evolved from simpler life forms.
That's what the evidence demonstrates.
Cybele wrote:
If the universe evolved from the simplest matter then what caused order and intelligence of the universe, nature, and in our species?
First of all, you're now switching gears in the use of the word "evolution". The processes that result in the creation of matter, galaxies, stars, and planets are not the processes that result in the creation of the first living things, nor are they the processes that result in the creation of all modern species from earlier species.

Second, the initial settings of the Universe have resulted in what we observe. If they had been different, we wouldn't be here to observe whatever existed. For all we know, there are an infinite number of Universes, each with its own set of initial settings. If so, then some are going to like our own Universe.

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71475 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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I assure you, the source is biased. But you have to decide for yourself.
To what statistics in which field census are collected in many...

One way to get data...

You nor I can decide completely as to THEE Source what or who is exactly in that category...

It would turn us into the Ultimate Being...

“you must not give faith”

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#71476 Jan 21, 2013
Tinka wrote:
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It shouldn't need none...Especially not to self so why proof is needed for anyone would only be that of other~ in form shape color if a black man states he is that and a whole nation claims that he is not who is right and who is wrong?
Numbers do they matter?
To know in counting that 1 and 1 adds to two should be a plus...
What Iím tiring to get him to do is rip him apart, but to retort you need an argument from the other side. That is the only way I can show that design is not self-evident, hell not even your example shows something that is self-evident because the black man probably showed his face to tell people he is black, thus giving evidence that he is black without even thinking. Your other example 1+1=2 fails to as this isnít self-evident to those who have never tried to add one object and an other object together, for 1+1 to become obvious they would have to get said objects and put them together.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71477 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
I consider myself an advocate for order
And who determines what is "order"? You? If there are people who are unhappy with the order, doesn't that mean that it wasn't order in the first place?
anonymous wrote:
If I can remove your element so that others go on to discuss on topic, I've maintained the order I seek.
The topic of this thread is evolution vs. creation. I don't see you spending much of your time trying to discuss that.
anonymous wrote:
For the most part, you have not presented logical information, just statistical claims and your private view as to what is "natural".
And which view of what is "natural" did you present?

How is the use of statistics not "logical"?
anonymous wrote:
I suggest your claims are invalid
Except that you can't seem to demonstrate how. You just rail against statistics as if evidence for claims wasn't important.
anonymous wrote:
You call people names.
Says the guy who referred to gays as "deviants".

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71478 Jan 21, 2013
Like the chicken and the egg which came first planet or walking creature...

To walk on you would have had to had something to be walking on...

Why use your legs in mid air having had to develop legs for a reason don't you think? Limbs

Bone scale hair...wonder which came first...Fiber in threads or minerals...

Fiber helps you move along har har...:)

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71479 Jan 21, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
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What Iím tiring to get him to do is rip him apart, but to retort you need an argument from the other side. That is the only way I can show that design is not self-evident, hell not even your example shows something that is self-evident because the black man probably showed his face to tell people he is black, thus giving evidence that he is black without even thinking. Your other example 1+1=2 fails to as this isnít self-evident to those who have never tried to add one object and an other object together, for 1+1 to become obvious they would have to get said objects and put them together.
That is so profound in no way, that took time considering actually none, I don't say it much to anyone especially posting comes out not right at times, as one might would have wanted things to sound but that is really taking it to the lamest so an orange and one apple make fruit and if you wanted (or want it) to take it further you can make fruit salad YAY, I like it add some whipped cream now you have a fruit salad having used three items but maybe you cut the fruit in half prior to preparing you would then have used 5...If you want to argue that go for it I am all ear but later I think I will return under my covers for a snooz...Meaning heading back to bed...

Did that made sense much?

Also people from the middle east come in different shades some in Russia are DARK OF COLOR TOO BUT THEY ARE WAY UP NORTHERn TO EUROPA...North east but North they are...

Now Regions that can be some (Topic) in the black and white Theory of well at least some things stand true that in the South generally it is hotter than it is North where there a lot of the time it gets very cold and it snows as well...

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71480 Jan 21, 2013
If I had to create one a Universe I wouldn't invite anyone...

Having had to create another?

For what a reason would that could that have been?

The world alone Earth let's say life existing had been split apart, why not just have taken and made tiny new balls...

For Humankind to sit up on and twirl their thumbs...

Now that would be something, people they have been getting together now for a while or HUMAN kind some really are not all were not that up-tied....

“I be me, and you are...”

Level 6

Since: Dec 06

in a city...

#71481 Jan 21, 2013
Night can't wait to read on later today...

Will try to stop back in, sometimes I skip it on my tracker I think the mood has to be right to be talking about life and matter...

