Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70841 Jan 13, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Why not?
Do you think that procreation only happens within the boundaries of marriage?]
May I ask you a side question?
Do you know what a gene is?


You can thank me later.

:-p
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70842 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
There is only one way to have sex and not sin. The marriage bed is the only place that is not unclean or dirty and defiled in the sight of God.
Which position?

Whoa, wait! Marriage? Screw that!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70843 Jan 13, 2013
ROCK wrote:
<quoted text>The red object behind the bearded man must be a Roman flag.
Still not caring Mikey.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70844 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
...and you stay out of my discussions! I won't have you co-opting my logic or distracting weasels from putting their image where their mouth is.
Hey, be nice! Chuck's with you on the whole gay thang.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70845 Jan 13, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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So you're saying that it's wrong for a married couple to have sex in the back seat of a car? Or in their living room?
Depends on how big they are.(shrug)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70846 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you mention social predators who hold power in this society. Let's see how they are using their tools for their own benefit instead of mankind. Does that empower you? Are you demonizing them because their motives didn't serve your best interest? Perhaps that is your excuse for you to express your own prejudices. You ostracize people that you don't see fit in your imagined utopia. Who is dreaming now? I am not dreaming all the time, mind you. Most of the time I am just AWARE.
That's a bit vague. Of course, I don't endorse predatory behavior. Am I engaging in it, or is my sense of morality misdirected? You can question all you want, but if you don't got anything in the game, does it matter?

I don't think I ostracize but I am willing to point out obviously complicated situations and rudeness masked as "belief" that all gets painted over with sound bites. Would you rather polite platitudes that just bore everyone to death?

This is an anonymous forum. Anyone can choose to advertize their identity or pick something a bit deceptive, or none at all. It doesn't matter to me. As our FBI friends might say; "Just the facts, ma'am." In this environment, opinions can matter too, but it's important to separate the two.

Science and opinion are just not going to get along. Science and belief are far worse together. If you don't like getting caught in the middle, it's important to acknowledge those boundaries or you'll end up speaking in tongues and hoping that others can decode it all. Don't we have enough of THAT around here?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70847 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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How about if I say God is in all shape, size, and form.
Well I guess that narrows it down!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70848 Jan 13, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
I'm not the one claiming that one exists. The person making the claim needs to describe it.
<quoted text>
If I said that blizzblats come in all shapes, sizes, and forms, would you know any more about what a blizzblat *is* than you did before?
How DARE you question the All-Powerful Blizzblat!!!

>:-(
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70849 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I choose to kind of call it God because the oneness of everything is something that I experience all the time. I experience the parts of a whole and take its entirety as one embodiment. And because this experience is in human form, it's just appropriate to relate to it like any other human would relate to another human. lol.
Why do I even try to explain the unexplicable?
Beats me.(shrug)

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70850 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Which position?
Whoa, wait! Marriage? Screw that!
It's more like "Screw who?"
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#70851 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
The KAMA SUTRA!
Okay, well not really, that's just fun.
http://www.cduniverse.com/bonzo-dog-band-kama...

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70852 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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That's a bit vague. Of course, I don't endorse predatory behavior. Am I engaging in it, or is my sense of morality misdirected? You can question all you want, but if you don't got anything in the game, does it matter?
I don't think I ostracize but I am willing to point out obviously complicated situations and rudeness masked as "belief" that all gets painted over with sound bites. Would you rather polite platitudes that just bore everyone to death?
This is an anonymous forum. Anyone can choose to advertize their identity or pick something a bit deceptive, or none at all. It doesn't matter to me. As our FBI friends might say; "Just the facts, ma'am." In this environment, opinions can matter too, but it's important to separate the two.
Science and opinion are just not going to get along. Science and belief are far worse together. If you don't like getting caught in the middle, it's important to acknowledge those boundaries or you'll end up speaking in tongues and hoping that others can decode it all. Don't we have enough of THAT around here?
ME nothing in the game? I AM GAME. muhahaha! If you want to play the dominant role, then bring it. You can start with spanking my behind but I charge back, so watch it ol' man!

