Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 210042 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70282 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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First you need to define the difference between sociopath vs. psychopath.
"psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental."
"Psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence."
Agree?
Nope, it's all genetic, and not usually hereditary. It is simply a different logic system.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70283 Jan 7, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Zionism? That is bs. Our interest in Israel is not really about the Jews. It is about Moral Majority types who really could care less about the Jews (as non Christians the Jews are destined for hell anyway in their religious ideology) but for religious reasons they still support the state of Israel. Even more than the American Jews. A rather bipolar worldview.
No reason to blame it on Jewish zionists or the Israel lobby.
Whatever the reason is, it has got something to do with the elites. Maybe rooted from biblical war among Cain and Abel descendants that has evolved into the political arena we have today. lol

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70284 Jan 7, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
An interesting question... have Christians murdered more people over the centuries just for being Moslem or have Moslems murdered more people over the centuries just for being...? These two Jewish sects have quite a history of mass murder.
You left out the Christians who murdered people for being the "wrong kind" of Christian.(The Muslims still do that, in terms of the "wrong kind" of Muslim.)

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70285 Jan 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nope, it's all genetic, and not usually hereditary. It is simply a different logic system.
Sounds like you refuse a remedy to the problem. If by nature or nurture we all acquire the traits of psychopath or sociopath, why would you want to remain that way? We will all end up in jails with some having to face capital punishment. Not a good way to continue the path to human evolution. lol
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#70286 Jan 7, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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You left out the Christians who murdered people for being the "wrong kind" of Christian.(The Muslims still do that, in terms of the "wrong kind" of Muslim.)
What about the Christians who murdered people for making scientific observations? Nowhere in the Bible does it say the Earth is the center of the solar system and yet the Inquisition somehow thought it ok to burn people at the stake for...

Even though that belief came from Greek philosophers who were not even Christian.
Anelectronfield

London, KY

#70287 Jan 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No one has ever claimed that life "raised itself". The appearance of life on the Earth was due to reactions to the state the Earth was in at that time.
Where is your evidence that they were looking at electron field? From my understanding they are looking at black smokers as the source of energy and quite a few of the chemicals involved.
Electron fields..plural. Pre whole"atoms" so to speak-quarks etc.

Synchrotron radiation from proton bunches in the LHC creates photoelectrons at the beam screen wall. These photoelectrons are pulled toward the positively charged proton bunch. When they hit the opposite wall, they generate secondary electrons which can in turn be accelerated by the next bunch. Depending on several assumptions about surface reflectivity, photoelectron and secondary electron yield, this mechanism can lead to the fast build-up of an electron cloud (the animation shows simulation results by O. Brüning for 10 subsequent bunch passages, during which the pictures become red) with potential implications for beam stability and heat load on the beam screen. In view of the tight deadline for the design of the LHC cryogenic system, a crash program has been set up to measure the relevant physical quantities with and without magnetic field.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#70288 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Whatever the reason is, it has got something to do with the elites. Maybe rooted from biblical war among Cain and Abel descendants that has evolved into the political arena we have today. lol
The elites? I think it is like with immigration. The fundamentalist teabagger types have a knee-jerk support for Israel and the elites just tip-toe around them out of fear they will go totally bonkers if the government adopts a sensible policy.

The Brits are really to blame for the Israel/Palestinian thing. Not the Jews or the Moslems. What did they think would happen when they carved up the Holy Land between the Arabs and the...?
Anelectronfield

London, KY

#70289 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Sounds like you refuse a remedy to the problem. If by nature or nurture we all acquire the traits of psychopath or sociopath, why would you want to remain that way? We will all end up in jails with some having to face capital punishment. Not a good way to continue the path to human evolution. lol
Disgree- all people do not end up twisted and warped. Why would they, when they can choose of their own "free will", "being good over being evil".

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70290 Jan 7, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
Of course, people who try to hijack threads for purposes other than the topic of the thread are certainly acting in an anti-social way, don't you think?
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How so?
You are giving a different meaning to anti-social
Drew Smith wrote:
Don't you think it takes judgment to determine if someone else's argument is illogical and contains logical fallacies?
No you are not using your 'own' judgement but following a set of rules for logical arguments. We can't apply those set of rules in every type of argument.
Anelectronfield

London, KY

#70291 Jan 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No one has ever claimed that life "raised itself". The appearance of life on the Earth was due to reactions to the state the Earth was in at that time.
Where is your evidence that they were looking at electron field? From my understanding they are looking at black smokers as the source of energy and quite a few of the chemicals involved.
V.V. Anashin, A. Krasnov, Method of SEY and ELECTRON clouds life time measurements in the presence of magnetic field, BINP Vacuum Group Report 5-2009; presentation at CERN (A. Krasnov, 12.03.2010)
AGOODelectronfie ld

London, KY

#70292 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Everyone must carry a DICTIONARY including yourself. You know they have dictionary 'apps' now.
Low life scum? You are a classic example of a PEST and you are used to kill what is actually good.
No, TICS are pests, and I am not "used" to "kill" anything, is that some sort of delusion? So why would everyone carry a dictionary, in the digital age, when even 8 year olds can find dictionary apps?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70293 Jan 7, 2013
Anelectronfield wrote:
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Disgree- all people do not end up twisted and warped. Why would they, when they can choose of their own "free will", "being good over being evil".
Then you don't understand what the disorder actually means and the consequences of it in our society. Why would bad always remain bad and the good remain good? We need balance. Just like Yin and Yang. duh!

