Evolution vs. Creation

[DanFromSmithvill e]

Drew Smith wrote:

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So, using your own argument, if you had been confident in your position, you wouldn't have responded. Yet you did.
I guess that means you're not very confident.

I don't care if he was trying to save face. Hell, I would have left it at that, but he accused me of something in a conversation I was having with someone else, then he accuses you of the same thing. I know we all probably have done it ourselves however intented, but I don't like hyopcrisy and double standards. I think it was Free Willy, that responded to anonymous first attempt on my post by pointing out his hypocrisy of labelling me. This was even before I responded. It isn't like he does this and no one notices.

It is odd, that a person would defend the mentally ill because of the reasons he has stated, but attack others for their sexuality when those people have no more choice in the matter than a mentally ill person has in choosing to have a mental illness. I hope you will not think I am trying to equate the two, they just happen to be the connection between my arguments with anonymous and yours. Still, you would think he would be more open minded.

Anyway, I thought I would throw in my experience if it would help. I don't dislike anonymous, but he needs to reavaluate his tactics or he is going to keep coming up on the short side of the debate.

[DanFromSmithvill e]

Cybele wrote:

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Are you serious? that's an equivocation
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I don't know I just use my own judgement unlike you who just memorize a bunch of fallacies and point out illogical arguments. Don't get me wrong, I love science! lol

You love science. See we have so much in common.

[DanFromSmithvill e]

Subduction Zone wrote:

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Here, read this first:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

I was reading this and recalled that MazHere recently stated that fungi are not terrestrial surface organisms. I forget the context, but I had meant to reply and got caught with something else. Maz doesn't really know that much about biology does she.

[macumazahn]

anonymous wrote:

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Dang! That's New Testament? There's a way to kill evangelism!

Oh, the Old Testament no longer applies?

So much for Leviticus...

[DanFromSmithvill e]

DanFromSmithville wrote:

<quoted text>No I am not saying that. I am saying that if God is not the source of evil, then who is. If evil is outside of God and God's control then he is not omniscient. Not being omniscient he is capable of mistakes.
So if you argue that God is not the source of evil, then what I have laid out is the stand you are taking Rose Tyler.
I am not evil by the way, but I can see it. One of the most evil acts I have every heard is being discussed in the media even now. I weep for those little ones that were so mercilessly destroyed by evil. The evil that is man.

Anonymous from Akron, this is the post where you decided to set me straight on my attacks on handicapped people. I just want to bring it back to refresh your memory on my scathing assault on people with mental illness. Please explain to the group how you went from this post to my attakcing the handicapped.

Let me explain this to you so that you can understand since you seem to be so lax in the area of understanding. I was talking about evil and god and man. We are after all on a "creation" vs evolution thread. So we were heavy on the creation for this discussion. I didn't say anything specific about a particular person although it is clear I am referring to the then current event in the Northeast. You keyed in on what I said, mixed it with your own bias and facts I did not know and went on a tirade. You got busted and now you are crying like a baby trying to crawfish out of it. The nerve have to even complain about Drew doing something similar, if he even did, is indicative of your hypocrisy.

I don't mind that you are touchy about the subject of mental illness. I respect your opinion on the way mentally ill people are treated even today. I don't completely agree with it, but I can respect it.

I don't respect a person like yourself, that does something wrong and doesn't have the courage to admit it. If you want to save face, that would have been the way to do it.

[crzzzd]

youtube.com/watch... Birth vs Death? Its goes on for a couple Hundred Years huh?

[anonymous]

Drew Smith wrote:

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So, using your own argument, if you had been confident in your position, you wouldn't have responded. Yet you did.
I guess that means you're not very confident.

Blah! Blah! Blah!

I can speak my opinions. This isn't a science publication to begin with, nor is the forum question solvable by pure science. Tangents to the debate are inevitable.

You're going to keep on trying to salvage your mimicry based politics, aren't you?

[anonymous]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, the Old Testament no longer applies?
So much for Leviticus...

My bad. I looked it up later. Old Testament. I didn't think "lord" was used so much in the old one.

[ROCK]

anonymous wrote:

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Given up on water, and now you're a rock guy, eh? Are we going to go through the entire cast of Megaman villians?

ROCK ON!

[ROCK]

Bible Belt wrote:

<quoted text>AMEN

Great ROCK!

[anonymous]

DanFromSmithville wrote:

<quoted text>I didn't attack a handicapped person. This is just another lie you feel comfortable in saying to make me look bad. You are still avoiding the questions. You can't admit any wrongdoing on your part. You are just the same as anyone you rail against. There is nothing different about your strategy than the most hardened evangelical. You complain about alpha males, and then use bullying, misinformation, lies and strongarm tactics to beat any dissenters down. You sure you are not a evangelical Christian, ex football player?
So, basically, you can jump into a conversation you are not a part of, but others cannot. You can call others wrong without much or any evidence, but even when they have evidence, they cannot call you wrong. When they do, you don't have to ask questions or provide evidence, you can just start accusing them of being horrible people.
Those are the rules you want on here. Just as long as we both know your rules. Seems pretty one sided to me, but what do I know. I have a diagnosed mental illness and can't be held responsible for my words or actions.

I already said, our legal system isn't really about rules. But since you bring them up, you do know that there is an insanity plea in a court of law, and the consequences are different than with premeditated crimes, right?

You crossed a line. This was over before it began.

[MikeF]

Time and Space wrote:

What happens if you place one plant on the moon...without oxygenated soil, without other plants to polinate with?
It will simply die...

And what happens if you put them under water for a year?

[anonymous]

Time and Space wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D na
give me evidence that this advance code can come randomly from a dead rock...

