Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216695 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#69815 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Pretty much everyone is in agreement on that point. The question is about what if anything preceded that big bang creation event.
Something had to come before. Like if you believe in an all powerful God who created him?
anything preceding the big bang would have to be considered something...would it not?

I cannot really see anything preceding the big bang under this idea...it would imply cause and effect.

And cause and effect is something.

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#69816 Jan 3, 2013
in fact, anything preceding the big bang would have to be within the confines of time...by the very nature that it preceded...(came before)...so time would have to exist for this scenario to happen...
neutral observer

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#69817 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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just poof!...right out of thin air?
Unless of course a previous universe collapsed in on itself and collapsed into... and then was reborn.

A born again universe.

No one can see past the big bang. We can speculate I suppose.

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#69818 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Unless of course a previous universe collapsed in on itself and collapsed into... and then was reborn.
A born again universe.
No one can see past the big bang. We can speculate I suppose.
that a pretty old theory if I remember right...I was thinking it had been discarded.(?)
neutral observer

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#69819 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
in fact, anything preceding the big bang would have to be within the confines of time...by the very nature that it preceded...(came before)...so time would have to exist for this scenario to happen...
Maybe the cause came after the effect? Remember things like black holes effect not only space but also time.

Or maybe the big bang is really just a little bang in a much larger universe of such explosive creation events? Just because you lack imagination...

Certainly a bunch of primitivist shepards wandering around in the deserts of the Middle East and talking to "gods" had no concept of such things.
neutral observer

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#69820 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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that a pretty old theory if I remember right...I was thinking it had been discarded.(?)
Do you prefer the multiverse thing where there are many such universes being born and dying all the time and something in another of them ignited our big bang creation event?

If you believe God just popped into existence and then decided to create... why not save a step and just say the universe itself popped into...?

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#69821 Jan 3, 2013
besides, isn't the Universe speeding up...which would negate the big crunch theory?

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#69822 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Maybe the cause came after the effect? Remember things like black holes effect not only space but also time.
Or maybe the big bang is really just a little bang in a much larger universe of such explosive creation events? Just because you lack imagination...
Certainly a bunch of primitivist shepards wandering around in the deserts of the Middle East and talking to "gods" had no concept of such things.
well they seemed to have nailed the Observer Effect down.lol

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#69823 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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let me ask you this then...Science says that the Universe virtually popped out of nothing...is this what you believe then?
Until a better explanation comes along that fits the facts, then Yes, I accept that theory. How is it really all that different from God created the universe from nothing. Perhaps he did. The Big Bang Theory really doesn't address the presence of God. It just works on the facts that we know to explain conditions as they exist.

Do you feel threatened by science? You shouldn't. If you do, but feel that God is more powerful, then go on with your faith. If you want to tell others that God is greater than science, go ahead, but don't destroy science because you fear it. Science will gladly change if you can show better explainations to match the facts then are currently being used.

If you believe in God and you have faith in God, what do you fear? If God decides that there are not enough righteous people on Earth, He is just going to blow it up and start again. There is no need for you to try to usurp God's authority and blow things up yourself.

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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#69824 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Which is why it's not science. Thank you for proving that creationism is just woowoo.
I lost track of you...but have found you again cause last post of a few days ago got deleted accidently do to bad connection...

Anyways so i'll start anew...

You cannot seperate 'creationism' from 'evolution'...

You are here...right?

So what makes you think 'God', a superior being to me and you, could not have under gone the same process say 1 billion years ago?

Or is life on earth the only life ever, that has been able to evolve...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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#69825 Jan 3, 2013
Science cannot be compared to 'God'...

Science is like an adult throwing lego bricks in a babies pin...and as the baby grows, they simply learn what they can do with the legos...

The planet Earth is simply one big lego set...

Man playing around with matter...

“Pancakes and eggs...”

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#69826 Jan 3, 2013
And contrary to what most Anti-Christian Athiest think...not everyone needs the bible, or the bibles stories or morality, to confirm or deny the existance of 'other worldy beings'...

