Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 219629 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“what we think we become”

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#70508 Jan 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Twins.
Besides, if we can clone dolly the sheep we could eventually clone humans deliberately at some point.
Yes but cloning an animal is different than cloning humans. We don't raise humans like how we take care of animals. Scientists need to know how a clone affects psychology of both the donor/mother and the clone. Should they be separated or should they have a relationship? Like an adopted child, should she know she is a clone or live a life without knowing it? think about the implications.

“what we think we become”

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#70509 Jan 10, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Keep reading. I have other more interesting bits of data I am reading, to myself (because no I do NOT like company when I am doing serious reading, not at all in fact) at the moment. You wouldn't like it-it's very realistic, and truthful--as in very opposite of what the spoon-fed, lemming herd pack media squawk, parrot and ignorantly repeat, would have the masses of dupes believe (but what many never believed to start with--the ones that can handle REAL truths anyway).
Do enjoy learning more about insects though!
then you can get off my back.

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#70510 Jan 10, 2013
Christopher Keller wrote:
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Cybele, human cloning is very possible and could be done right now with enough effort and money. The problem with cloning is that it would always tend to bring slavery back into modern society. This cannot be permitted, so I doubt that cloning will ever be openly done as it threatens the social order.
I'm curious about why you think cloning would bring back slavery? Is it because of the legal status of a clone?

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#70511 Jan 10, 2013
or bug off

“what we think we become”

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#70512 Jan 10, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Keep reading. I have other more interesting bits of data
Do enjoy learning more about insects though!
source?

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#70513 Jan 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Yes but cloning an animal is different than cloning humans. We don't raise humans like how we take care of animals. Scientists need to know how a clone affects psychology of both the donor/mother and the clone. Should they be separated or should they have a relationship? Like an adopted child, should she know she is a clone or live a life without knowing it? think about the implications.
You've thought about this. A clone would have to be raised by someone. Unless or until technology was developed to transfer the knowledge, personality and experiences of the donor to the clone, the clone would still essentially be a different person. Like a twin born years later and in a totally different environment.

I think people have not learned the lessons of Blade Runner very well.

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#70514 Jan 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You've thought about this. A clone would have to be raised by someone. Unless or until technology was developed to transfer the knowledge, personality and experiences of the donor to the clone, the clone would still essentially be a different person. Like a twin born years later and in a totally different environment.
I think people have not learned the lessons of Blade Runner very well.
That doesn't answer my questions

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#70515 Jan 10, 2013
Why does the clone need the knowledge, personality, and experiences of the donor? She will have her own.
Duhbasesayz

London, KY

#70516 Jan 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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then you can get off my back.
Sorry, I don't DO stuff like that. Ewe.
Duhbasesayz

London, KY

#70517 Jan 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>You've thought about this. A clone would have to be raised by someone. Unless or until technology was developed to transfer the knowledge, personality and experiences of the donor to the clone, the clone would still essentially be a different person. Like a twin born years later and in a totally different environment.
I think people have not learned the lessons of Blade Runner very well.
Is that about dimensions in the relativity of time?

(Just thought I'd ax)

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#70518 Jan 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Why does the clone need the knowledge, personality, and experiences of the donor? She will have her own.
That is what I mean. Unless some technology comes along that allows the donor personality, knowledge, and experiences to be transferred, the clone will be essentially a different person.

Despite the fact that cloning is possible, the transference of what makes a person a unique individucal is purely fiction at this point and may never be possible. Why people might want to do it if it were possible is anyones guess. Psuedo-immortality. A back-up. It could be for any reason. I say legitimize the clones as full citizens, raise them as you would any child and leave them to develop their own personalities. My opinion is biased as a member of FOTC (Friends Of The Clones), but that is what I think.

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#70520 Jan 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>That is what I mean. Unless some technology comes along that allows the donor personality, knowledge, and experiences to be transferred, the clone will be essentially a different person.
Despite the fact that cloning is possible, the transference of what makes a person a unique individucal is purely fiction at this point and may never be possible. Why people might want to do it if it were possible is anyones guess. Psuedo-immortality. A back-up. It could be for any reason. I say legitimize the clones as full citizens, raise them as you would any child and leave them to develop their own personalities. My opinion is biased as a member of FOTC (Friends Of The Clones), but that is what I think.
Too many people have been watching too much bad sci-fi.

A human cloning gets you one human newborn. That is all.

No reason to treat it any differently from any other...

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#70521 Jan 10, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Well that is just stupid. Why would cloned humans be treated like slaves or threaten social order? Is it because scientists haven't proven anything about the intelligence or health of a clone?
A cloned human would be created for a specific purpose. A soldier. A basketball player. A musician.

For a given purpose by someone with power.

As a slave.
Alien Outlaw

Beardstown, IL

#70522 Jan 10, 2013
Christopher Keller wrote:
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A cloned human would be created for a specific purpose. A soldier. A basketball player. A musician.
For a given purpose by someone with power.
As a slave.
Finally, a primitive brain that works, with the ability to ......think. Why do humans study other humans? For the benefit of a few........privileged, wealthy....its a game...its tilting....ready to collapse..........There are humans on this earth as evil as hell!
Givemehumbleanyd ay

London, KY

#70523 Jan 10, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>Finally, a primitive brain that works, with the ability to ......think. Why do humans study other humans? For the benefit of a few........privileged, wealthy....its a game...its tilting....ready to collapse..........There are humans on this earth as evil as hell!
That kind if DNA can go straight to the garbage bin labeled "TOXINS"...for the next dumpsta pick up.

Why mankind can only DREAM about being "God"(s). They'll always screw something up.
Givemehumbleanyd ay

London, KY

#70524 Jan 10, 2013
Christopher Keller wrote:
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A cloned human would be created for a specific purpose. A soldier. A basketball player. A musician.
For a given purpose by someone with power.
As a slave.
That's illegal, unethical, inhumane and just...wrong.

It also would LACK the "plasticity" element, and therefore would NOT be 100 percent cloned to start with, theoretically impossible, because something already alive and already in existence, even a minute old, would be an immediate evolutionary alteration...thus NO exact clone.

Back to the petri dishes...
Alien Outlaw

Beardstown, IL

#70525 Jan 10, 2013
Givemehumbleanyday wrote:
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That kind if DNA can go straight to the garbage bin labeled "TOXINS"...for the next dumpster pick up.
Why mankind can only DREAM about being "God"(s). They'll always screw something up.
To many galaxies to count/comprehend and still the primitive human animal talks about this guy that walked on water........WOW!!! And no, that "wow" was not a blimp on the SETI radar. The "contact" in human terms is no different than the religious beliefs of all humans.....a fantasy world!!!
Givemehumbleanyd ay

London, KY

#70526 Jan 10, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>To many galaxies to count/comprehend and still the primitive human animal talks about this guy that walked on water........WOW!!! And no, that "wow" was not a blimp on the SETI radar. The "contact" in human terms is no different than the religious beliefs of all humans.....a fantasy world!!!
Tsk, petri dishes are real.
Duh.

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#70527 Jan 10, 2013
Seriously, WTF.

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#70528 Jan 10, 2013
Cybele, what is your point in saying that animals of other species can't clone themselves?
That we have unique gifts, and therefore are God's chosen species, and therefore must have been created rather than evolved?
We have heard that line before.
Other species have unique gifts, too.
Cheetahs probably feel sorry for us because we can't swim as fast as they can.
Elephants probably feel sorry for us because we can't carry heavy logs with our noses.
Bombadier beetles probably feel sorry for us because we can't excrete toxins in an enemy's face.

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