Evolution vs. Creation

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TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69969 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Is it because they named it the God Particle? lol
Is what because (Science has named what has eluded them since time began) the God particle?

Was there something you were trying to ask?

Again, try the CERN web, certainly they can explain their life's work, should one ask them a coherent question anyway.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69970 Jan 5, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text> If we could synthesize the exact chemicals involved in an nde and induce one in a volunteer, would it still be categorically different from a natural nde?
Theoretically, according to still in process hypothesis being studied in comparisons of say justgenetics, in it's parts of the whole of basic evolutionary tenets, Yes, it could be quite "different", due to a little, relatively new phenotype phenomenon dubbed "phenotypic plasticity".

Which is why SOME us have ascribed to the notion, for quite some time(since the first thought existed on the subject anyway) that Science itself would be limited in it's endeavors of exact complete recreation, of anything.

MMMmmmm (NOT) frog legs. lol.

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69971 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Please tell me what I am denying? I have yet to see your evidence of how you come to make that kind of assertion.
Are you just skimming for keywords now? Here, let me copy that line again:

An assertion based on another's lack of evidence is a denial of that assertion's validity, making an assertion requires evidence, denying an assertion is what does not.

I am denying you assertions on the grounds that you lack evidence, you are making the assertions, therefore it is me denying your assertions. Now you are just projecting again, it's like a roller-coaster with you.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69972 Jan 5, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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but the fact of the matter is that science doesn't give two hoots about theism or atheism.
Another "well stated".

Why would they, mere philosophy is not at all relevent when it comes to scientific studies of anything.

It' still funny however, to watch the "funDUHee type ignodolts" that just cannot seem to comprehend the very simple FACT, that MANY people can have a pocket Bible (or other categorically related type reading material) in one hand to enjoy reading from, AND(!!) a palm sized periodic table in the other to reference from, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever, in realizing the differences between the two :-).

“Time will tell...”

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#69973 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Another "well stated".
Why would they, mere philosophy is not at all relevent when it comes to scientific studies of anything.
It' still funny however, to watch the "funDUHee type ignodolts" that just cannot seem to comprehend the very simple FACT, that MANY people can have a pocket Bible (or other categorically related type reading material) in one hand to enjoy reading from, AND(!!) a palm sized periodic table in the other to reference from, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever, in realizing the differences between the two :-).
Sagan didn't seem to think so...

“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69974 Jan 5, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Aren't you going to post the ones where he basically says you're a dumbass for believing what you do?
It appears that even in accordance to some of his own quotes, that statement would prove detrimental, in thinking Einstien was "hatefilled" like that. Seems the man had better things to do in life.

"God is subtle, but not malicious;" (Einstien).

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#69975 Jan 5, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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Aren't you going to post the ones where he basically says you're a dumbass for believing what you do?
What do you believe?
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69976 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Sagan didn't seem to think so...
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."
Personally myself, I've always felt that both compliment (rather than detract from)and often times do indeed, validate, the other.

I just have a hard time with tolerance for ones so small minded, or ignorant or something(?), that they can't comprehend, MANY have always, and still do, have "room in brain cavity" for the existence of concepts pertaining to BOTH realms.

But that's just my opinion :-).
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69977 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Sagan didn't seem to think so...
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."
For example- what you just typed, actually VALIDATES, what I stated my own opinion to be prior-

As in-

(FACT, that MANY people can have a pocket Bible (or other categorically related type reading material) in one hand to enjoy reading from, AND(!!) a palm sized periodic table in the other to reference from, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever)

So in only using the presented statement from the person you referenced,it appears they might think right along the same lines. However, with out researching the subject referenced any myself, that just really constitutes just a third party assumption on my part, being based only on the statement you posted about another, so that assumption in no ways makes it any sort of "fact"... Just opinion upon assumption :-).

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#69978 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Is what because (Science has named what has eluded them since time began) the God particle?
Was there something you were trying to ask?
Again, try the CERN web, certainly they can explain their life's work, should one ask them a coherent question anyway.
Actually it was named the "Goddamn" particle, in exasperation at its elusive nature.

Some press flack cleaned it up - much to the irritation of the scientists involved, who cordially hate the name.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69979 Jan 5, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Sagan didn't seem to think so...
“Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."
Sagan also smoked pot, and I think he was a big fan of acid but I don't recall the specifics. If we discredited everyone with one crazy idea, nothing would ever get done. Bill Mahar doesn't think illness is caused by germs and viruses. Newton thought he could change lead to gold with magical words and herbs. Imhotep believed Horus was real. I believe that our machines are more alive than we think. We all have crazy ideas not based on scientific facts, it doesn't change the things we contribute to advancement. Until you understand that, you won't understand the difference between fanciful dreams and science.
TheIndependentMa jority

Somerset, KY

#69980 Jan 5, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Actually it was named the "Goddamn" particle, in exasperation at its elusive nature.
Some press flack cleaned it up - much to the irritation of the scientists involved, who cordially hate the name.
Funny. Laurel and Hardy called...said you needed A (one) sanitary wipe for yer mouthn' lol.

