Evolution vs. Creation

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bohart

Newport, TN

#69786 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.
KK! glad to see you've re-emerged from the foul pit. The assertion that God dun it is opposite of your assertion that the goo dun it. Now your assertion complicates a lot, because with "goo dun it" you have to explain your goo, provide even more evidence to support the goo, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the goo dun it assertion....that's a lot of explaining.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69788 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists above just our 4-dimensional universe...

Outside of time/space continuum...

How then would you measure that?

It would be similar to a 2-dimensional creature trying to fathom our 4-dimensional world...
Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...

Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69789 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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KK! glad to see you've re-emerged from the foul pit. The assertion that God dun it is opposite of your assertion that the goo dun it. Now your assertion complicates a lot, because with "goo dun it" you have to explain your goo, provide even more evidence to support the goo, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the goo dun it assertion....that's a lot of explaining.
Thank you for that...

:)

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69790 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...
Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.
He created us because of love...He LOVES us...not to torture...you're getting the narration wrong...
bohart

Newport, TN

#69791 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...
Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.
So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.

“Time will tell...”

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#69792 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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" ...a soul may be beyond my understanding."
and this be the way an agnostic would think.
I have no problems with agnosticism...but not allowing for your own fallibility, is pure self centered egotism.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69793 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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He created us because of love...He LOVES us...not to torture...you're getting the narration wrong...
Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69794 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
The reason God does not intervene? A being powerful enough to create the universe would take little interest in the lives of what to him would be little more advanced than viruses.

To think such a being would...

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69795 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
Sorry not a calvinist...a christian...that is a follower of Jesus Christ...and through Him God...

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69796 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
We have the freedom to choose which way to go...

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69797 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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The reason God does not intervene? A being powerful enough to create the universe would take little interest in the lives of what to him would be little more advanced than viruses.
To think such a being would...
You wouldn't take interest in your creation?

You sound a bit like a deist...

“Time will tell...”

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#69798 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
Isn't it amazing...mankind is given, maybe the most beautiful planet in the Universe, with almost unlimited resources... with the brains to develop practically anything that he can imagine...and what does mankind do?... turns it into a cesspool, then points his finger at God and says it all your fault! lol

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#69799 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
I agree that an imaginary entity can be neither the problem nor the solution.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69800 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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You wouldn't take interest in your creation?

You sound a bit like a deist...
Would I take an interest in the lives of gnats? Seriously?

But I have no reason to believe such a higher intelligence exists so not a deist. Besides if a higher intelligence did create the universe I would define it not as God but as something that had evolved in a prior universe.

On the other hand evolution is not random. There is intelligent design. Those birds blown to remote islands did not evolve randomly but instead changed to fill particular niches... just as brown bears on the arctic ice sheet evolved into polar bears. Unlike some Darwinists I see nothing happenstance about it.

“Time will tell...”

Since: Jun 12

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#69801 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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The reason God does not intervene? A being powerful enough to create the universe would take little interest in the lives of what to him would be little more advanced than viruses.
To think such a being would...
But then what would some have God do?...sit on the top of the world and reign with an an iron fist?

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#69802 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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You wouldn't take interest in your creation?
You sound a bit like a deist...
Accordiing to your nutbar side of the equation your "god" is, always has been, and rermains eternal right, so the 7 whole days he spent "creating" the earth is a pretty small investment of an eternal beings time...so why we would we assume he hasn't made maybe 6 trillion other earths or whatever??? What makess us so special that he would dote on us or even care what we are up to, the christians???C'mon what a let down for the big guy, they can't even get along with each other never mind muster the intellect capable of dissuading the naysayers...christians can't even dream big......this explains so much of the christian hate machine..........

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#69803 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Isn't it amazing...mankind is given, maybe the most beautiful planet in the Universe, with almost unlimited resources... with the brains to develop practically anything that he can imagine...and what does mankind do?... turns it into a cesspool, then points his finger at God and says it all your fault! lol
sorry....what god????????
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69804 Jan 3, 2013
MADRONE wrote:
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I agree that an imaginary entity can be neither the problem nor the solution.
Imaginary constructs are the cause of most of humanity's wars. Take how the God of the Hebrews ordered them to commit wholesale genocide killing not just men, women and children but even the livestock of their enemies. His mentality was not much different than Hitler's or Stalin's really.

If you also count non religious artificial constructs like communism imaginary entities are responsible for nearly all of humanity's ills.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Since: Jun 11

Tempe, AZ.

#69805 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Isn't it amazing...mankind is given, maybe the most beautiful planet in the Universe, with almost unlimited resources... with the brains to develop practically anything that he can imagine...and what does mankind do?... turns it into a cesspool, then points his finger at God and says it all your fault! lol
Who is pointing their finger at God and saying that??

It's hard for a non-existent God to cause anything.

There are probably a billion plus livable planets in the whole universe, and so far we have been unable to actually 'see' them to know if we live on the best one...never will either.

“Time will tell...”

Since: Jun 12

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#69806 Jan 3, 2013
lisawow wrote:
<quoted text>sorry....what god????????
don't ya mean which God?...

that's usually the standard reply...you need to get some index cards to read off of, like the others...lol

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