Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70186 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
are you anti-social? Is that your phobia?
Keep in mind that I knew that it would provoke them to carry on a polite dialog with you. I wouldn't use you to make them feel less manly in the eyes of all these important people! In all honesty, I wasn't entirely sure if I would have made you annoyed if I didn't let you indulge your off-topic moment, which we all have, and as long as we get back on topic, life goes on.

I consider it a learning experience to observe people's hidden obsessions. Unfortunately, these aren't particularly unique or new from where I'm standing. My obsession? Since I know that will be the next rebuttal, it's a bit of an experiment for me to confront the political rhetoric of the two parties. I figure that both sides won't see their bad behavior once they are personally involved, so.... this is more about the bystanders.

Interesting results, but the debate was over before it began. And yes, I'm being smart-@ss analytical to excess because that brings out the best of the "you think you're so...yada, yada." They talk more about what they really think when you've got an evil nemesis thing going on!

Anyway, don't feel that you're on trial. Do your own thing.:)

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70187 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>You never explained why you considered it acceptable to judge a mentally handicapped person as evil.
As I remember it, you were making some vague commentary about the evil in the world today, which wasn't too on topic itself, and I pointed out that you were condemning a person with Asperger's and you fairly well said that that didn't matter. Evil is evil!
Anyway, if you don't see a line there, I don't think explaining will matter. I'll tell you what I think though. This whole thing is about saving face. If you were confident in your convictions, you would have been able to walk away. If Drew was confident in his sense of legal authority, he would be able to walk away.
Too bad. I'm walking away. You claim that such is what you want, so let it go, or go save face with someone else. I'm not playing your game. I'm not here to negotiate. If you have a point to debate, debate it. Don't keep carrying on like your opinions or mine will carry any kind of weight with Washington, but only if one person can plant the flag of righteousness on this glorious field of battle. Sheesh!
Wow, you can spin a yarn. I never said it didn't matter at the point you attacked me. I was confused at that time, because you hadn't mentioned that the shooter was mentally ill. However, despite his alledged illness, I still maintain that he was willfully engaged in an evil act. He took measures to obtain resources. He covered his tracks to prevent what I believe now to be the possibility of escape. He, with malice of forethought, shot his unarmed, 6 year old victims multiple times to make sure they were dead. Unless, you can show me that a person with Asperger's syndrome does not know right from wrong and is normally this dangerous, I say he is evil. Not people with Asperger's. I never said that and you can lie all you want, but the evidence of our posts backs me up.

Again, this is all strawman, smoke and mirrors to avoid owning up to your own mistakes and hypocrisy.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#70188 Jan 6, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>See you are trying to avoid answering my questions by attacking me. The point, rather than saving your own face, is did you or did you not interrupt an ongoing discussion with an unwarranted and unsubstiated attack. The answer is YES.
Are you accusing Drew of doing the same thing you did? The answer is YES.
You have a very difficult time with being wrong. I understand I do too, but you keep entering into situations where you are wrong and not learning from it. It is that detrimental to your ego to lose an argument where you are wrong on an anonymous site?
You can continue attacking me for what I wrote, but it isn't the current argument.
I already told you, you attacked a handicapped person. You didn't like the same to happen to you, did you? Still no line?

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70189 Jan 6, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that you're being an enabler for anonymous. He says that it's wrong to post off-topic in this thread, and yet you are encouraging him.
Instead, you should help him return to the thread's topic, which is evolution vs. creation.
Drew, I don't know completely what your argument with this guy is, but having been jumped by him in the past, I am not surprised by the tactics being used. He is intelligent, but he can't stand to be shown that he is wrong. He has a tendency not to read your post but to focus on some, key to him, phrasing and then draw conclusions on that. If you jumped into an exchange between him and someone else, that is between you two, not that it is unusual here. But I dislike the hypocrisy of his getting onto you for that, when he did the same to me.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70190 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I already told you, you attacked a handicapped person. You didn't like the same to happen to you, did you? Still no line?
I didn't attack a handicapped person. This is just another lie you feel comfortable in saying to make me look bad. You are still avoiding the questions. You can't admit any wrongdoing on your part. You are just the same as anyone you rail against. There is nothing different about your strategy than the most hardened evangelical. You complain about alpha males, and then use bullying, misinformation, lies and strongarm tactics to beat any dissenters down. You sure you are not a evangelical Christian, ex football player?

So, basically, you can jump into a conversation you are not a part of, but others cannot. You can call others wrong without much or any evidence, but even when they have evidence, they cannot call you wrong. When they do, you don't have to ask questions or provide evidence, you can just start accusing them of being horrible people.

Those are the rules you want on here. Just as long as we both know your rules. Seems pretty one sided to me, but what do I know. I have a diagnosed mental illness and can't be held responsible for my words or actions.

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Level 4

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70191 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Fallacious statements abound.
1. It was not random, but it does not appear to be planned or "guided."
2. Reproducing natural environments proves that it can happen naturally.
3. The plant would freeze to death before any of that would happen.
4. You made the assertion, where is your evidence? If you cannot present evidence then your assertion is about as worthless as potting soil in the ocean.
Don't play that game with me...