Science need opinionated facts too.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70853 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Funny.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70854 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, be nice! Chuck's with you on the whole gay thang.
Tragic, yes?

Actually, I'm all for civil rights but this isn't it. I'm for a degree of socialism too, but in small increments, not in mandates that have no specified end date. Personally, I don't like the State meddling in marriage at all. Create a universal civil union contract that has no basis on sex and leave it at that.

The Church can even bar people from marriage if they have not gotten that contract, but get rid of the State sanctioning of any types of sexual relationships and stop punishing men and women for pregnancies out of wedlock. Stop subsidizing breeding. Yes, you can have school lunch programs if your district wants them. Just don't set up tax codes that put money in peoples pockets for being a parent. If they can't afford to have kids, DON'T!

This is a form of behavior modification on the part of the State. All of those efforts are destined to fester the evil at work, not fix it. The gay "thang"? Well, watch and see!

Rationality isn't at work here. Party loyalists won't ever see it though so it's important to address behavior modification WITH behavior modification!(behavior modification: yet another bland platitude that amounts to state authorized bullying) They can walk away anytime! They won't!:)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70855 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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ME nothing in the game? I AM GAME. muhahaha! If you want to play the dominant role, then bring it. You can start with spanking my behind but I charge back, so watch it ol' man!
Science need opinionated facts too.
No it doesn't!

Silly wabbit! I don't hunt, but I might set the occasional trap for those who aren't thinking clearly!

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#70856 Jan 13, 2013
sickofit wrote:
HAVEING KIDS IS NOT WHAT MARRIAGE IS ABOUT MORON....Being married is about two people becomeing partners..

I thought marriage was about both.
Don't we have both a mating instinct and a parental instinct?
And don't both instincts play an Evolutionary function?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70857 Jan 13, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Elephants have trunks.
Does that make you less of a man? Woody and Buzzlightyear!

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#70858 Jan 13, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Trees have also came in variety from the beginning and they are among the oldest living things.

Anonymous wrote:
What is your point and why does the longevity of trees play into it?

I understood Free Servant to imply that if the trees date back from so long ago, that implies that they speciated that long ago.
If they speciated that long ago, then it is most likely that all of life speciated from the very beginning.
That, in turn, implies that every kind was created in the very beginning, as Creationism predicts, and that we are not all descended from a lowly protozoa, as Evolutionary theory predicts.

Please, that is only my interpretation of what Free Servant meant.
Free Servant, is that what you meant?

Level 5

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#70859 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
That's probably because we don't have all the answers.

Cybele wrote:
That's why I keep searching...sigh.

Then you need the company of other people who are searching.
Scientifically minded people can provide that sort of company.
Religiously minded people cannot provide that sort of company because all they have is pat answers, and they expect you to be content with those pat answers.

Cybele wrote:
Until people are in my shoes, they won't understand my perspective. It's not about what feels good to me,
It's what I can make sense out of what's right before me.

I think I understand you.
I tried yoga. I tried pyramid power. I tried the BahaíI Faith. I tried Christian Science. I tried the Unification Church.
You name it, Iíve tried it.
But nothing made sense.
At first, Evolutionary theory didnít make sense either.
I had to ask questions and I had to think about the answers which I was given.
I donít have all the answers I want even now, but Iím a darn sight farther along than I was when I was when I was trying religion and new age pap.

Iím not asking you to hop on the bandwagon, but Iím inviting you to keep studying.
If the Evolutionists on this forum are rude to you, donít take it personally.
Weíre not trained propagandists like the cult members are.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#70860 Jan 13, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
sickofit wrote:
HAVEING KIDS IS NOT WHAT MARRIAGE IS ABOUT MORON....Being married is about two people becomeing partners..
I thought marriage was about both.
Don't we have both a mating instinct and a parental instinct?
And don't both instincts play an Evolutionary function?
Instinct also has nothing to do with a CIVIL RIGHT..........This is all about a legal civil contract between two people.......NO RELIGION NO HATE NO BIGOTRY CHANGES THAT FACT.

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