Evolution vs. Creation

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70999 Jan 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>That again is not a justification of homosexuality( lity).
Sexual perversion is an habit that needs to be discouraged.
Not the governments job.

Last I saw, you're the only one claiming to be from Nigeria on this site. Where do you get off advising members of democracies to engage in government sanctioned bullying?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71000 Jan 14, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
A few pages ago, there was discussion on alleged racism on the part of Evolutionists.
Wanna hear some racist Creationist theories?
According to Elijah Muhammed, founder of the Black Muslims, the White race was created by a mad scientist living on an island off the coast of Africa. His intent was to persecute God's chosen people.
According to the Black Hebrews, another Black racist group, the White people are descended from Eve and the serpent.
The original version of The Book of Mormon promised that when Native Americans embraced Mormonism, God would turn their skins "white and delightsome."
According to the Mormons, God lives on another planet named Kolob, with thousands of wives. All the other inhabitants of the planet are his progeny. We are reincarnations of those inhabitants. We chose to come here. We made this choice because we realized that it would be in the interests of our spiritual development to live in a place where we cannot see God. Therefore, we have to accept the existence of God on faith.
God places us according to our behavior on Kolob. The most privileged are placed in Mormon families. The next best are born White.
After Cain killed Abel, God punished Cain by turning his skin black. All of the black people are descended from Cain. Ham went on the Ark with his wife, who was descended from Cain. Her name was Egyptus, and the nation of Egypt is named after her.
Until 1978, black members of the church were forbidden to serve as priests. A Federal court ordered the church to grant priesthood to blacks or lose their tax-exempt status. The church chose the former alternative, so everything I just told you has been swept under the rug.
Brigham Young, the second leader of the church, prophesied that if the church ever granted priesthood to blacks, God would rain fire down on the church. That prophesy has been swept under the rug too.
Yeah, but there are the Adolf Hitler types too. Eternal vigilance and all that stuff, you know.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#71002 Jan 14, 2013
Force Majeure wrote:
<quoted text>
1). YOUR POINT HOLDS NO WATER. There is absolutely no evidence that you, I, or anyone else exist, other than in our minds. Close your eyes, go to sleep and where are you? In a dream. Perhaps even while awake we're in a dream. Nothing else. In other words there is no evidence (in either direction) of anything pertaining to the meaning of life.
2). GOOD POINT. However, it neither supports nor denies the existance of a Creator. Just because we can see no logical reason for His existance doesn't mean He dosn't. Your point leaves us with a stale mate.
3). EVEN MORE CRIPTIC. I can only say that your comment ...
God: "I’ll create a great universe ...... stick humans on one tiny, insignificant ball of rock ..... just so they can worship me”.
Your assumption is that because the major "establised" religions proclaim that we should "worship Him" then it must be the sum of metaphisical belief on earth. Personally, I don't think one can make that assumption. Who's to say that God (if there is one) expects us to worship Him when all we've got is nothing to go by. No, no, no - don't even bring the Bible into it. There are no clues in that book other than what a hoard of superstitious men wrote in order to have something to believe in.
I know you said "Doubtful" but you have cast no more doubt against the possibility of an Allmighty creating the Big Bang than you have against Adam & Eve and the whole 7 day Creation thing. "Doubtful" is the wrong choice of word.
1/ Our bodies can be analysed, scanned, prodded, weighed etc. When we are asleep our bodies can be analysed, scanned, prodded, weighed etc. You don’t just disappear in a dream, all that happens is consciousness changes state. You cannot say the same for any god.
If you want to say that is not evidence how can you possibly make the claim that lack of these attributes is evidence?– see #2
Who was talking about the meaning of life? Oh you were! The answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything is 42. The meaning of life has nothing to so with some god standing on a pre universe and saying abracadabra. There is considerable evidence of what happened from 10^-34th of a second after the “big bang”. However it contradicts indoctrination into religion so is rejected out of hand by those so indoctrinated

2/ Nope, it highlights a discrepancy that godbots hang on to without realising the logic (or lack thereof). They make demands for evidence that they know cannot be obtained (certainly with current knowledge) and yet used the exact same argument as a validation for their belief. It highlights the hypocrisy of goddidit religions

3/ right. Not cryptic at all, you are simply unwilling to analyse the content of the comment.