On the contrary...where is your evidence that life can sprout on it's own, out of rocks?

It can't...

How can rocks suddenly code themselves with millions of messages and genes?

You have no evidence of dead matter, suddenly deciding to create life on it's own...with the complexities involved...

Quit resisting...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Level 4

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#70192 Jan 6, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dna

give me evidence that this advance code can come randomly from a dead rock...

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70193 Jan 6, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D na
give me evidence that this advance code can come randomly from a dead rock...
rocks are not dead!

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70194 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
rocks are not dead!
Pardon? What do you mean?

Long live Rock!

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70195 Jan 6, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Pardon? What do you mean?
Long live Rock!
They have energy. They are just more stable than other forms of matter. Hard Rock!

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Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70196 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
They have energy. They are just more stable than other forms of matter. Hard Rock!
Well, I will go along with you that they are forms of matter and all that that entails. But you are you implying that they are living organism?

Hard Rock! But of course.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70197 Jan 6, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I will go along with you that they are forms of matter and all that that entails. But you are you implying that they are living organism?
Hard Rock! But of course.
All matter are made up of atoms including rocks. They are not living organisms. They have kinetic energy and electron motion.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70198 Jan 6, 2013
Atoms have kinetic energy based on thermal energy (the "vibration" of the atom) and also on electron motion. They also have the energy of their mass. This is the energy that would be derived if all of their mass was converted into energy. That's the so-called mass equivalence that Albert Einstein gave us with E=mc2.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_atoms_have_energ...

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70199 Jan 6, 2013
Instead, you should help him return to the thread's topic, which is evolution vs. creation.
Cybele wrote:
are you anti-social? Is that your phobia?
I don't have any phobias.

Of course, people who try to hijack threads for purposes other than the topic of the thread are certainly acting in an anti-social way, don't you think?

So, what do you think about the debate regarding evolution vs. creationism? Where do you stand on that issue?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70200 Jan 6, 2013
anonymous wrote:
I'll tell you what I think though. This whole thing is about saving face. If you were confident in your convictions, you would have been able to walk away. If Drew was confident in his sense of legal authority, he would be able to walk away.
So, using your own argument, if you had been confident in your position, you wouldn't have responded. Yet you did.

I guess that means you're not very confident.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#70201 Jan 6, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
He is intelligent, but he can't stand to be shown that he is wrong. He has a tendency not to read your post but to focus on some, key to him, phrasing and then draw conclusions on that. If you jumped into an exchange between him and someone else, that is between you two, not that it is unusual here. But I dislike the hypocrisy of his getting onto you for that, when he did the same to me.
If his postings were actually coherent, it might be interesting, but he apparently got upset when his homophobic attitude was pointed out (it drove him to make childish remarks about AIDS, to refer to gays as "deviant", and to use that old homophobic cliche of "lifestyle"). His only way out was to whine about off-topic postings, despite the fact that he had spent little time talking about evolution and creationism in most of his postings the last few days.

In any event, I don't buy into the "jumping into an exchange" idea, since this is a public message board. If he wants to exchange in a private debate with another poster, he always has email to do that. Oh, wait, he posts anonymously and unregistered.

That pretty much sums up the typical Internet troll.

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70202 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
All matter are made up of atoms including rocks. They are not living organisms. They have kinetic energy and electron motion.
I understand that, I was just wondering where you were going with your statement.

By the way, and I thought I was clear in mentioning this at the time, but just in case I wasn't, I thought that while I am here I would clarify my position on NDE/OBE. While I am skeptical of the meaning of near death experiences and out of body experiences, I recognize the impact they have on the lives of those who have experienced them. My questions aren't about the existence of these experiences, but what they mean. If you were able to gain new and positive insight into your own life from one, that is laudable.

Rock on!

“Don't be mad at me.”

Level 9

Since: Jan 11

I'm just a little bunny.

#70203 Jan 6, 2013
Cybele wrote:
Atoms have kinetic energy based on thermal energy (the "vibration" of the atom) and also on electron motion. They also have the energy of their mass. This is the energy that would be derived if all of their mass was converted into energy. That's the so-called mass equivalence that Albert Einstein gave us with E=mc2.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_atoms_have_energ...
That Einstein was a true Rocker.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#70204 Jan 6, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't play that game with me...
On the contrary...where is your evidence that life can sprout on it's own, out of rocks?
It can't...
How can rocks suddenly code themselves with millions of messages and genes?
You have no evidence of dead matter, suddenly deciding to create life on it's own...with the complexities involved...
Quit resisting...
Here, read this first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#70205 Jan 6, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
Instead, you should help him return to the thread's topic, which is evolution vs. creation.
<quoted text>
I don't have any phobias.
Of course, people who try to hijack threads for purposes other than the topic of the thread are certainly acting in an anti-social way, don't you think?
Are you serious? that's an equivocation
Drew Smith wrote:
So, what do you think about the debate regarding evolution vs. creationism? Where do you stand on that issue?
I don't know I just use my own judgement unlike you who just memorize a bunch of fallacies and point out illogical arguments. Don't get me wrong, I love science! lol

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