The word you're using that isn't applicable is "advanced". Abiogenesis would probably not start with DNA of ANY value to begin with. It may not have been encased in a cell at all, in fact, it probably wasn't. Only after one self-reproducing structure combined with the other (a bubble made of semi-permeable membrane) would you be able to apply the protein making ability of DNA to the process of regulating the cell and refining its self-replicating abilities.

[anonymous]

DanFromSmithville wrote:

<quoted text>Anonymous from Akron, this is the post where you decided to set me straight on my attacks on handicapped people. I just want to bring it back to refresh your memory on my scathing assault on people with mental illness. Please explain to the group how you went from this post to my attakcing the handicapped.
Let me explain this to you so that you can understand since you seem to be so lax in the area of understanding. I was talking about evil and god and man. We are after all on a "creation" vs evolution thread. So we were heavy on the creation for this discussion. I didn't say anything specific about a particular person although it is clear I am referring to the then current event in the Northeast. You keyed in on what I said, mixed it with your own bias and facts I did not know and went on a tirade. You got busted and now you are crying like a baby trying to crawfish out of it. The nerve have to even complain about Drew doing something similar, if he even did, is indicative of your hypocrisy.
I don't mind that you are touchy about the subject of mental illness. I respect your opinion on the way mentally ill people are treated even today. I don't completely agree with it, but I can respect it.
I don't respect a person like yourself, that does something wrong and doesn't have the courage to admit it. If you want to save face, that would have been the way to do it.

No, we are on a "CreationISM" vs. Evolution thread. Whether or not you accept the definition of Creationism, it's about the prehistory of Earth.

In all honesty, I was very provoking towards both Drew and sickofit. I intended to draw out their obsessive-compulsive tendencies rather than go through this nit-picky nonsense. In your case, you were on the hook from the get-go because you were posing as God's servant against evil, and when you realized that you were hunting a legally insane person (and already dead! My hero!), well, I guess you kind of got into an off-balance state of bluster.

Really, you feel attacked because I started off on the assumption that you knew that the shooter was mentally handicapped. Things just got silly from there.

[AnElectronField]

anonymous wrote:

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Well, that's another possibility.
If the U.S. wanted to undermine Communism in China, demonstrating the improved lifestyle that comes with industrialization could trigger unrest with the public. Keep in mind though, 20 years ago, that government was completely willing to crack down on dissenters, pitting battle tanks against unarmed students in Tiananmen Square. Also keep in mind, we are a nation one quarter of the population of China. Industrialization of a country THAT large is dangerous and the lost jobs in the western world are highly destabilizing.
Throw in other factors like the Kyoto Accords,currency manipulation, changes in import laws due to the inevitability of globalization, the eventual loss of global oil supplies, etc. and it's anyone's guess what will happen in the not-so-distant future, but I can't imagine it will happen peacefully! That's like a "Peace in our Time" joke.

There's been enough Gangus Kahn stuff in the past couple of milleniums that tel a different tale huh.:-)

[AnElectronField]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Way to avoid the fact that I gave you exactly what you asked for. As a deflection, that's an epic fail.
Oh, and did you mean my use of the word "bastard" when you said "cussy"?
Don't look at me, it's Biblical:
" A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD. " (Deuteronomy 23:2)

You're just being ugly now...and stupid, and NO, that's not what I was referencing.

And I can quote that stuff TOO!!

Ephesians 5:1-33

Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.

Peter 3:1

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives.

Heh, so there :-).

PS: Did you know Fabiola Gionatti is a female?

HA. lol.

[AnElectronField]

Cybele wrote:

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Simple just look at the financial reports
http://www.fms.treas.gov/fr/index.html

Pfft. The past four years REEK of nothing but the ignorance of destructive "bozo-ness". I wouldn't waste my time.

[AnElectronField]

anonymous wrote:

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You'd have to tell me what kind of experiences you're referring to. There are a few curmudgeonly pains out there but everyone needs to pay their bills.

And everyone should live within their OWN means, and not expect others to pay for their ignorance, or grandiose delusions of imaginary NON earned lifestyles beyond those means.

The Cinderella "syndrome" is a very UNhealthy thing. So is the Napolean one.

[AnElectronField]

Time and Space wrote:

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But like someone said on another post...
If this random soup is created in a lab...all it prooves is 'intellegent design'...
And randomn soup, is not enough to produce the enviornment we have on this planet...
The variety of life...the opposite sex dynamics...
Life cannot exist without an enviornment in which to live or thrive...
What happens if you place one plant on the moon...without oxygenated soil, without other plants to polinate with?
It will simply die...
Look at all the various species put here, simply to be apart of a greater ecosphere...
Life on earth is a team effort...
It was all done deliberatly by a master designer or bio-engineer...or creator...

Primordial goo certainly didn't arise itself...that's why the most current studies are looking at electron fields.

Energy.

As in E=mc2, as in Physics. Quantumn even...as in "In the beginning, there WAS light"..as in, electron fields, at very least.:-).

[AnElectronField]

anonymous wrote:

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Whiner? Hmmm. Well, if you really do take everything on the chin...
So where are you coming from if that's not too personal? My first guess would be south of the border, but no guarantees there. I kind of winced at the thought that you were trying to be a writer because your English writing does have a few too many boo-boo's for the average editor to take seriously, but your syntax is too close to standard English for you to not have had significant exposure to it. Most people would just assume that you lack education.
I first pegged you as possibly part Native American because you obviously don't observe pecking orders, but you have enough confidence to wade into an American style of argument so I'd suspect a good deal of Spanish in your blood as well. Combine that with a reverence for Christian doctrine and it seems to fit.

Shh..you'll blow the the igno-peabrain delusions of everybody was a pilgrim.