Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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neutral observer

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Jan 20, 2013
 
Drew Smith wrote:
You're avoiding my question. I'm asking *how* anything in the structure of the Universe implies "some sort of intelligence behind it".

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Translation: You can't explain how one thing implies the other.

Yeah, we got that already.
If there is no intelligence in the structure of the universe how can scientists use physics to explain it? There is not chaos up there. We do live in an ordered universe.

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I know this world is ruled by infinite intelligence. Everything that surrounds us- everything that exists - proves that there are infinite laws behind it. There can be no denying this fact. It is mathematical in its precision.
Thomas A. Edison
The idea of Edison "infinite intelligence" seems to be reflected in...
Psalm 147:5 -“Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit.”
No so fast there dude:

My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it.[Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]

All Bibles are man-made.[Thomas Edison]

So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk.[Thomas Edison]

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.[Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#71394
Jan 20, 2013
 
Islamic Scientist wrote:
darwin (darwinism) was absolutely wrong perception to understand reality in correct way..i mean it
We have more proof of evolution aka 'Darwinism' then you do for Allah (pbuh)
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Look at plants and insects. Some plants evolve chemical defenses to discourage insects and the insects then evolve an immunity to those defenses. It is biological and chemical warfare between species which could not possibly grasp the concept. Yet they still engage in it.
There is an intelligence in nature itself. The evolutionary process is hardly random.
A species will adapt to be fruitful and multiply after its own kind and the Creator gave this to every kind that is working to support the chain of life.

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Jan 20, 2013
 
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thinking the cube analogy...Here's an article on Hoyle's intelligent universe
http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/pdf/korthof47...
You do know that Fred Hoyle's ideas about the universe and creation were ultimately proven wrong, don't you??

Although he is the one credited with coming up with the moniker 'Big Bang' for the ideas that was ultimately adopted

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<quoted text>A species will adapt to be fruitful and multiply after its own kind and the Creator gave this to every kind that is working to support the chain of life.
Can you define "kind"?

Is "Bird of Prey" a kind? Or just "bird"? Or "Anything with feathers"?

Is "Primate" a kind? Or "Mammal"? Or "Animal"?

If I present you with an as of yet undiscovered animal, how would you know which "kind" it should be?

How many "kinds" are there?

How do I determine if something like a penguin is "bird kind" or "fish kind"?

What about something like a snail? Is it the same kind as a slug?

Are snakes and false snakes both "snake kind"? Or are false snakes "lizard kind"? Or are they all "reptile kind"? Or are they all "things that lay eggs kind"?

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Jan 20, 2013
 
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No so fast there dude:
My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it.[Thomas Edison, Do We Live Again?]
All Bibles are man-made.[Thomas Edison]
So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk.[Thomas Edison]
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.[Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]
wasn't talking the validity of religion at all...but the validity of intelligence design which is acknowledge by Edison.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
nott wrote:
<quoted text>Proved? Do us a favor......strap explosives to your chest and go kill more innocent people.......Proved? Scientist proved they believ their own BS!!!!! The Big Bang is a joke....its right up there with the Bible!
Actually the Big Bang is just a theory that gives a suggested answer to how the universe was created and is based on how the galaxy moves. It has more evidence than the bible which for the most part seem to be a collection of stories gathered together by a bunch of "disciples" or "gospels" that lend no evidence and points to the supernatural. If in modern day someone were to find a book similar to the bible they would disregard it as fairy tales and nonfiction. But I do have to say that the bible has played many important parts in human history, but so has the koran, the torah and many confucian teachings.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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Can you define "kind"?
Is "Bird of Prey" a kind? Or just "bird"? Or "Anything with feathers"?
Is "Primate" a kind? Or "Mammal"? Or "Animal"?
If I present you with an as of yet undiscovered animal, how would you know which "kind" it should be?
How many "kinds" are there?
How do I determine if something like a penguin is "bird kind" or "fish kind"?
What about something like a snail? Is it the same kind as a slug?
Are snakes and false snakes both "snake kind"? Or are false snakes "lizard kind"? Or are they all "reptile kind"? Or are they all "things that lay eggs kind"?
I lol'd at your post.
I believe what he means by kind, is others of it's kind, others that are like it. For example if I say idiots and their kind, I mean those specific idiots and all other idiots like him.
If I say snakes and their kind I pretty much mean snakes.
But for his specific term I think he refers to all the species that had adapted like them. So if you have a species that adapts and then makes babies that share that same characteristic then you have him and all his babies, his kind.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
neutral observer wrote:
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If there is no intelligence in the structure of the universe how can scientists use physics to explain it? There is not chaos up there. We do live in an ordered universe.
Actually according to my inorganic chemsitry textbook, most of the crap out there is chaos it takes energy to order it into what we consider order. I just remember that because I was thinking how is that possible, but then I read the whole damn thing and realized yea, airs is chaotic and most of the worlds made up of air (this is a paraphrase) so yeah it makes sense.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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To suggest that there is evolution within the human species is not pc. One must cling to the notion that we are all pretty much equal in our abilities. To do otherwise would be to engage in eugenics much like the nazis did.
With billions of humans evolution has hit a dead end. We evolve through non evolutionary means. It is our technology which evolves... not our genes.
Small isolated communities evolve in order to survive. Humanity survives by using the grey matter we were all born with. Not much different than the grey matter our ancestors were born with when they first left Africa. We are post evolutionary. Unless a comet or something were to wipe about 99.9% of us out anyway.
Well as far as "race" is concerned we are all pretty much alike the physical characteristics which we like to define as asian african european caucasion whatever does not really define our personal attributes. However it is due to note that many of us have mutations that may or may not prove to be useful or benefit in our environment. If those give us a select advantage over our ability to acquire resources or to mate and produce viable young and offspring then as such we as a whole gain a new characteristic or ability.
The way my A&P professor explained it is this:
Basically the human race can be considered a closet, we got a bunch of crap in their ( our genome) and sometimes we are able to use that crap sometimes its useless. Maybe an umbrella or a snow plow that is useful, the things that are useful will be kept while the stuff thats not won't.
How evolution comes into play is that over time there will be more ppl with umbrellas and thus we as a whole have evolved into a stage where having an umbrella is advantageous. However to kill anyone without an Umbrella as in the case of Eugenics is just silly.
Here is where I'll fill in:
I guess its because killing someone without a specific trait would be disadvantageous to the human race would be because if something had happened that made it disadvantageous to have an umbrella or a snowplow then those who don't have the umbrella /snow plow would be better off to succede and repodruce and since they are still human, the one's with umbrellas can reproduce with the ones without umbrellas to make kids that may have umbrellas or not but will ensure that people with umbrellas won't die out!
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Jan 20, 2013
 
