Evolution vs. Creation

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#69780 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Perhaps Mr. Edison could, but I can't. Below is a few quotes I found from him.
My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it. What a soul may be is beyond my understanding.
So far as the religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake ... Religion is all bunk.
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
All Bibles are man-made”
“I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States”
All of the above from Thomas Alva Edison
Perhaps he was a deist.
" ...a soul may be beyond my understanding."

and this be the way an agnostic would think.

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#69781 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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and yet you ask answers to everything
Yes, because I am curious, that is why the "god dun it" no longer suffices, it's not an answer, it's an assertion, I want answers. Scientists give answers, they give evidence, evidence contains answers, their conclusions based on that evidence are logical and complete, and I have yet to see anything to suggest they are wrong about them.

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#69782 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Are you suggesting those are God bones and not dinosaur bones? Even if an intelligent being caused the big bang creation event still he would just be a more highly evolved life form from a previous universe. God is but an artificial construct.
God exists above just our 4-dimensional universe...

Outside of time/space continuum...

How then would you measure that?

It would be similar to a 2-dimensional creature trying to fathom our 4-dimensional world...

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#69783 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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and yet you ask answers to everything
LOL!

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#69784 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Prove it...
You exist...

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#69785 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Prove it...
If one could prove God in a scientific manner, there would be no need for faith. And faith is everything.
bohart

Newport, TN

#69786 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.
KK! glad to see you've re-emerged from the foul pit. The assertion that God dun it is opposite of your assertion that the goo dun it. Now your assertion complicates a lot, because with "goo dun it" you have to explain your goo, provide even more evidence to support the goo, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the goo dun it assertion....that's a lot of explaining.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69788 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists above just our 4-dimensional universe...

Outside of time/space continuum...

How then would you measure that?

It would be similar to a 2-dimensional creature trying to fathom our 4-dimensional world...
Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...

Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.

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#69789 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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KK! glad to see you've re-emerged from the foul pit. The assertion that God dun it is opposite of your assertion that the goo dun it. Now your assertion complicates a lot, because with "goo dun it" you have to explain your goo, provide even more evidence to support the goo, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the goo dun it assertion....that's a lot of explaining.
Thank you for that...

:)

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#69790 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...
Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.
He created us because of love...He LOVES us...not to torture...you're getting the narration wrong...
bohart

Newport, TN

#69791 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...
Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.
So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.

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#69792 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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" ...a soul may be beyond my understanding."
and this be the way an agnostic would think.
I have no problems with agnosticism...but not allowing for your own fallibility, is pure self centered egotism.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69793 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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He created us because of love...He LOVES us...not to torture...you're getting the narration wrong...
Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69794 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
The reason God does not intervene? A being powerful enough to create the universe would take little interest in the lives of what to him would be little more advanced than viruses.

To think such a being would...

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#69795 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
Sorry not a calvinist...a christian...that is a follower of Jesus Christ...and through Him God...

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#69796 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Nonsense. The narration is that God is omnipotent and we are his puppets. As any devout Calvinist knows there was no orininal sin because God had the whole thing planned out prior to the creation of the universe. Faith plays no role in it because he controls everything. He created Satan, Adam and Eve and then programmed them to... so he could have beings to torture for all eternity.
We have the freedom to choose which way to go...

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#69797 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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The reason God does not intervene? A being powerful enough to create the universe would take little interest in the lives of what to him would be little more advanced than viruses.
To think such a being would...
You wouldn't take interest in your creation?

You sound a bit like a deist...

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#69798 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
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So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
Isn't it amazing...mankind is given, maybe the most beautiful planet in the Universe, with almost unlimited resources... with the brains to develop practically anything that he can imagine...and what does mankind do?... turns it into a cesspool, then points his finger at God and says it all your fault! lol

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#69799 Jan 3, 2013
bohart wrote:
So mankind murders millions in wars, aborts the unborn , starves his fellow man to death for profit , rapes, steals, burns and it's Gods fault? Why? because he doesn't intervene to stop man from doing what he wants? And if he did intervene ,and put an end to all evil and violence and left man alone again ,he'd be doing the same evil again in less than a couple generations. It is what we are that is the problem.
I agree that an imaginary entity can be neither the problem nor the solution.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69800 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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You wouldn't take interest in your creation?

You sound a bit like a deist...
Would I take an interest in the lives of gnats? Seriously?

But I have no reason to believe such a higher intelligence exists so not a deist. Besides if a higher intelligence did create the universe I would define it not as God but as something that had evolved in a prior universe.

On the other hand evolution is not random. There is intelligent design. Those birds blown to remote islands did not evolve randomly but instead changed to fill particular niches... just as brown bears on the arctic ice sheet evolved into polar bears. Unlike some Darwinists I see nothing happenstance about it.

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