Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70023 Jan 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>On the very good chance that you really are that ignorant:
"He [Higgs] is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".
Usually this nickname for the Higgs boson is attributed to Leon Lederman, the author of the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle"." - Wiki.
Interesting-awarded the honor just THIS past year even!!!!

Lederman is known for his sense of humor and efforts to connect science at all levels with everyday people.


I always wanted to be a standup comic. I didn't have the talent to do that but, among physicists, I'm great, because none of them can tell jokes, Lederman said during an interview with the Academy of Achievement in 1992.

Leon Lederman is the 2012 recipient of the Vannevar Bush Award from the National Science Foundation. The annual award is given in memory of Vannevar Bush, who served as science advisor to President Franklin Roosevelt during World War II and was behind the creation of the National Science Foundation.

Eckstrom, E. "God particle' physicist Leon Lederman honored by National Science Foundation." Northwestern.Edu . 4/11/2012. Web. 1/5/2013.

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#70024 Jan 5, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Of course you don't know that, you are just projecting ad going with a 'feeling'.
IF there were some kind of God involved...he is long gone.
Please...you don't know what I know...

Life does not come from, magicaly spring from, dead, lifeless, non-bio matter or elements...that's science...
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70025 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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or you can make up a lie that reveals the truth. You really need a JUMP start in your brain. It's called search engine. lol
There's not one single search engine that "knows all" either.

No such thing.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#70026 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Not exactly...there has to be a 'master chemist' there to arrange chemicals in the proper order...
Just as man takes dust, and arranges it into whatever he wants, through chemistry...but there has to be someone or something to orchestrate it...
So basically you're saying chemistry itself is all a lie.

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#70027 Jan 5, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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If EVERYTHING has to have a creator, then God had to have one. You can't have it both ways
If God created space/time, then he would be outside of space/time and therefore be infinite in nature.

( This idea is referenced by many through out history.)

Even the latest developments in Quantum Physics support this concept with the Observer Effect.

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#70028 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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or you can make up a lie that reveals the truth. You really need a JUMP start in your brain. It's called search engine. lol
True Lies?...(lol)
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70029 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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If God created space/time, then he would be outside of space/time and therefore be infinite in nature.
( This idea is referenced by many through out history.)
Even the latest developments in Quantum Physics support this concept with the Observer Effect.
AND the "God Particle".

(Good choice, and applause lol)
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70030 Jan 5, 2013
"The search for the ultimate particle began with a Greek philosopher named Democritus, Lederman writes, who managed to postulate the existence of the ``a-tom''--in spite of an unaccommodating myth-based culture, the scorn and amusement of his peers, and a total lack of... any concrete proof..."

Lederman, Leon. The God Particle. If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? Houghton Mifflin, 1993. 352. Print.

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#70031 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
You don't get 'guts'...and strands of DNA, RNA with millions of coded messages, out of inatimate space dust...
Get over it...
Amino acids, alcohol, water, & complex organic compounds have all been detected in interstellar space.

Also in the interiors of meteorites found on earth, and in the tails of comets that the earth frequently passes through.

Get over it...
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70032 Jan 5, 2013
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#70033 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
The more I look at the complexeties of living organisms...the more I'm convenced there is a creator...or maybe a whole bunch of creators...
None of this is happen chance...
exactly...it is intuitional knowledge.

("Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference and/or the use of reason.")

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#70034 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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AND the "God Particle".
(Good choice, and applause lol)
(TY)

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#70035 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Not exactly...there has to be a 'master chemist' there to arrange chemicals in the proper order...
Just as man takes dust, and arranges it into whatever he wants, through chemistry...but there has to be someone or something to orchestrate it...
Clearly you have no idea of the present state of abiogenesis.

You make countless claims of what had to happen without giving any evidence that supports those claims.

As the great Hitch said, Claims made without any evidence can be dismissed without any evidence.

You need to try harder.

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#70036 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So basically you're saying chemistry itself is all a lie.
Of course not....

Chemistry is true...

But every thing invented, that you use today, every product that you use...did not magically just come to be...or exist...

Someone, a chemist, arraingend the chemicals, heat ect ect...combinations, to get desired product...

Aluminum cans didn't just put themselves together through chance evolution...ok...

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Taizhou, China

#70037 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
The anthropomorphic God of the Bible is obviously a male
neutral observer wrote:
Jesus perhaps but where does it state in the Bible that God has a physical body? Is the Jewish/Christian/Moslem god not a spiritual being?
The Moslem god is obviously biased.
Their religion promises an entourage of sex slaves for every men who lives a good Moslem life, but promises nothing for every woman who lives a good Moslem life.

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#70038 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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exactly...it is intuitional knowledge.
("Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference and/or the use of reason.")
(and I might add... this is basically why all primitive cultures have a concept of a creator, in some form or another.)

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#70039 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Of course not....
Chemistry is true...
But every thing invented, that you use today, every product that you use...did not magically just come to be...or exist...
Someone, a chemist, arraingend the chemicals, heat ect ect...combinations, to get desired product...
Aluminum cans didn't just put themselves together through chance evolution...ok...
Chemical reactions occur without guidance, without the need for any "designer," all natural science is based on this. Chemists use this fact as well, aluminum is also metallurgy, not chemistry, it's refining the metals in the rock and then mixing them, like soup. No chemical reactions there, actually.

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#70040 Jan 5, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Clearly you have no idea of the present state of abiogenesis.
You make countless claims of what had to happen without giving any evidence that supports those claims.
As the great Hitch said, Claims made without any evidence can be dismissed without any evidence.
You need to try harder.
Nor is there any evidence of life coming out of inordinate matter...

Inordinate lifeless elements cannot ever, will not ever, produce life...

get over it...

It has no reason to...dust will remain dust for trillions of years, until a master, intellegent chemist entity, comes along and arranges the chemicals in a way that can produce life...
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#70041 Jan 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Tsk! Tsk! You don't really have a Zen approach to things! Remember my little essay on pain and pleasure? Question: What would be the equation if say, birds or cats or dinosaurs, had 1 or 2 bit responses to pain and pleasure, but quantified on a two or three bit level of parallelism?
You know, I used to think we were all the same inside, like the "rainbow power" preachers like to claim. Bad assumption! Bad monkey! Bad me! ;D
Okay-tag you're it then! Bad you lol.

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#70042 Jan 5, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Nor is there any evidence of life coming out of inordinate matter...
Inordinate lifeless elements cannot ever, will not ever, produce life...
get over it...
It has no reason to...dust will remain dust for trillions of years, until a master, intellegent chemist entity, comes along and arranges the chemicals in a way that can produce life...
Really? You have evidence of this assertion? Life had to come from non-life ultimately, and you deny both the naturalistic possibilities and the possibility of supernatural events. Which means life had to always exist.

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