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#69981 Jan 5, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There's not really anything to respond to. The person you were conversing with made a good point- that nde states can be brought on by things other than near death. Your assertion that a "natural" nde state is somehow categorically different from a drug induced one is unsupported. How are they different? Is it because the chemicals involved are different? If so, why not ascribe a natural nde to the chemicals in the brain, and not some mystical "something."
What mystical something did I mention here? I tried to explain how chemicals are involved.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6907783_parts-brain-...
timn17 wrote:
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If we could synthesize the exact chemicals involved in an nde and induce one in a volunteer, would it still be categorically different from a natural nde?
I believe we can induce NDE. Yes it would still be like natural. In fact, I've had many NDEs of different types.
timn17 wrote:
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And your assertion that people avoid death by having a nde is... funny.
No, from my experience I wasn't trying to avoid death, I was responding to death as I thought I was going to die!

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#69982 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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For example- what you just typed, actually VALIDATES, what I stated my own opinion to be prior-
As in-
(FACT, that MANY people can have a pocket Bible (or other categorically related type reading material) in one hand to enjoy reading from, AND(!!) a palm sized periodic table in the other to reference from, with NO PROBLEM whatsoever)
So in only using the presented statement from the person you referenced,it appears they might think right along the same lines. However, with out researching the subject referenced any myself, that just really constitutes just a third party assumption on my part, being based only on the statement you posted about another, so that assumption in no ways makes it any sort of "fact"... Just opinion upon assumption :-).
We already know the secrets of the bible. Do you think the periodic table does too? I think it does. I think if scientists study it, they would find out things we don't know yet such as which atom came to existence first, etc. Before finding out about the God Particle (Higgs Boson), shouldn't we first know which atom was created first?

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Seattle

#69983 Jan 5, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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We already know the secrets of the bible. Do you think the periodic table does too? I think it does. I think if scientists study it, they would find out things we don't know yet such as which atom came to existence first, etc. Before finding out about the God Particle (Higgs Boson), shouldn't we first know which atom was created first?
You think more than you study, this could explain why you are still stuck on second century ideas instead of catching up with modern scientific facts. Then you make an assumption at the end, you assume things were "created" and not the result of further interactions of other various non-intelligent forces. Then you do the "which atom" thing, well, we know, it was hydrogen.

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#69984 Jan 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You think more than you study, this could explain why you are still stuck on second century ideas instead of catching up with modern scientific facts. Then you make an assumption at the end, you assume things were "created" and not the result of further interactions of other various non-intelligent forces. Then you do the "which atom" thing, well, we know, it was hydrogen.
I was leaning towards hydrogen as well. So explain how it was formed without something created it?

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#69985 Jan 5, 2013
Based on this premise:

"Hydrogen is the raw fuel that most stars 'burn' to produce energy. The same process, known as fusion, is being studied as a possible power source for use on earth. The sun's supply of hydrogen is expected to last another 5 billion years."

We know that STARS did it and life was created on earth.

Now if we go further back, how do we explain the birth of a star? Which element was created first?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69986 Jan 5, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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On the contrary, it tells me that society is slow to realize that some of their laws are nothing more than motivated by prejudice.
So your point is?
My point isn't the point. THE point is the epiphany of knowing when you're pointing a gun at your own head.

If you want a tip, accept that perfection is not strength. Adaptability is strength.(Getting back on topic, one way or another!) If you're interested in progress, you'll need to start asking the right questions. The truth will come racing at you faster than you'll like it, once others see you walking a straight line, rather than swimming around like the other mindless thralls. Thralls adapt, but they don't know perfection. Perfectionists don't adapt, but they waste their time controlling the uncontrollable.

And so, the moral of the story..

Me? I answer a question with another question. YOU!...don't know the truth, and so you don't get the truth, or at least not enough of it to make a difference. You have to choose to ask the right questions, which first means you have to stop living in denial. So, let's end this Cheshire cat dialog, and you can decide who you are and what you really want.

I?...live in the moment. Every time you react, you've already slipped into the past.

When you can dissect this quaint monolog existentially, you'll have a clue!:)

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69987 Jan 5, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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My point isn't the point. THE point is the epiphany of knowing when you're pointing a gun at your own head.
If you want a tip, accept that perfection is not strength. Adaptability is strength.(Getting back on topic, one way or another!) If you're interested in progress, you'll need to start asking the right questions. The truth will come racing at you faster than you'll like it, once others see you walking a straight line, rather than swimming around like the other mindless thralls. Thralls adapt, but they don't know perfection. Perfectionists don't adapt, but they waste their time controlling the uncontrollable.
And so, the moral of the story..
Me? I answer a question with another question. YOU!...don't know the truth, and so you don't get the truth, or at least not enough of it to make a difference. You have to choose to ask the right questions, which first means you have to stop living in denial. So, let's end this Cheshire cat dialog, and you can decide who you are and what you really want.
I?...live in the moment. Every time you react, you've already slipped into the past.
When you can dissect this quaint monolog existentially, you'll have a clue!:)
So now an evolutionist has an idea of Perfection as opposed to Random. lol!

Way to go to have a TOE in your mouth!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#69988 Jan 5, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Funny. Laurel and Hardy called...said you needed A (one) sanitary wipe for yer mouthn' lol.
On the very good chance that you really are that ignorant:

"He [Higgs] is displeased that the Higgs particle is nicknamed the "God particle", as he believes the term "might offend people who are religious".
Usually this nickname for the Higgs boson is attributed to Leon Lederman, the author of the book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?, but the name is the result of the insistence of Lederman's publisher: Lederman had originally intended to refer to it as the "goddamn particle"." - Wiki.

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