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#69827 Jan 3, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Until a better explanation comes along that fits the facts, then Yes, I accept that theory. How is it really all that different from God created the universe from nothing. Perhaps he did. The Big Bang Theory really doesn't address the presence of God. It just works on the facts that we know to explain conditions as they exist.
Do you feel threatened by science? You shouldn't. If you do, but feel that God is more powerful, then go on with your faith. If you want to tell others that God is greater than science, go ahead, but don't destroy science because you fear it. Science will gladly change if you can show better explainations to match the facts then are currently being used.
If you believe in God and you have faith in God, what do you fear? If God decides that there are not enough righteous people on Earth, He is just going to blow it up and start again. There is no need for you to try to usurp God's authority and blow things up yourself.
your funny...
anonymous

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#69828 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Wow. That is the most conservative view I've ever heard here in this forum. I know it's hard to break a system that works for some. But again, all these negating views are all about one trying to "fit in" and preserving what they think is the more superior inference.
The iota of human evolution can be analogous to a cell. We know it is evolving when it produces complex cell behavior. One can be defined as "impotent" when basic cytoskeletal mechanisms are suppressed. That makes one a simple yeast cell, unable to swim.
Ever heard of morpho-logical polarization of yeast cells? They become polarized when treated with mating factor from cells of the opposite mating type.
Our mating psychological make-up define our political views. Some views are the most sterile of its kind producing only one kind of mentality, cynicism.
I don't think the psychological make-up is that complicated. Animals and humans are uniquely different in that aspect though.
As I see it, pain and pleasure responses go to the cortex, but they are interpreted by the higher centers after that in a mathematical way. Pain pushes focus towards the front of the brain, pleasure to the back. Animals tend to process at a 1 to 2 bit level while humans tend to process at a 3 to 4 bit level. Males tend to organize their responses on an even number level while females are predisposed to process on an odd number level.

Basically, the hormones tend to push for a fight or flight mechanism, and even numbers are more tactical in a fight, where odd numbers are more imaginative in a flight scenario. It's not an absolute though. Environmental conditions can cause the male or female to go against the odds.

Just another theory from lil' old me. My sociology theories tend to be based on my skepticism of group behavior but I sometimes just don't think most people see the obvious or maybe I'm missing the subtle. That little prophecy is just extrapolation based on the end of the oil economy that lots of people predict. Until there's a replacement for oil, collapse of our global economy seems inevitable.

But that's off-topic! Drew just keeps pushing it so I give what I consider an honest response.
neutral observer

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#69829 Jan 3, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
And contrary to what most Anti-Christian Athiest think...not everyone needs the bible, or the bibles stories or morality, to confirm or deny the existance of 'other worldy beings'...
Unless you have either a) been abducted by the greys or b) have a ship capable of interstellar travel how do you propose confirming or denying the existence of such beings?
Mother Mary

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#69830 Jan 3, 2013
Makesure100 wrote:
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FREAKSHOW.........Republicans and Democrats are followers.......leading us to have 17 Trillion in debt..........suck it up..........Freak. We don't vote........thank GOD.
So, Jim Jones has a drink for Thy, Marshall Applewhite wants to take a trip with Thy, Warren Jeffs, the prophet needs a bed warmer........Humans are simple minded animals.....add religion and its over....pray the gay away!

“what we think we become”

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#69831 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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well they seemed to have nailed the Observer Effect down.lol
Who observes the observer? Why not give the role to an entity we call 'something' because without an observer, there will be NOTHING literally.

One call it God or Allah. One may even call it Big Brother.(but that's because our society thinks that Big Sisters can't do it). lol

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#69832 Jan 3, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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your funny...
I do my best.

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#69833 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Who observes the observer? Why not give the role to an entity we call 'something' because without an observer, there will be NOTHING literally.
One call it God or Allah. One may even call it Big Brother.(but that's because our society thinks that Big Sisters can't do it). lol
I always feel like somebodies watching me.

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#69834 Jan 3, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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I lost track of you...but have found you again cause last post of a few days ago got deleted accidently do to bad connection...
Anyways so i'll start anew...
You cannot seperate 'creationism' from 'evolution'...
You are here...right?
So what makes you think 'God', a superior being to me and you, could not have under gone the same process say 1 billion years ago?
Or is life on earth the only life ever, that has been able to evolve...
It is the only life we know that has evolved. However, we can predict that life on other planets, if it exists, would evolve as well.

Creationism is the belief that the process of the creation of life from nothing was done by a superior being or beings or a giant turtle, or a lady in a lake or whatever you want. There are various creation mythes from cultures throughout time and around the world. They have no evidence to support them, but according to their adherents, they all happened just as they are reported.

Evolution is the change in living organisms over time resulting in new information and new species. It may be related to the origin of life, but it is apart from it and makes no predictions based on the origin of life. Evolution is driven by mutation, genetic drift, and the nonrandom process of natural selection. Evidence exists to support the process of evolution and it has been codified into a theory that is the basis for all modern biology.

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