I make no such assumption, my comment was based on the logical conclusion of the idea that goddidt. When put in understandable form it sounds silly, yes? I actually I think that people worship gods is because of childhood indoctrination and deliberate ignorance. Who is to say worship him? The babble and of course the ordained followers, i.e. the leaders of said religion. You cannot ignore the babble simply because it confirms my argument, the babble (the OT selectively copied from the Tanakh) and of course the Qur’an each dictate worship.

Oh disproving Adam and Eve of the babble is easy, they actually existed and there is evidence to prove it. That same evidence that many religious are content to use in the conviction of a suspected criminal with extremely high accuracy. DNA proves Adam lived about 75,000 years ago and Eve lived about 80,000 years earlier

No it’s not the wrong choice of word, there are a considerable number of independent causes for doubt.

“I started out with nothing”

Level 6

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#71003 Jan 14, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Most perversions are the product cultural bias. Are you preparing to introduce some as absolute?
Charles is stunted on so many levels, it degrades the conversation to address them on a one-by-one basis.
Nope, I am making a comparison between what he denigrates and what he worships and highlighting the hypocrisy of his statements

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71004 Jan 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
And the gods (all gods) are too
I would have to agree. It's just really us here now.

Level 2

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#71005 Jan 14, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Attention boring!!! Gays reserve the right to kill each other on springer...now GFY.
oh thanks but no thanks... I leave the flucking me to my boyfriend... He's awesome at it. As far as with yourself, well I think your hand corners that market very well.

Oh and I suspect your gametes that created you didn't spend very much time swimming in the gene pool... Aaaaaaaaaah.. what a shame

Level 2

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#71006 Jan 14, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Attention boring!!! Gays reserve the right to kill each other on springer...now GFY.
your mom and dad weren't very far from the Node were they... pity... mom kinda leaned heavy on the slime mold side hunh??? what a shame

Level 2

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#71007 Jan 14, 2013
sorry currently evolved slime molds I mean no offense to a comparison to old christards john's mom.. she was many generations in evolutionary progress behind you

Level 2

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#71008 Jan 14, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Attention boring!!! Gays reserve the right to kill each other on springer...now GFY.
hey could you post your picture, cause i'm sure I saw you in an episode of swamp people

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#71009 Jan 14, 2013
God is a delusion. We have been passing on this God gene for many many generations. And what did we accomplish? All kinds of mental illness, wars, bigotry and hatred. If we didn’t learn to reason, we will never find a cure for anything.

Religion can give you comfort but it won’t give you the ability to walk on water or raise someone from the dead.

Why the need for learning outdated wisdom when we can make progress with what we have now? Why the need to pray when we can make things happen? Why speak the language of the bible when what we need is learn foreign languages so we can understand other cultures, comprehend the language of different academic disciplines, and listen to the voice of others? Why the need to go to heaven when we can make this planet a better place?

It all comes down to what we make of ourselves with the strength of our minds. What you are is what you think. Now use your head!
Force Majeure

Sweden

#71011 Jan 14, 2013
You only think that you can see me but I'm actually on the planet Trafalgamore where everything always is and always will be.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#71012 Jan 14, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Attention PussyKoder...Easter is coming up and I suspect you'll be on your knees in WalMart worshipping chocolate bunnies...They are for the most part hollow, just like you.
Actually, I only like chocolate in my coffee. But meh, whatever you enjoy doing you can participate in, even when you worship something that doesn't even exist.

