Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#69888 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Now we're talking....about (LHC) Large Hard-on Colliders
Do partycles have mass? I have yet to see the animation of this theory but first, scientists should be able to see inside that tunnel machine by putting cameras in there. lol. It's a giant roller coaster. Now take us for a ride...tunnel vision!
(we here in the US have other arrangements for sociopathically warped pedophile types ...they call them jails.)

“what we think we become”

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#69889 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Before "which" can be asked, one must first provide evidence that one exists. This has not been done, so "what" is more appropriate.
You are an example of a philosophical existence. We know WHAT you are but one must ask WHICH one truly exists, the male or female?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#69890 Jan 4, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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You've never asked. Just saying.
I did.

“what we think we become”

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#69891 Jan 4, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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CERN may have a question and answer page for kids..try that!
We need a tunnel vision understanding before we can spec-ulate on the level of particles.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

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Indianapolis, IN

#69892 Jan 4, 2013
Here ye go, bub:
MikeF wrote:
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I am. Are you actually suggesting that all forms of communication involves psychological projection? That has a very specific definition. If that is your claim, I'll like to hear something in the way of an explanation.

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#69893 Jan 4, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
ALL of the above-quotes from Albert Eisntein.
(so don't try and pretend... and rewrite HISTORY-because you'd only be LYING about it!!)
"Gaw some of you "trekkies" can be soooo DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH uuhhhh mm, sometimes"
Einstein said he believed in the god of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."

Baruch Spinoza
In a letter to Henry Oldenburg he states that: "as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken". For Spinoza, our universe (cosmos) is a mode under two attributes of Thought and Extension. God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world. According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" (God or Nature) Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, and Jaspers believed that Spinoza, in his philosophical system, did not mean to say that God and Nature are interchangeable terms, but rather that God's transcendence was attested by his infinitely many attributes, and that two attributes known by humans, namely Thought and Extension, signified God's immanence. Even God under the attributes of thought and extension cannot be identified strictly with our world. That world is of course "divisible"; it has parts. But Spinoza insists that "no attribute of a substance can be truly conceived from which it follows that the substance can be divided" (Which means that one cannot conceive an attribute in a way that leads to division of substance), and that "a substance which is absolutely infinite is indivisible" (Ethics, Part I, Propositions 12 and 13). Following this logic, our world should be considered as a mode under two attributes of thought and extension. Therefore the pantheist formula "One and All" would apply to Spinoza only if the "One" preserves its transcendence and the "All" were not interpreted as the totality of finite things.

French philosopher Martial Guéroult suggested the term "Panentheism", rather than "Pantheism" to describe Spinoza’s view of the relation between God and the world. The world is not God, but it is, in a strong sense, "in" God. Not only do finite things have God as their cause; they cannot be conceived without God. In other words, the world is a subset of God. American philosopher Charles Hartshorne, on the other hand, suggested the term "Classical Pantheism" to describe Spinoza's philosophy.

Spinoza's "God or Nature" [Deus sive Natura] provided a living, natural God, in contrast to the Newtonian mechanical "First Cause" or the dead mechanism of the French "Man Machine." Coleridge and Shelley saw in Spinoza's philosophy a religion of nature and called him the "God-intoxicated Man." Spinoza inspired the poet Shelley to write his essay "The Necessity of Atheism."

Spinoza was considered to be an atheist because he used the word "God" [Deus] to signify a concept that was different from that of traditional Judeo–Christian monotheism.

"Spinoza expressly denies personality and consciousness to God; he has neither intelligence, feeling, nor will;
he does not act according to purpose,
but everything follows necessarily from his nature, according to law...." Thus, Spinoza's cool, indifferent God is the antithesis to the concept of an anthropomorphic, fatherly God who cares about humanity.

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Elmont, Long Island NY

#69894 Jan 4, 2013
From Einstein's autobiography

I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.[

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69895 Jan 4, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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(we here in the US have other arrangements for sociopathically warped pedophile types ...they call them jails.)
Yes I agree. But psychologists also need to find a cure for this sexuality complex disease that the ancient Greeks passed on to us called pederasty. These monsters have inner-child issues.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69896 Jan 4, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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No, I don't think it does. If you define intelligence as a measurable quantity, then it must be finite, while stupidity, potentially having a measurable value of zero, would be a divide-by-0 value of infinity.
Just saying.
Now, if you consider the possibility of negative intelligence, you'll have to think with real numbers, but that might be assigning a bias to the term "intelligence", so really, it may be better to stop finding intelligence where there is none!.....other than in bad poetry!
Are you intellectualizing what boggles your mind? You should really try scientific poetry in numbers

“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69897 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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You are an example of a philosophical existence. We know WHAT you are but one must ask WHICH one truly exists, the male or female?
What I am? Male or female? Are you attempting to make an assertion without evidence or are you just attempting to play a dishonest game of semantics?

