Evolution vs. Creation

[Time and Space]

Correction :Yes we're getting kind of side tracked...

(it's the key pad, or these apps on here, that make the key pad hesitate)

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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I did say you seemed...which was implied by your posts.

Since I'm not wasting my time worshiping something that lacks evidence, I have time to study pretty much everything. Instead of reading the same book over an over again, I find more books to read. Instead of sitting in some chapel having some fool tel me the same mythology over and over again, I'm watching and even participating in lectures by many very well studied people on many different topics. Instead of wasting hours a day calling to something that has not shown itself, ever, I am exploring the world itself. Instead of dealing with family or neighborhood drama over who's doing what I think is "wrong," I'm traveling the country and expanding my neighborhood to include the whole world.

Do not confused well studied with someone lacking in other areas, it's not intelligent to do so.

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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Actually your putting words in my mouth that I didn't say to justify your own belief system...
please quote me to validate your claim.

Your reply makes no sense, I said:

No, it's your claim, until demonstrated otherwise "god" is nothing but a claim, and not a very good one as it lacks in definitive description. Saying "your god" is pointing out that I am addressing your specific claim out of the millions of others. You can attempt to usurp the label just for your claim, but the other claims are just as valid as yours still. Until one specific claim is demonstrated more valid, all are just as valid.

[KittenKoder]

Time and Space wrote:

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Tebow is not wasting his life, he's earning millions now, that he won't have to labor to earn lator...and he'll be a valuable marketing commodity all throughout his life, long after his football career has ended...
Yes, we getting kind of side tracked...
But your assertion that people somehow 'waste' their life by believing in and or relating to 'God' or 'Jesus the savior'...is invalid...
On the contrary...many peoples lives are way more fulfilled, when brought into the fold of believers...just through community interaction...and being around others who celebrate higher principles...
That I do have proof and evidence of...I don't see very many sour faced Christians...
But that's not to say all religions lead to that...
Some religions indeed can be unhealthy...just depends on the leadership or motive of the person who started any given particular sect...

so you judge the value of life by how much money one has? That's just plain greed.

[anonymous]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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The example was already given.

Buddhism? Something from nothing? That's just idle speculation.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Hehehe.

Good one huh :-)

[TheIndependentMa jority]

mee wrote:

nope.... I am still NOT convinced that we came from apes. I don't know how we all came about, but it can't be from apes.
They cannot be my ancestors,NO WAY !!!!!!!
My heart and mind is my scientific evidence on this subject,until I see real proof in the future.

Darwin was stymied several times, as a young man, when exploring the islands of the Galapoagos. He missed several key elements (like NO apes do not fall from the sky, OR just materialize out of the ground into ape from) of the evolutionary theories, at that time.

But hey, NO ONE is perfect...that is why there are MANY, MANY others-that have, and will continue to contribute to the still UNKNOWN factors of ALL the theories.

(even if DUHM as ROCKs does seem to best fit our species sometimes lol)

[TheIndependentMa jority]

anonymous wrote:

<quoted text>Buddhism? Something from nothing? That's just idle speculation.

Hardly.

Peaceful living cannot be "bought", as that requires actual brain activity.
SO quit your whining.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

xxxooxxx wrote:

"I know this world is ruled by infinite intelligence. Everything that surrounds us- everything that exists - proves that there are infinite laws behind it. There can be no denying this fact. It is mathematical in its precision."
Thomas A. Edison

A brilliant man!

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "
So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"
No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
where?

So then you accept the fact that there is a possibility that your god does not exist?

[xxxooxxx]

xxxooxxx wrote:
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You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "
So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"

No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.

I asked you to validate your claim that I "stated"
"that only your god can come from nothing."

by a direct quote...that was all?

can you or not?

[TheIndependentMa jority]

anonymous wrote:

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L.Ron. Hubbard was a low-life. Check out his bio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard

DianeTICS...the one MOST boring, self-encompassed, poor excuse of a "book" ever I had the displeasure of-ugh-even trying (by forcing self) to read.
Bet there weren't many hard copies of that paperback of mere outhouse usefulness!!!!!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

[anonymous]

KittenKoder wrote:

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so you judge the value of life by how much money one has? That's just plain greed.

Well, I never liked the idea that true artist all must suffer, and die an early death before they become famous. We don't have a patronage driven society. I guess the only way to mix art with money is by selling out to the corporations, which pretty much means the art turns to cr!p.

You'll never reach more than a niche market if you don't understand the corporate formula though. I kind of packed it in on the arts because nobody appreciates it anymore. Everyone just wants a fantasy fix. So...am I pimping my imagination out or living in denial thinking that I'm not part of the system?

Let someone else start the rebellions. I'll play a part when it happens.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

xxxooxxx wrote:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "
So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"
No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
I asked you to validate your claim that I "stated"
"that only your god can come from nothing."
by a direct quote...that was all?
can you or not?

Just because we do not often SEE the science in nature-does NOT mean it is not there!!

Only ignorance would dismiss anything like that!

[xxxooxxx]

TheIndependentMajority wrote:

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A brilliant man!

I agree.

[anonymous]

xxxooxxx wrote:

xxxooxxx wrote:
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You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "
So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"
No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
I asked you to validate your claim that I "stated"
"that only your god can come from nothing."
by a direct quote...that was all?
can you or not?

If anything can come from nothing, then there is no God. Or if nothing can come from nothing, neither can God.

Idle speculation. There's no way to take it any further.

[anonymous]

TheIndependentMajority wrote:

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DianeTICS...the one MOST boring, self-encompassed, poor excuse of a "book" ever I had the displeasure of-ugh-even trying (by forcing self) to read.
Bet there weren't many hard copies of that paperback of mere outhouse usefulness!!!!!
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

Yeah, but did you read the bio? He's a classic charlatan on every level.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

KittenKoder wrote:

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So then you accept the fact that there is a possibility that your god does not exist?

Do you accept the FACT that there is a possibility that a higher intelligence of design might exist?

If not, the don't expect ANYONE else to accept (and most especially do not HARP, RAG and NAG at others about...) merely YOUR opinion, because NOT everyone will agree on the subject-EVER.
And THAT is the FACT.

[TheIndependentMa jority]

anonymous wrote:

<quoted text>If anything can come from nothing, then there is no God. Or if nothing can come from nothing, neither can God.
Idle speculation. There's no way to take it any further.

FACT.

Until Science (or whatever) proves otherwise :-)

[MIDutch]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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In fact, science is just now catching up to concepts that are thousands of years old...which is actually quite funny if you think about it...LMAO

Really?

So, when does science catch up to that "magic fruit that makes an eater immortal" concept? I'm in my 50's and wish they would hurry the hell up.

When does science catch up to the "talking animals" concept? Just like in children's cartoons. That would be fun to experience.

When does science catch up to the "sun standing still in the sky" concept for those of us who don't seem to have enough hours in the day?