Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 222984 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70816 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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With that kind of mentality you will not find the truth. You just want to be an antagonist. That can be self-destructing. So if that's the route you want to take, by all means, be it. No one is stopping you. You still fill the void of life.
No, that's the opposite of scientific method. It kind of reminds me of the old "Planet of the Apes" TV show, where the ape insists that you must plow up the hill so you can give the horse a rest as you plow down the hill. First, the logic has no bearing on the second law of thermodynamics. Second, downhill furrows cause erosion.

Scientific method isn't about what feels good. It's one hundred percent absolutely about the provable. If the statistics favor something but it's not absolute, you can adjust your theory or refine your test, but you can't just ignore the exceptions and insist on something that may just be a manifestation of your own prejudices.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70817 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I have tried. But it didn't make sense.
That's probably because we don't have all the answers.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70818 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are again between the devil and the deep blue sea( dilemma).
You are between a dog biscuit and bituminous coal.(utter nonsense!)

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70819 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>That's probably because we don't have all the answers.
That's why I keep searching...sigh.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70820 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that's the opposite of scientific method. It kind of reminds me of the old "Planet of the Apes" TV show, where the ape insists that you must plow up the hill so you can give the horse a rest as you plow down the hill. First, the logic has no bearing on the second law of thermodynamics. Second, downhill furrows cause erosion.
Scientific method isn't about what feels good. It's one hundred percent absolutely about the provable. If the statistics favor something but it's not absolute, you can adjust your theory or refine your test, but you can't just ignore the exceptions and insist on something that may just be a manifestation of your own prejudices.
Until people are in my shoes, they won't understand my perspective. It's not about what feels good to me, it's what I can make sense out of what's right before me.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70821 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
Then what is the essence of men, women and children?
Being human.
Charles Idemi wrote:
If men are going after men likewise women, how can there be continuity of human race?
Because humanity is a *mixture* of straights and gays. Not every individual needs to procreate in order for the species to continue.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70822 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Until people are in my shoes, they won't understand my perspective. It's not about what feels good to me, it's what I can make sense out of what's right before me.
How do you *reliably* distinguish between what's "right before you" and a vivid imagination?
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#70823 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Until people are in my shoes, they won't understand my perspective. It's not about what feels good to me, it's what I can make sense out of what's right before me.
The dreams thing? I have dreams all the time. They aren't mine. They're the #$%$^ that people feed me as if I wasn't looking their way. I don't think you'll ever be able to distinguish between the lies that people try to bait you with from their own subconscious fantasies and denial. None the less, you're no more likely to profit from your dreams than you are to win the lottery.

Just my cynical observation.

I've more or less stated this before. If you really were paying attention, you'd be dissecting people's words down to their minimalist values, pronouns, verbs and other "suggestive" things that snake oil types want you to believe in.

The real epiphany here is to accept how completely some people are social predators, and how many of them there are, and how many of them are in the places of power. They'll give you comfort when you're down just to steal your wallet. They pathologically don't have normal moral values, so don't just go wandering down dark allies looking for "truth".
sickofit

Hayfield, MN

#70824 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Hmmm!
But come to think of it, how can people of the same sex be marriage partners?
That is ridiculous, how can they procreate or reproduce?
HAVEING KIDS IS NOT WHAT MARRIAGE IS ABOUT MORON....Being married is about two people becomeing partners..

NOW TAKE YOUR STONE AGE NAZI CULT AND STAY OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESS...OK HITLER????????

