Evolution vs. Creation

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“I Am No One Else”

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#69759 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Evolution violates occam's razor...
No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.

“I Am No One Else”

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#69760 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...
Okay...
Lets try an example...
Fossils exist...
No, here's the list of assumptions you make:

1. All the evidence is wrong.

2. Your specific god exists.

3. A god of any sort exists.

4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.

5. That god even cares.

5. That god actually had a hand in it.

Theory of evolution assumptions:

1. That the mechanism are all natural.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69761 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...

Okay...

Lets try an example...

Fossils exist...
You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.

“what we think we become”

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#69762 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.
and the rest is fable

“I started out with nothing”

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and still got most of it left

#69763 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Evolution violates occam's razor...
So does entropy but that does not stop the second law of thermodynamics

So do you but that does not mean you are not there

Your point is what?

“what we think we become”

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#69764 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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I would disagree with that point. From polar bears to Neanderthal man new species often evolve to better survive in a particular environment. A small population struggling to survive in a harsh new landscape...
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#69765 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.
God exists...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

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#69766 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...
Okay...
Lets try an example...
Fossils exist...
Even simpler than that.

At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.

Example:

Lightning strikes a tree.

Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.

It is also incorrect.

We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.

That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.

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#69767 Jan 3, 2013
October 26, 2009Space limitations preclude correcting every error espoused by local evolution disciples ("Evolution vs. creationism, Oct. 20). However, Phil Dunham's argument can be refuted fairly briefly.

The darkening of pepper moths in England, as well as Darwin's much-touted finch beak variations study, violate an axiom known as Occam's razor. This, roughly paraphrased, posits that the simplest explanation for observed phenomena is to be preferred until disproved.

It's far more logical to assume that any species' physical traits that come to dominate a locality were always genetically present, and simply unobserved previously, rather than hoping that somehow, some way, these creatures' DNA learned from failure and improved. Science is based on observation, and the fact is these moths and finches remain just that.

Ironically, Mr. Dunham argues for stability of species when he discusses animal breeding. Even schoolchildren are aware how quickly the sterility of hybrid animal offspring prevents further variation outside primordially present species.

Peter Johnson

Dennisport

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#69768 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, here's the list of assumptions you make:
1. All the evidence is wrong.
2. Your specific god exists.
3. A god of any sort exists.
4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.
5. That god even cares.
5. That god actually had a hand in it.
Theory of evolution assumptions:
1. That the mechanism are all natural.
Of course, God cares. Your own imperfections are all but the beauty in your soul. You really just think the female anatomy is more superior to male, am I right? lol

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#69769 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Even simpler than that.
At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.
Example:
Lightning strikes a tree.
Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.
It is also incorrect.
We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.
That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.
No it proves that YOU can't affect the natural forces around you when you might be able to.

We can create our own climate. LOL

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#69771 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Even simpler than that.
At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.
Example:
Lightning strikes a tree.
Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.
It is also incorrect.
We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.
That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.
You described the mechancal workings of lightning...the mechanical actions...such as the mechanical workings of a car...you did not describe the cause of the car...

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Orlando

#69772 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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You described the mechancal workings of lightning...the mechanical actions...such as the mechanical workings of a car...you did not describe the cause of the car...
....and at the root of it all, there may be a Supreme Deity.

If He exists, however....He used Chemistry, Biology, Physics to do His bidding.

The Bible is NOT a science book.

(I basically said the same thing just now on a different thread)

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69773 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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....and at the root of it all, there may be a Supreme Deity.
If He exists, however....He used Chemistry, Biology, Physics to do His bidding.
The Bible is NOT a science book.
(I basically said the same thing just now on a different thread)
No it isn't...

Science however cannot tell you the cause...only the mechanics...it can't even tell you the purpose behind the mechanics...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#69774 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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No it isn't...
Science however cannot tell you the cause...only the mechanics...it can't even tell you the purpose behind the mechanics...
Nor can you tell us the 'purpose' behind the mechanics.

But science DOES study the mechanics. If you choose to attribute meaning behind a snowflake falling "because God wants people in New Hampshire to ski!"....okay...I'm satisfied with the rational answer of the mechanics, without trying to guess at the purpose behind every act of nature -- because there is no "purpose" other than that which we, ourselves invent.

You can only speculate as to the author of the cause.

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#69775 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
First, where is the evidence that a god exists. Then your evidence that your god is the one that exists. Then evidence that your god did all that you claim. You just complicated everything way more than it needs to be.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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Evolution is true.....

#69776 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
Prove it...

“what we think we become”

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#69777 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just complicated everything way more than it needs to be.
and yet you ask answers to everything
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69778 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
Are you suggesting those are God bones and not dinosaur bones? Even if an intelligent being caused the big bang creation event still he would just be a more highly evolved life form from a previous universe. God is but an artificial construct.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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Dread Pirate Roberts

#69779 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Nor can you tell us the 'purpose' behind the mechanics.
But science DOES study the mechanics. If you choose to attribute meaning behind a snowflake falling "because God wants people in New Hampshire to ski!"....okay...I'm satisfied with the rational answer of the mechanics, without trying to guess at the purpose behind every act of nature -- because there is no "purpose" other than that which we, ourselves invent.
You can only speculate as to the author of the cause.
Okay...you're assumption is there is no purpose unless we assign it as such right?

Hmmm...

What happens if we take white blood cells out of a person completely?

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