“you must not give faith”

Level 1

Since: Jul 12

Nottingham, UK

#71482 Jan 21, 2013
Tinka wrote:
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That is so profound in no way, that took time considering actually none, I don't say it much to anyone especially posting comes out not right at times, as one might would have wanted things to sound but that is really taking it to the lamest so an orange and one apple make fruit and if you wanted (or want it) to take it further you can make fruit salad YAY, I like it add some whipped cream now you have a fruit salad having used three items but maybe you cut the fruit in half prior to preparing you would then have used 5...If you want to argue that go for it I am all ear but later I think I will return under my covers for a snooz...Meaning heading back to bed...
Did that made sense much?
Also people from the middle east come in different shades some in Russia are DARK OF COLOR TOO BUT THEY ARE WAY UP NORTHERn TO EUROPA...North east but North they are...
Now Regions that can be some (Topic) in the black and white Theory of well at least some things stand true that in the South generally it is hotter than it is North where there a lot of the time it gets very cold and it snows as well...
What point are you trying to make that I have made no sense or something else? I'm not sure.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71483 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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And who determines what is "order"? You? If there are people who are unhappy with the order, doesn't that mean that it wasn't order in the first place?
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The topic of this thread is evolution vs. creation. I don't see you spending much of your time trying to discuss that.
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And which view of what is "natural" did you present?
How is the use of statistics not "logical"?
<quoted text>
Except that you can't seem to demonstrate how. You just rail against statistics as if evidence for claims wasn't important.
<quoted text>
Says the guy who referred to gays as "deviants".
Parse! Ni!
Parse! Ni!
Parse! Ni!

Parse! Parse! Parse!

Talk when you have something to say.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71484 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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It matters for the purposes of communication between human beings.
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Why shouldn't I be skeptical, given that no evidence has yet been provided to support it?
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That's what the evidence demonstrates.
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First of all, you're now switching gears in the use of the word "evolution". The processes that result in the creation of matter, galaxies, stars, and planets are not the processes that result in the creation of the first living things, nor are they the processes that result in the creation of all modern species from earlier species.
Second, the initial settings of the Universe have resulted in what we observe. If they had been different, we wouldn't be here to observe whatever existed. For all we know, there are an infinite number of Universes, each with its own set of initial settings. If so, then some are going to like our own Universe.
In order for anything to be able to observe reality, it needs consciousness. So did matter evolve to create consciousness?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71485 Jan 21, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You're playing with the facts. Scientific method, when applied to Evolution rejects deity. Evolution does imply abiogenesis at some level. Accept it and reject the theist arguments anyway.
What's wrong with rejecting the "immortal soul"? Evolution certainly wouldn't see value in it, and physics doesn't have anything to suggest one. If you're arguing for natural order, accept it as the way of things.
If you believe in order, then your existence would have to have a purpose. Do you know what your purpose is?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71486 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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If you believe in order, then your existence would have to have a purpose. Do you know what your purpose is?
My purpose is what I choose to be my purpose. No waving my hand and defying physics, no control by one person over billions of others, but my choice anyway. What kind of person would give away their choice on one of the few things they do have control over?

...and no, I don't share my purpose with others. That would just invite parsing idiots who think everyone's purpose is to serve their own. Don't need some cliche Riddler in my life. I get enough annoyances from Catwoman and Two-Face! 8o)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71487 Jan 21, 2013
And who determines what is "order"? You? If there are people who are unhappy with the order, doesn't that mean that it wasn't order in the first place?
<quoted text>
The topic of this thread is evolution vs. creation. I don't see you spending much of your time trying to discuss that.
<quoted text>
And which view of what is "natural" did you present?
How is the use of statistics not "logical"?
<quoted text>
Except that you can't seem to demonstrate how. You just rail against statistics as if evidence for claims wasn't important.
<quoted text>
Says the guy who referred to gays as "deviants".
anonymous wrote:
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Parse! Ni!
Parse! Ni!
Parse! Ni!
Parse! Parse! Parse!
Talk when you have something to say.
I'm the one who had something to say.

You just had nonsense as your response.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71488 Jan 21, 2013
Cybele wrote:
In order for anything to be able to observe reality, it needs consciousness.
That depends on the definitions of "observe" and "consciousness", but for the sake of argument, let's take that as true.
Cybele wrote:
So did matter evolve to create consciousness?
Matter didn't "evolve" in the biological sense of the term, but certainly at least *some* of the matter in the Universe changed over time so that it would be considered by us to be alive (whatever definition of "life" you have) and so that it achieved consciousness (whatever definition of "consciousness" you have).
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71489 Jan 21, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
And who determines what is "order"? You? If there are people who are unhappy with the order, doesn't that mean that it wasn't order in the first place?
<quoted text>
The topic of this thread is evolution vs. creation. I don't see you spending much of your time trying to discuss that.
<quoted text>
And which view of what is "natural" did you present?
How is the use of statistics not "logical"?
<quoted text>
Except that you can't seem to demonstrate how. You just rail against statistics as if evidence for claims wasn't important.
<quoted text>
Says the guy who referred to gays as "deviants".
<quoted text>
I'm the one who had something to say.
You just had nonsense as your response.
You seem to have something to say to yourself, but I expect my comments to be addressed in context.

Now, apologize! You've offended me. That's the context. That's how you're going to eat it.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71490 Jan 21, 2013
I'm the one who had something to say. You just had nonsense as your response.
anonymous wrote:
You seem to have something to say to yourself, but I expect my comments to be addressed in context.
I've addressed your comments in context. You just didn't like what I said as I addressed them.
anonymous wrote:
Now, apologize! You've offended me.
If you were offended, that is your problem, not mine. No apology on my part is required.

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