Evolution vs. Creation

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#70879 Jan 13, 2013
I seem to find it quite ironic that science's concept of Nothing, must contain at the very least possibility...and my question would be if Nothing contains possibility...should it truly be considered Nothing?

Matthew 19:26

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Alien Outlaw

Kansas City, MO

#70880 Jan 13, 2013
xoxo wrote:
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Actually science is saying that the Universe came from nothing.
God would have to be out side of time in space to create the Universe...and being out side of time and space, he would not be subject to birth and death...therefore he would be immortal.
Science thinks the Big Bang created everything.....that's absurd! In human terms it makes sense. In the scope of understanding infinite space...its a theory, nothing more.

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#70881 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Does not necessarily follow. If (a) God exists then it exists in a multiverse and has the capability to make other universes. That does not necessarily mean that it is immune to death. It also leaves you with the problem of how it exists in the first place, or if it is eternal as you claim, how and why this is possible too.
In short, it pretty much explains diddly.
"It also leaves you with the problem of how it exists in the first place..."

your trying to imply a scientific idea of cause and effect to an infinity...why?

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#70882 Jan 13, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Science thinks the Big Bang created everything.....that's absurd! In human terms it makes sense. In the scope of understanding infinite space...its a theory, nothing more.
Science seems to have a problem with the concept of a infinity...it's kinda like the idea of an infinite "God"...they tend to deny that which they cannot grasp....(ad infinitum)

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#70883 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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you working on any ideas in particular right now?
Yes lots of things brought up here got me all thinking! where should I start is the question

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#70884 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
I seem to find it quite ironic that science's concept of Nothing, must contain at the very least possibility...and my question would be if Nothing contains possibility...should it truly be considered Nothing?
No, there is no such thing as nothing. Reality isn't just the three dimensional space that we know.

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Everett, WA

#70885 Jan 13, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Science thinks the Big Bang created everything.....that's absurd! In human terms it makes sense. In the scope of understanding infinite space...its a theory, nothing more.
And you just proved your ignorance. Anyone who says the phrase "just a theory" or its equivalent, does not know what a scientific theory is.

By the way what evidence do you have that space is infinite? That is not a mistake that scientists will make. Without evidence they will not claim that space is infinite or bounded. In fact that is one question that they are still studying.

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#70886 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Yes lots of things brought up here got me all thinking! where should I start is the question
depends on how deep ya really want to go...

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#70887 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No, there is no such thing as nothing. Reality isn't just the three dimensional space that we know.
exactly...I agree.

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#70888 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No, there is no such thing as nothing. Reality isn't just the three dimensional space that we know.
Nothing only exist as a concept...it's a relative idea.

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Bellevue, WA

#70889 Jan 13, 2013
simple evolution is based on reallity and creationism is based on mythical superstitions

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#70890 Jan 13, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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And you just proved your ignorance. Anyone who says the phrase "just a theory" or its equivalent, does not know what a scientific theory is.
By the way what evidence do you have that space is infinite? That is not a mistake that scientists will make. Without evidence they will not claim that space is infinite or bounded. In fact that is one question that they are still studying.
like the theory that the Universe was slowing down?...but now it's speeding up?

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

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Bellevue, WA

#70891 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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like the theory that the Universe was slowing down?...but now it's speeding up?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
that never was a scientific theory... nice try tho

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#70893 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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depends on how deep ya really want to go...
as deep as the ocean
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70892 Jan 13, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Science thinks the Big Bang created everything.....that's absurd! In human terms it makes sense. In the scope of understanding infinite space...its a theory, nothing more.
So's gravity.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70894 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"It also leaves you with the problem of how it exists in the first place..."
your trying to imply a scientific idea of cause and effect to an infinity...why?
You're trying to imply cause and effect to quantum phenomena. Why?

The reason why I apply cause and effect to yours is because cause and effect is the ENTIRE justification for your "god hypothesis". In which case in order to remain true to your premise, your answer must also be privy to cause and effect. If it isn't, then there's not necessarily any reason that the universe should be either. We do at least have evidence of the universe.

Don't worry though, if you find the cause and effect thing suddenly inconvenient there are still one or two other scientific hypotheses regarding the causation of the universe which do still comply with cause and effect.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70895 Jan 13, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Science seems to have a problem with the concept of a infinity
Not really.
xxxooxxx wrote:
it's kinda like the idea of an infinite "God"...they tend to deny that which they cannot grasp....(ad infinitum)
No need to deny what is not in evidence. Especially something which its own proponents also admit to not being able to grasp.

Much like when Alien Outlaw claimed that aliens beyond human comprehension are controlling humans. Of course I don't know for certain but I'm guessing that Alien Outlaw is a human. Ironic, no?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70896 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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No, there is no such thing as nothing. Reality isn't just the three dimensional space that we know.
Nope! It's at least four. Possibly more, but they're only abstract mathematical models at this time.

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#70897 Jan 13, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>that never was a scientific theory... nice try tho
so the theory of the Universe expanding and then slowing down, collapsing into a singularity was never a theory?

really now...

prove it.

The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70898 Jan 13, 2013
Lililth_Satans_Bore wrote:
<quoted text>that never was a scientific theory... nice try tho
It is unfortunate that scientists sometimes make the mistake of using the word "theory" for ease of use when in actuality they mean "hypothesis". Kinda like String Theory even though it's only a hypothesis. This sometimes has the effect of making scientific laypeople believing they have valid criticisms of scientific concepts they don't understand.

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