Philosophy is mental masturbation, and nothing more, existentialism is simply an excuse to make unsubstantiated claims without providing evidence. Neither is scientific nor based on reality.

“what we think we become”

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#69898 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What I am? Male or female? Are you attempting to make an assertion without evidence or are you just attempting to play a dishonest game of semantics?
Philosophy is mental masturbation, and nothing more, existentialism is simply an excuse to make unsubstantiated claims without providing evidence. Neither is scientific nor based on reality.
Can you provide evidence that you are either male or female using the scientific method?

Do us a favor and stop hiding the evidence! lol

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#69899 Jan 4, 2013
Six Personality Traits of a God

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whatlike.ht...

Do you know how difficult it is for a woman to be like this God when he is a perceived as a male? lol

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69900 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you provide evidence that you are either male or female using the scientific method?
Do us a favor and stop hiding the evidence! lol
Hiding what evidence?

I cannot provide scientific evidence, no. But that was not my point and you know it. My point was that you cannot provide any evidence one way or the other either, yet you are asserting you know something which you cannot know. That means you are lying.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

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#69901 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hiding what evidence?
I cannot provide scientific evidence, no. But that was not my point and you know it. My point was that you cannot provide any evidence one way or the other either, yet you are asserting you know something which you cannot know. That means you are lying.
So in other words, you want to play the game by lying and deceiving. And you wonder why you don't trust a God to begin with. You have to trust Yourself first and learn to face reality.

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“I Am No One Else”

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69902 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
So in other words, you want to play the game by lying and deceiving. And you wonder why you don't trust a God to begin with. You have to trust Yourself first and learn to face reality.
Do believe in magic? Here's a few things you might want to tinker with:
It will give you more grace and femininity in your movements and speaking
It will gradually diminish unwanted facial hair and make it less noticable
It will begin to make your body appear more supple and womanly
It will awaken your feminie aura
It will help you to exude your femininity, your eyes will sparkle and your skin will glow
It will make you feel more sexual and attractive
$29.99
LOL!
Now you accuse me of being dishonest when I readily admit that I cannot prove, on here, one way or the other. All in the same post you still make an assertion that is lacking any real evidence. So you actually enjoy lying, that's interesting. Not to mention your assertions, the ones that betray you enjoy lying, also insult many of the butch lesbians. Then you make the same fallacious assumption that I even care about sexuality, when I have clearly stated I am asexual many times. It seems you are projecting a lot, you have an insecurity about your femininity, so much that you have to assume not only that every female will be exactly what you wish you were, but that you can actually achieve that without the use of surgery or snake oil. I'd wager you've had a lot of surgery to that regard, and probably used a bunch of "beauty aides," yet such aides cannot mask the ugly that you see inside your own personality, so you continue to pile them on, and continue to project your own failings onto others. None are as complex as the truly insane, for your own insecurities are a mental instability of themselves.