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70294 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Sounds like you refuse a remedy to the problem. If by nature or nurture we all acquire the traits of psychopath or sociopath, why would you want to remain that way? We will all end up in jails with some having to face capital punishment. Not a good way to continue the path to human evolution. lol
Erm, what? Most of the prisoners are neither sociopaths or psychopaths, the form of logic we call sociopathic or psychopathic are not inherently bad, I know I already mentioned that. Most live in society without ever even being analyzed, and that's often because psychiatrists are not scientific. It's not an illness anymore than being gay is, it's simply a difference and nothing more. Until you stop thinking that everything that is not like you is an illness you will never learn anything beyond stereotypes.
AGOODelectronfie ld

London, KY

#70295 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
For the less educated ones:
PEST analysis stands for "P olitical, E conomic, S ocial, and T echnological analysis"
Learn your 'own' Business!
WRONG!!!
Do not pass "go" Do not cowerct 200 hunnert dolluh-and no get outa jail fwee cawrd!
AGOODelectronfie ld

London, KY

#70296 Jan 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Very inaccurate, there are many people who never need a dictionary. There are learning mechanisms and logic types that you have never even ones considered viable because they all differ from you.
Did you know that sociopaths actually just think differently than you? They lack the chemical reactions that produce the erratic and often detrimental emotions in their brains. Due to this all resources are utilized for learning, and they rarely need a dictionary because they become natural sponges for information. If we utilized these people more we could be on Mars already, instead of fearing them, another often irrational emotional response.
Many autistic people rarely need dictionaries either, they often become masters of using words and using even the least known definitions of words. Often twisting the meaning of what people say to suit their own ends, by utilizing obscure and lesser known meanings of the words to make what you say mean something completely different. They are also literalists, it's part of their logic method, everything is as it is, slang often escapes them, memes are a complete mystery to them.
Those are just the two of the top of my head. Two examples of people who don't need dictionaries.
Savants might classify in the category as well.

(Savant syndrome is a rare, but extraordinary, condition in which persons with serious mental disabilities, including autistic disorder, have some ‘island of genius’ which stands in marked, incongruous contrast to overall handicap. As many as one in 10 persons with autistic disorder have such remarkable abilities in varying degrees, although savant syndrome occurs in other developmental disabilities or in other types of central nervous system injury or disease as well. Whatever the particular savant skill, it is always linked to massive memory.)

The savant syndrome: an extraordinary condition. A synopsis: past, present, future.
Darold A. Treffert Philos Trans R Soc Lond B Biol Sci. 2009 May 27; 364(1522): 1351–1357. doi:10.1098/rstb.2008.0326

PMCID:
PMC2677584.National Center for Biotechnology Information, U.S. National Library of Medicine.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70297 Jan 7, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Dude even you admitted a while back, that there could be no amount of scientific evidences that would convince you of the existence of God. So why do you all clammer on about proof that you would not except anyway? Geez.
If so then you should be able to link to the post where I said that. Of course anyone who knows me knows that you won't find it because I have never argued from a fundamentalist atheist standpoint. In fact I'm currently frustrating Skippy the 'Skeptic' by the very fact that he makes the POSITIVE claim that there definitely is no God and I keep asking him to prove it. KittenKoder can also confirm this if you happen to give a hoot.

Theism and atheism are COMPLETELY irrelevant to science. I don't argue from either of those standpoints because I have no NEED to. Never have. Science merely deals with what can be demonstrated and what cannot.

You may be confused where I've said that there IS no current scientific evidence of (a) God. However science is, has been, and always will be open to the possibility should some future evidence be discovered. It's just the simple fact at this moment in time that no-one on the ENTIRE PLANET has been able to do so. If that's a problem, it's not mine.
neutral observer

West Palm Beach, FL

#70298 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Then you don't understand what the disorder actually means and the consequences of it in our society. Why would bad always remain bad and the good remain good? We need balance. Just like Yin and Yang. duh!
What do good and bad really mean? The meanings of both terms is totally subjective. Genghis Khan probably thought that uniting much of Asia (...and into eastern Europe) was a good thing. The idiots burning suspected witches at the stake certainly felt they were doing good. During the Civil War both pro slavery people and abolitionists could quote scripture to prove God was on their side.

Most people are out to take care of themselves and their families... not to do good or evil.
AGOODelectronfie ld

London, KY

#70299 Jan 7, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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She's talking about "grade schoolers" They need to carry dictionaries!
I probably don't need dictionaries as often times, words will just pop in my head even if I'm totally unfamiliar with them. But I use the dictionary to verify that word is appropriate to use. It's intuition. It's something I learned to deal with writer's block.
No and WRONG- the inference was, demand that grade schoolers have access to dictionaries. Society as whole, will be better for it once again.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#70300 Jan 7, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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No one has ever claimed that life "raised itself". The appearance of life on the Earth was due to reactions to the state the Earth was in at that time.
Where is your evidence that they were looking at electron field? From my understanding they are looking at black smokers as the source of energy and quite a few of the chemicals involved.
To the casual listener it sounds like apologetics for Shubie's quantum god-poofing.

“Help religion science wander”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

into the night.

#70301 Jan 7, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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You noticed that too, eh?(No, I didn't think that I was the only one to notice.)
No you aren't the only one. It isn't the first time I have noticed either. That comment about a gun weilding child killer is his hero because he killed himself was over the top. It is interesting that the babble became more incoherent when I went and found my post that set him off. There was nothing in it about my attacking a mentally handicapped person as he accused. It was very general and only an idiot would read what he read into it. I suppose the babble was the only real response he could give without admitting his stupidity.

It looks like you may be right. He is some kind of troll. As near as I can determine he made what seems like an admission of baiting you. I would call that being a troll.

I think I have made my point with him whether he wants to accept it or not. He is like some of the whackier creationists on these threads. They declare victory in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and nothing you post will change that.

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