Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Delusions are self evident to the Delusional.
So Einstein and Edison were Delusional...?

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What *exactly* in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it"?
everything including you...well not so much you...but you get my drift...lol

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So Einstein and Edison were Delusional...?
I have no idea.

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What *exactly* in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it"?
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everything including you...well not so much you...but you get my drift...lol
You're avoiding my question. I'm asking *how* anything in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it".

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So Einstein and Edison were Delusional...?
Perhaps. They say there is a thin line between genius and crazy.

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What *exactly* in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it"?
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You're avoiding my question. I'm asking *how* anything in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it".
well if you have to ask how...then you will never know...

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Perhaps. They say there is a thin line between genius and crazy.
(I thought that was love and hate?...lol)

Most people who think outside the box are considered crazy...

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(I thought that was love and hate?...lol)
Most people who think outside the box are considered crazy...
thinking the cube analogy...Here's an article on Hoyle's intelligent universe

http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/pdf/korthof47...
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<quoted text>Don't you think the creatures are given the tools withn their own makeup to change if needed to match the outlined niche?
Look at plants and insects. Some plants evolve chemical defenses to discourage insects and the insects then evolve an immunity to those defenses. It is biological and chemical warfare between species which could not possibly grasp the concept. Yet they still engage in it.

There is an intelligence in nature itself. The evolutionary process is hardly random.

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You're avoiding my question. I'm asking *how* anything in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it".
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well if you have to ask how...then you will never know
Translation: You can't explain how one thing implies the other.

Yeah, we got that already.
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Islamic Scientist wrote:
Creation can be proved.. many scientist prove DNA code, relativity theory, big bang, etc.. evolution theory have weakness in many side :)
Proved? Do us a favor......strap explosives to your chest and go kill more innocent people.......Proved? Scientist proved they believ their own BS!!!!! The Big Bang is a joke....its right up there with the Bible!
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Humans have massive population numbers, and it turns out we are undergoing rapid evolution in our 1) immune systems and 2) brains.
Smaller populations = increased genetic drift and susceptibility to selection pressure.
To suggest that there is evolution within the human species is not pc. One must cling to the notion that we are all pretty much equal in our abilities. To do otherwise would be to engage in eugenics much like the nazis did.

With billions of humans evolution has hit a dead end. We evolve through non evolutionary means. It is our technology which evolves... not our genes.

Small isolated communities evolve in order to survive. Humanity survives by using the grey matter we were all born with. Not much different than the grey matter our ancestors were born with when they first left Africa. We are post evolutionary. Unless a comet or something were to wipe about 99.9% of us out anyway.
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You're avoiding my question. I'm asking *how* anything in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it".

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Translation: You can't explain how one thing implies the other.

Yeah, we got that already.
If there is no intelligence in the structure of the universe how can scientists use physics to explain it? There is not chaos up there. We do live in an ordered universe.

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I know this world is ruled by infinite intelligence. Everything that surrounds us- everything that exists - proves that there are infinite laws behind it. There can be no denying this fact. It is mathematical in its precision.
Thomas A. Edison
The idea of Edison "infinite intelligence" seems to be reflected in...
Psalm 147:5 -“Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.”
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My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it.[Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]

All Bibles are man-made.[Thomas Edison]

So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk.[Thomas Edison]

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.[Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]

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darwin (darwinism) was absolutely wrong perception to understand reality in correct way..i mean it
We have more proof of evolution aka 'Darwinism' then you do for Allah (pbuh)
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Look at plants and insects. Some plants evolve chemical defenses to discourage insects and the insects then evolve an immunity to those defenses. It is biological and chemical warfare between species which could not possibly grasp the concept. Yet they still engage in it.
There is an intelligence in nature itself. The evolutionary process is hardly random.
A species will adapt to be fruitful and multiply after its own kind and the Creator gave this to every kind that is working to support the chain of life.

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thinking the cube analogy...Here's an article on Hoyle's intelligent universe
http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/pdf/korthof47...
You do know that Fred Hoyle's ideas about the universe and creation were ultimately proven wrong, don't you??

Although he is the one credited with coming up with the moniker 'Big Bang' for the ideas that was ultimately adopted

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<quoted text>A species will adapt to be fruitful and multiply after its own kind and the Creator gave this to every kind that is working to support the chain of life.
Can you define "kind"?

Is "Bird of Prey" a kind? Or just "bird"? Or "Anything with feathers"?

Is "Primate" a kind? Or "Mammal"? Or "Animal"?

If I present you with an as of yet undiscovered animal, how would you know which "kind" it should be?

How many "kinds" are there?

How do I determine if something like a penguin is "bird kind" or "fish kind"?

What about something like a snail? Is it the same kind as a slug?

Are snakes and false snakes both "snake kind"? Or are false snakes "lizard kind"? Or are they all "reptile kind"? Or are they all "things that lay eggs kind"?

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No so fast there dude:
My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it.[Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]
All Bibles are man-made.[Thomas Edison]
So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk.[Thomas Edison]
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.[Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]
wasn't talking the validity of religion at all...but the validity of intelligence design which is acknowledge by Edison.
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<quoted text>Proved? Do us a favor......strap explosives to your chest and go kill more innocent people.......Proved? Scientist proved they believ their own BS!!!!! The Big Bang is a joke....its right up there with the Bible!
Actually the Big Bang is just a theory that gives a suggested answer to how the universe was created and is based on how the galaxy moves. It has more evidence than the bible which for the most part seem to be a collection of stories gathered together by a bunch of "disciples" or "gospels" that lend no evidence and points to the supernatural. If in modern day someone were to find a book similar to the bible they would disregard it as fairy tales and nonfiction. But I do have to say that the bible has played many important parts in human history, but so has the koran, the torah and many confucian teachings.

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