Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Jan 3, 2013
 
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Bananas are genetically engineered by humans.
Everything has been genetically modified by humans. Bananas only after the banana plant itself produced fruit intended to appeal to animals like us. Plants have their own survival strategy.

I suppose next someone will claim the chihuahua is not a product of natural selection.

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Jan 3, 2013
 
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What is the point of evolution?
It goes against occam's razor does it not?
It would have for the people living in Biblical times.
After all, they saw dogs, cats, snakes, donkeys, trees, flowers, and people.
So why make things complicated?
At that time, Occam's razor test favored Creationism.

But now, you can two ways.
Scientists tell us about fossil sequences, DNA samples, radiometric readings, embryo development, and vestigial organs.
You can listen to the scientists and learn as much as you can about what they are talking about.
In that case, evolution is the simplest explanation for their findings.
So Occam's razor test favors Evolution.

Or, you can ignore the scientists and pretend that they are fabricating their data just because they hate God.
In that case, you will have to see only dogs, cats, snakes, donkeys, trees, flowers, and people, just like the Biblical people.
In that case, Occam's razor test still favors Creationism.

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Okay, one more link, this one is to make up for not knowing which of the two bananas were the original species:
http://www.rationalitynow.com/blog/wp-content...
yeah, it's called banana split with nuts topping
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nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.

Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.

Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

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Jan 3, 2013
 
Occam's Razor is cut throat, rejecting other aspects of the human psyche. Why should a detective eliminate the unnecessary elements to his investigation? Will it solve the problem? Will it find the culprit?

Culprit atheists love to use this. Because they are in self-denial. They might as well not exist!

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nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.
Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.
Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
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Evolution is undirected. There is no 'point' of evolution, per se.
I would disagree with that point. From polar bears to Neanderthal man new species often evolve to better survive in a particular environment. A small population struggling to survive in a harsh new landscape...

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nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.
Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.
Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
are crabs fish? talk about dis-crime-nation!

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Evolution is undirected. There is no 'point' of evolution, per se. It is the RESULT of a species ability to change with its environment (for the most part). Successful species will prosper, those that fail to change and/or propagate will fail and become extinct.
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Occam 's+razor
"A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known."
No. It does NOT go against Occam's Razor.
In order for Creationism and/or Intelligent Design to be valid (according to Occam's Razor), you would FIRST have to prove and explain the nature of God.
Since God is a Supernatural Being ("Super" meaning "outside of"), He is not capable of being described by Science.
Thus, Creationism/Intelligent Design don't even get into the Occam's Razor competition.
Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...

Okay...

Lets try an example...

Fossils exist...
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real wrote:
nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.

Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.

Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
The Bible is largely written in parables. Which means that much like the works of Nostradamus believers can interprete it to mean pretty much anything they want. It is all about self validation.

Agreed?

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Evolution violates occam's razor...
No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.

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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...
Okay...
Lets try an example...
Fossils exist...
No, here's the list of assumptions you make:

1. All the evidence is wrong.

2. Your specific god exists.

3. A god of any sort exists.

4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.

5. That god even cares.

5. That god actually had a hand in it.

Theory of evolution assumptions:

1. That the mechanism are all natural.
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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...

Okay...

Lets try an example...

Fossils exist...
You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.

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You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.
and the rest is fable

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Evolution violates occam's razor...
So does entropy but that does not stop the second law of thermodynamics

So do you but that does not mean you are not there

Your point is what?

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I would disagree with that point. From polar bears to Neanderthal man new species often evolve to better survive in a particular environment. A small population struggling to survive in a harsh new landscape...
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You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.
God exists...

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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...
Okay...
Lets try an example...
Fossils exist...
Even simpler than that.

At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.

Example:

Lightning strikes a tree.

Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.

It is also incorrect.

We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.

That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.

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Jan 3, 2013
 
October 26, 2009Space limitations preclude correcting every error espoused by local evolution disciples ("Evolution vs. creationism, Oct. 20). However, Phil Dunham's argument can be refuted fairly briefly.

The darkening of pepper moths in England, as well as Darwin's much-touted finch beak variations study, violate an axiom known as Occam's razor. This, roughly paraphrased, posits that the simplest explanation for observed phenomena is to be preferred until disproved.

It's far more logical to assume that any species' physical traits that come to dominate a locality were always genetically present, and simply unobserved previously, rather than hoping that somehow, some way, these creatures' DNA learned from failure and improved. Science is based on observation, and the fact is these moths and finches remain just that.

Ironically, Mr. Dunham argues for stability of species when he discusses animal breeding. Even schoolchildren are aware how quickly the sterility of hybrid animal offspring prevents further variation outside primordially present species.

Peter Johnson

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No, here's the list of assumptions you make:
1. All the evidence is wrong.
2. Your specific god exists.
3. A god of any sort exists.
4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.
5. That god even cares.
5. That god actually had a hand in it.
Theory of evolution assumptions:
1. That the mechanism are all natural.
Of course, God cares. Your own imperfections are all but the beauty in your soul. You really just think the female anatomy is more superior to male, am I right? lol

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