You should invest in a good psychologist, you'd make an excellent case study of how damaging low self esteem is to a human mind as well as also receive some help with your problem.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69903 Jan 4, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>
Einstein said he believed in the god of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."
Baruch Spinoza
In a letter to Henry Oldenburg he states that: "as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken". For Spinoza, our universe (cosmos) is a mode under two attributes of Thought and Extension. God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world. According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" (God or Nature) Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, and Jaspers believed that Spinoza, in his philosophical system, did not mean to say that God and Nature are interchangeable terms, but rather that God's transcendence was attested by his infinitely many attributes, and that two attributes known by humans, namely Thought and Extension, signified God's immanence. Even God under the attributes of thought and extension cannot be identified strictly with our world. That world is of course "divisible"; it has parts. But Spinoza insists that "no attribute of a substance can be truly conceived from which it follows that the substance can be divided" (Which means that one cannot conceive an attribute in a way that leads to division of substance), and that "a substance which is absolutely infinite is indivisible" (Ethics, Part I, Propositions 12 and 13). Following this logic, our world should be considered as a mode under two attributes of thought and extension. Therefore the pantheist formula "One and All" would apply to Spinoza only if the "One" preserves its transcendence and the "All" were not interpreted as the totality of finite things.
French philosopher Martial Guéroult suggested the term "Panentheism", rather than "Pantheism" to describe Spinoza’s view of the relation between God and the world. The world is not God, but it is, in a strong sense, "in" God. Not only do finite things have God as their cause; they cannot be conceived without God. In other words, the world is a subset of God. American philosopher Charles Hartshorne, on the other hand, suggested the term "Classical Pantheism" to describe Spinoza's philosophy.
Spinoza's "God or Nature" [Deus sive Natura] provided a living, natural God, in contrast to the Newtonian mechanical "First Cause" or the dead mechanism of the French "Man Machine." Coleridge and Shelley saw in Spinoza's philosophy a religion of nature and called him the "God-intoxicated Man." Spinoza inspired the poet Shelley to write his essay "The Necessity of Atheism."
Spinoza was considered to be an atheist because he used the word "God" [Deus] to signify a concept that was different from that of traditional Judeo–Christian monotheism.
"Spinoza expressly denies personality and consciousness to God; he has neither intelligence, feeling, nor will;
he does not act according to purpose,
but everything follows necessarily from his nature, according to law...." Thus, Spinoza's cool, indifferent God is the antithesis to the concept of an anthropomorphic, fatherly God who cares about humanity.
I agree with the concept of Classical Pantheism but it doesn't define 'emotions' per se. It's where the anthropomorphism of God come into play so that we can relate to it on a more personal level. If we didn't, we are just playthings and become less human.

“what we think we become”

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Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69904 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you accuse me of being dishonest when I readily admit that I cannot prove, on here, one way or the other. All in the same post you still make an assertion that is lacking any real evidence. So you actually enjoy lying, that's interesting. Not to mention your assertions, the ones that betray you enjoy lying, also insult many of the butch lesbians. Then you make the same fallacious assumption that I even care about sexuality, when I have clearly stated I am asexual many times. It seems you are projecting a lot, you have an insecurity about your femininity, so much that you have to assume not only that every female will be exactly what you wish you were, but that you can actually achieve that without the use of surgery or snake oil. I'd wager you've had a lot of surgery to that regard, and probably used a bunch of "beauty aides," yet such aides cannot mask the ugly that you see inside your own personality, so you continue to pile them on, and continue to project your own failings onto others. None are as complex as the truly insane, for your own insecurities are a mental instability of themselves.
You should invest in a good psychologist, you'd make an excellent case study of how damaging low self esteem is to a human mind as well as also receive some help with your problem.
You are a walking paradox lying hippo-crite. I never insulted butch lesbians or transsexuals. In fact, I went to school with them. I went to night clubs with them. I hung out with them. So who is making assertions or assumptions here?

You might want to rub some snake oil on your thick skin. For you to say that I lack or have low self-esteem is a joke, that coming from a lost soul. Go find your soul unless you are out of this world, Lady.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#69905 Jan 4, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Your avatar just looky like a "trekky".
Simple enough?:-)
Latest news from CERN (the European org for nuclear research)
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It has been said that the operation is going to get closed for maintenance purposes. Experts known to the matter have affirmed that the LHC will resume working by 2015. Its revival will witness some more features added to the same, as it will witness rise in collision energy, rise in power.
Not only this, it has also been revealed that its luminosity will also be increased.
The particle, which is also known as God's Particle was made by the European Organization for Nuclear Research CERN.
Experts said that there is a reason for calling the particle to be God's Particle, as the discovery is said to the building block, which provides mass to any substance present in the universe....
Maledevic, I. CERN’s Large Hadron Collider to Take 2 Years’ Break. TopnewsUS. 1/3/2013
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Huh..Well fancy that descriptive-right out of the mouth of SCIENCE.
Hmm.
Are you claiming that that grammatical nightmare was actually published? In a reputable journal?

I'd like to see a link, please.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Tenerife

#69906 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
So in other words, you want to play the game by lying and deceiving. And you wonder why you don't trust a God to begin with. You have to trust Yourself first and learn to face reality.
Do believe in magic? Here's a few things you might want to tinker with:
It will give you more grace and femininity in your movements and speaking
It will gradually diminish unwanted facial hair and make it less noticable
It will begin to make your body appear more supple and womanly
It will awaken your feminie aura
It will help you to exude your femininity, your eyes will sparkle and your skin will glow
It will make you feel more sexual and attractive
$29.99
LOL!
Why are you bothering Koder with this crap?
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#69907 Jan 4, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
We need a tunnel vision understanding before we can spec-ulate on the level of particles.
Like I said, maybe CERN has a "question-and-answer-page "!

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