Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 173980 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#70627 Jan 11, 2013
I know DNA damage is different from a mutation but perhaps the electric shock causes both to occur in the DNA.

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#70628 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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I read that there are environmental factors that affect or damage DNA cells such as UV light and radiation. And also 'electric shock' is one of them. Do you think because in cloning electric shock is administered to the the egg to activate the nucleus or cell division that it damages the DNA causing deleterious mutations?
Yes, environmental effects damage DNA. It's quite possible the electric shock could do something, but whatever effect it has is very likely minimal.

Rather, the problems likely have something to do with the absence of epigenetic cues. Nuclear DNA does not have the methylation that gametic DNA does; most nuclear DNA is simply switched off. The shock turns it back on, so it can build a new individual. However, that individual is built in the absence of the environmental cues that all normal individuals develop because of (not only within).

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#70629 Jan 12, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Zionism? That is bs. Our interest in Israel is not really about the Jews. It is about Moral Majority types who really could care less about the Jews (as non Christians the Jews are destined for hell anyway in their religious ideology) but for religious reasons they still support the state of Israel. Even more than the American Jews. A rather bipolar worldview.
No reason to blame it on Jewish zionists or the Israel lobby.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2012/04/05/jews

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#70630 Jan 12, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Zionism? That is bs. Our interest in Israel is not really about the Jews. It is about Moral Majority types who really could care less about the Jews (as non Christians the Jews are destined for hell anyway in their religious ideology) but for religious reasons they still support the state of Israel. Even more than the American Jews. A rather bipolar worldview.
No reason to blame it on Jewish zionists or the Israel lobby.
Ofcourse. But they are gradually getting the orientation presently.

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#70631 Jan 12, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Zionism? That is bs. Our interest in Israel is not really about the Jews. It is about Moral Majority types who really could care less about the Jews (as non Christians the Jews are destined for hell anyway in their religious ideology) but for religious reasons they still support the state of Israel. Even more than the American Jews. A rather bipolar worldview.
No reason to blame it on Jewish zionists or the Israel lobby.
Take a look at this:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/05/jews

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#70633 Jan 12, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I have a friend who's medical research is on how to increase fertility in eggs used to make test tube babies :)
Really? Is it natural process or does one have to take hormone shots?

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#70634 Jan 12, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Take a look at this:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/05/jews
It's more like politics. Politicians are Pro-Israel. Nothing to do with Jesus.

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#70635 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Really? Is it natural process or does one have to take hormone shots?
Well, he's a medical researcher, so he's looking at how certain drugs affect eggs and fertility. So far, he hasn't found anything. Sucks to be him.

However, if you're doing the whole test tube thing, and you're a woman, there's lots of injections required.

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#70636 Jan 12, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Well, he's a medical researcher, so he's looking at how certain drugs affect eggs and fertility. So far, he hasn't found anything. Sucks to be him.
That would be an interesting subject as I studied pharmacology. lol
Are you talking about narcotics or prescription drugs?

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#70637 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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It's more like politics. Politicians are Pro-Israel. Nothing to do with Jesus.
The land of Israel presently, is a testimony of Jesus existence and the biblical stories.

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#70638 Jan 12, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The land of Israel presently, is a testimony of Jesus existence and the biblical stories.
Watch the videos on you tube called "Ring of Power"

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#70639 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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That would be an interesting subject as I studied pharmacology. lol
Are you talking about narcotics or prescription drugs?
Prescription. No, I don't know the drugs, sorry. He's just trying to demonstrate that some new drug and method can increase fertility. Unfortunately for him, his results were negative. I personally think that's great, it needs to be published, too, but he's not happy and is just running more tests...

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#70640 Jan 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Watch the videos on you tube called "Ring of Power"
We have so many videos in the world, some are true while some are false.
I don't see any politics in that land called Israel,
because it was initially a non arable land, until the Jews did their home work.

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#70641 Jan 12, 2013
The land of Israel is a land with little or no importance until the Jews transformed it.
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#70642 Jan 12, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The land of Israel presently, is a testimony of Jesus existence and the biblical stories.
To Date!!

Who let you back on the public library system anyway? Aren't you on some kind of quest for the Lady of the Lake or something? You should head on over to Israel. It's to the east. You can't miss it.

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#70643 Jan 12, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>To Date!!
Who let you back on the public library system anyway? Aren't you on some kind of quest for the Lady of the Lake or something? You should head on over to Israel. It's to the east. You can't miss it.
You don't have an idea of what you are talking about.

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#70645 Jan 12, 2013
Of course, people who try to hijack threads for purposes other than the topic of the thread are certainly acting in an anti-social way, don't you think?
Cybele wrote:
You are giving a different meaning to anti-social
Different in what way?

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Don't you think it takes judgment to determine if someone else's argument is illogical and contains logical fallacies?
Cybele wrote:
No you are not using your 'own' judgement but following a set of rules for logical arguments.
How would one go about determining *how* the rules apply without using judgment?
Cybele wrote:
We can't apply those set of rules in every type of argument.
Why not?

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#70646 Jan 12, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
Of course, people who try to hijack threads for purposes other than the topic of the thread are certainly acting in an anti-social way, don't you think?
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Different in what way?
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Don't you think it takes judgment to determine if someone else's argument is illogical and contains logical fallacies?
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How would one go about determining *how* the rules apply without using judgment?
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Why not?
First of all, not all arguments are formal, so certain rules don't apply. If you think you are using judgement by pointing out fallacies, it's not really your own. You're just identifying them.

definition of judgement:

"the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind."

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#70647 Jan 12, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Actually we will never run out of oil. It will just keep getting more and more expensive. It will eventually get priced off of the market. Though that will not happen for a while. As the price goes up and technology improves what used to be unretrievable will become economical. Even if oil cost $100.00 a gallon there are some uses of it that will still be of value. Driving a car probably will be not one of them at that point.
True enough. I took the cheap way out by using "run out" rather than a paragraph.

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#70648 Jan 12, 2013
Don't you think it takes judgment to determine if someone else's argument is illogical and contains logical fallacies?
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How would one go about determining *how* the rules apply without using judgment?
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Why not?
Cybele wrote:
First of all, not all arguments are formal, so certain rules don't apply.
Which rules don't apply, and why don't they?
Cybele wrote:
If you think you are using judgement by pointing out fallacies, it's not really your own. You're just identifying them.
definition of judgement:
"the forming of an opinion, estimate, notion, or conclusion, as from circumstances presented to the mind."
If you form an opinion that a person's argument fits into the category of a particular logical fallacy, how is that not judgment?

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