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#70825 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Until people are in my shoes, they won't understand my perspective. It's not about what feels good to me, it's what I can make sense out of what's right before me.
All you can do is try to communicate your perspective using the means available. I think you are trying to take us someplace, I am not always sure if you are finding the best words to convey us on that journey. These forums aren't always the best medium to do that either. It would be a distinct waste of time for anyone to try and dissect every word posted here for some hidden meaning, just as it is often difficult to find the right words to post.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70826 Jan 13, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>The dreams thing? I have dreams all the time. They aren't mine. They're the #$%$^ that people feed me as if I wasn't looking their way. I don't think you'll ever be able to distinguish between the lies that people try to bait you with from their own subconscious fantasies and denial. None the less, you're no more likely to profit from your dreams than you are to win the lottery.
Just my cynical observation.
I've more or less stated this before. If you really were paying attention, you'd be dissecting people's words down to their minimalist values, pronouns, verbs and other "suggestive" things that snake oil types want you to believe in.
The real epiphany here is to accept how completely some people are social predators, and how many of them there are, and how many of them are in the places of power. They'll give you comfort when you're down just to steal your wallet. They pathologically don't have normal moral values, so don't just go wandering down dark allies looking for "truth".
Now you mention social predators who hold power in this society. Let's see how they are using their tools for their own benefit instead of mankind. Does that empower you? Are you demonizing them because their motives didn't serve your best interest? Perhaps that is your excuse for you to express your own prejudices. You ostracize people that you don't see fit in your imagined utopia. Who is dreaming now? I am not dreaming all the time, mind you. Most of the time I am just AWARE.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70827 Jan 13, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you *reliably* distinguish between what's "right before you" and a vivid imagination?
I know when to trust my senses
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70828 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing wrong with someone believing God created it. What should concern Science is HOW God did it.
Why should that concern them? Since there is no more evidence for a "God" than there is of the Cosmic Sheep of dimension Zog. Since the hurdles for scientifically demonstrating both are EXACTLY the same, shouldn't science merely be concerned with how it all came about?

Best only to deal with more specifics only when evidence of those specifics come to light. Hypothesizing is good, but only if it be potentially scientific.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70829 Jan 13, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>All you can do is try to communicate your perspective using the means available. I think you are trying to take us someplace, I am not always sure if you are finding the best words to convey us on that journey. These forums aren't always the best medium to do that either. It would be a distinct waste of time for anyone to try and dissect every word posted here for some hidden meaning, just as it is often difficult to find the right words to post.
No I'm just going through the motions and going with the punches. The ebb and flow of life that is. And then I learned to roll with the punch and just go with the flow!

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70830 Jan 13, 2013
How do you *reliably* distinguish between what's "right before you" and a vivid imagination?
Cybele wrote:
I know when to trust my senses
And you know this how?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70831 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
what makes no sense is how we existed without an external agent.
To YOU. Your personal incredulity is irrelevant.
Cybele wrote:
Just because you have no proof of God, doesn't mean there is none.
Correct. But your incredulity does not mean there must be one either.
Cybele wrote:
Which is why that makes him more of a God because your little brain can't comprehend it.
Can yours? Well um, actually no. Unless you happen to be the first person on the planet who is able to present a "scientific theory" of creationism.

But since we're talking about an allegedly intelligent entity who creates universes in its spare time, my guess is it would be incomprehensible to any in-universe organism.(shrug)
Cybele wrote:
You don't make a good detective. lol
And you're proposing a culprit before there's even evidence of a crime.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70832 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Energy has always existed.
Not necessarily.
Cybele wrote:
It just takes another form - from non-living to living and from living to non-living.
Careful, that may gain you the ire of many a creationist!

:-p
Cybele wrote:
There is no such thing as NOTHING.
Elephants have trunks.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70833 Jan 13, 2013
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Charles Idemi wrote:
What has gay rights got to do with the rights of human beings?
is it because they were negroes?
Who is "they"?
I thought some gays were Black and some were White.
And all are human.

Well, except for these for example:

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/unca...

Which just goes to demonstrate that such behaviour is observed in nature, making it a natural occurrence. Despite the protests of bigoted fundies.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70834 Jan 13, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> But the Negroes are not whites either.
Gay rights or perversions?
What then, is the essence of procreation or reproduction?
The KAMA SUTRA!

Okay, well not really, that's just fun.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70835 Jan 13, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
that's not an answer. You have to describe what constitute God first and foremost.
Actually I always thought that was the job of those who propose that it's scientifically relevant.

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