But you are correct, every human body is about 20% hollow, oddly enough. Most of your internal chest/abdomen cavaity is air.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71013 Jan 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
An advice, the use of capital letters or upper casing is not too ideal, moron.
Sexual perversion whether in marriages or not, are wrong and should be discouraged.
People who can't seem to handle the rudiments of grammar of subject-verb agreement in English are not in a position to criticize the capitalization of others.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71014 Jan 14, 2013
Just so you should know, I believe you. But not in the direction that you think.
Cybele wrote:
You believe it?
That you exhibit being at a different level of consciousness? Yes. But not "different" in the direction you think.
Cybele wrote:
So you want to join the rest of them?
The rest of whom?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71015 Jan 14, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
From your premise, i will simply call that an habit.
It's not a "habit". Even virgins know whether they are straight or gay.
Charles Idemi wrote:
How can a normal guy go after another guy of the same sex.
When he's a normal gay guy, it happens all the time.
Charles Idemi wrote:
If that habits continues, it might have a negative effects on human population growth.
Even gay people produce children. I guess you didn't realize that.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#71016 Jan 14, 2013
anonymous wrote:
Let me know when you can have a conversation. I'm not interested in your out of context sound bites.
How is it "out of context"? I included all of the relevant portions of your posting.

To have a conversation, one side makes a point, then the other responds, then the other makes a point. When you make more than one point in a single posting, I separate out each point and respond to each one.
anonymous wrote:
You use the word "we" as if you own it.
No, I use the word "we" because (1) I'm not the only person who supports the legal recognition of same-sex marriage, and (2), in the United States, the majority of adults support the legal recognition of same-sex marriage.
anonymous wrote:
Congress would be enacting laws if there was a majority at work, but they know that the majority votes at the voting booth, not in doorstep polls steered towards confirmation bias.
"Doorstep" polls? You really need to learn how polls are conducted. And Congress and the state legislatures have long lagged behind the majority position. Heck, Alabama didn't get rid of its constitutional amendment against *interracial* marriage until the year 2000.
anonymous wrote:
Now, you CAN argue about the Constitutionality but there isn't a word in the Constitution about marriage or sexual preference.
Which doesn't prevent the USSC from deciding the Constitutionality of a Federal or state law regarding marriage.
anonymous wrote:
Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the government position:
"Under the law, no U.S. state or political subdivision is required to recognize a same-sex marriage from another state. Section 3 of DOMA..."
Which government? Obama's administration? Nope. Obama endorses the repeal of DOMA.
anonymous wrote:
...to be allowing your particular illness to be a part of.
I don't have an "illness". The medical jury is still out about your exhibited homophobia.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#71017 Jan 14, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you should know, I have a different level of consciousness. I don't feel the need to share that with you because it would be a waste of time. You wouldn't believe any of it. poof!
interesting topic...(levels of consciousness)

have you ever experienced the state of nonverbal consciousness?

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71018 Jan 14, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I am currently debating at a Christian Forum too, it goes by the name of "Christian Forums". You are supposed to be very polite and not offend anyone there. I don't think I will last too long, the moderators don't seem to apply the rules equally to atheists and Christians.
My experience exactly.
I got kicked off of a forum entitled Evolution Fairy Tale,
and they never explained why.

“ROCK ON ROCKERS!!”

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Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#71019 Jan 14, 2013
SO with AZ this TALK about GAY this and that..ARE you saying THAT perhaps, GAYS "evolved" from Eve's temptation to BITE that Apple on a DARE..to see WHETHER or NOT she DESIRED Adam or NOT? Were GAYS created to see WHETHER or NOT they could play well with others and vice versa? Exactly, how close are we..to REALIZING THAT it is the SPIRIT WHO is IN LOVE with another Spirit..AND if it is the same sex so be in. Thr HYPE on GAY Marriage is a Faust.. People marry for LOVE NOT SEX..LOVE RULES!! So, WHY do the lawmakers have ANY say so in GAYS wanting to marry?? THEY and the Church NEED to BUTT OUT..and Let GAYS marry..for better or for worse..
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#71020 Jan 14, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Not the governments job.

Last I saw, you're the only one claiming to be from Nigeria on this site. Where do you get off advising members of democracies to engage in government sanctioned bullying?
Of course that is government's job.

Look at how many nations the USA is bullying around the world. We are in a perpetual state of war as de facto world policemen. Almost always preying on small weak nations with no hope of defending themselves against "the evil empire". We seem to have no problem reigning death down upon them from up above.

From discouraging bigotry to discouraging gun violence to discouraging meth labs to discouraging hard working immigrants from keeping their jobs we act just as much the bully at home. Things like homosexuality and pedophilia also need to be ruthlessly discouraged.

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