jkjkhardcore wrote:
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Actually the Big Bang is just a theory that gives a suggested answer to how the universe was created and is based on how the galaxy moves. It has more evidence than the bible which for the most part seem to be a collection of stories gathered together by a bunch of "disciples" or "gospels" that lend no evidence and points to the supernatural. If in modern day someone were to find a book similar to the bible they would disregard it as fairy tales and nonfiction. But I do have to say that the bible has played many important parts in human history, but so has the koran, the torah and many confucian teachings.
What would humans do if they knew that an energy or control could make their mind fall asleep....? Knowing it exist. Its real. its scary. What ramifications would that bring to human existence?
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Jan 20, 2013
 
nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>What would humans do if they knew that an energy or control could make their mind fall asleep....? Knowing it exist. Its real. its scary. What ramifications would that bring to human existence?
About 2 thirds awake and 1 third asleep? OH NOES!!!

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thewordofme wrote:
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You do know that Fred Hoyle's ideas about the universe and creation were ultimately proven wrong, don't you??
Although he is the one credited with coming up with the moniker 'Big Bang' for the ideas that was ultimately adopted
if you read the article, both sides of the arguments were explained.

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nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>What would humans do if they knew that an energy or control could make their mind fall asleep....? Knowing it exist. Its real. its scary. What ramifications would that bring to human existence?
what are you talking about? mind control?

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Jan 20, 2013
 
Those poor Biblical Creationists have gotten caught in a double bind.
The more kinds they recognize, the more work they impose on Noah and his seven trusty crewman.
The fewer kinds they recognize, the more evolving--excuse me, adapting--they impose on the animals, and in just 4500 years.

Did Noah take only two dogs? That's 35 species in 14 genera.
Did Noah take only two bats? That's 850 species.
Did Noah take only two worms? That's 28,000 species in 18 phyla, which is over half the phyla in the Animal Kingdom.
How about beetles? That's half a million species.

Duane Gish claimed that the concept of kinds can be understood by "any high school student with average intelligence." However, he cannot remember his own system. On page 35 of the 1978 edition of Evolution: The Fossils Say No! hhe assigns a slot each to gibbons, chimpanzees, and gorillas, but 0on page 47, he designates all apes as a "major kind."

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Jan 20, 2013
 
neutral observer wrote:
If there is no intelligence in the structure of the universe how can scientists use physics to explain it?
Scientists use physics to *model* what we observe.

If every possible Universe, from the most chaotic to the most regular, actually exists at some point, then you're going to have observers only in the relatively regular ones.(Too chaotic, no life, and too regular, not enough variety to produce life.)

If the Universe were sufficiently chaotic, we wouldn't be around to observe it, remember?

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nemesis wrote:
<quoted text>What would humans do if they knew that an energy or control could make their mind fall asleep....? Knowing it exist. Its real. its scary. What ramifications would that bring to human existence?
You mean, if humans learned about the existence of Ambien?
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Drew Smith wrote:
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So it's just coincidence that polls taken over a period of time by different organizations show the same results?
It's just coincidence that polls are able to predict who wins in elections?
That humans are intelligent does not allow us to conclude that, when taken as a large group, we can't predict their behavior.
Otherwise, it would be impossible to design highways or buildings, it would be impossible for restaurants to predict how many staff they'll need for different shifts, it would be impossible for stores to predict how many items they need to put on the shelves.
And yet all of these things are done.
Intelligent humans, in the aggregate, are still predictable.
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Ah, the wishful thinking of a homophobe. I do love a good fantasy story. But just like the Jetsons and their flying cars, your view of the future isn't likely to happen, either.
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And yet you keep doing it. Why is that?
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Well, since you admit that you can't predict the future, your predictions are valueless, are they not?
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You mean the way that the "good ol' boys" have managed to prevent interracial marriages from taking place?
Oh, wait, they haven't.
I guess those "good ol' boys" won't have their day, after all.
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Pay no attention to the policeman who's trying to help!
You think you're some sort of policeman?

Seriously?

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