Evolution vs. Creation

There are 164066 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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#69767 Jan 3, 2013
October 26, 2009Space limitations preclude correcting every error espoused by local evolution disciples ("Evolution vs. creationism, Oct. 20). However, Phil Dunham's argument can be refuted fairly briefly.

The darkening of pepper moths in England, as well as Darwin's much-touted finch beak variations study, violate an axiom known as Occam's razor. This, roughly paraphrased, posits that the simplest explanation for observed phenomena is to be preferred until disproved.

It's far more logical to assume that any species' physical traits that come to dominate a locality were always genetically present, and simply unobserved previously, rather than hoping that somehow, some way, these creatures' DNA learned from failure and improved. Science is based on observation, and the fact is these moths and finches remain just that.

Ironically, Mr. Dunham argues for stability of species when he discusses animal breeding. Even schoolchildren are aware how quickly the sterility of hybrid animal offspring prevents further variation outside primordially present species.

Peter Johnson

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#69768 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, here's the list of assumptions you make:
1. All the evidence is wrong.
2. Your specific god exists.
3. A god of any sort exists.
4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.
5. That god even cares.
5. That god actually had a hand in it.
Theory of evolution assumptions:
1. That the mechanism are all natural.
Of course, God cares. Your own imperfections are all but the beauty in your soul. You really just think the female anatomy is more superior to male, am I right? lol

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#69769 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Even simpler than that.
At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.
Example:
Lightning strikes a tree.
Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.
It is also incorrect.
We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.
That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.
No it proves that YOU can't affect the natural forces around you when you might be able to.

We can create our own climate. LOL

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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#69771 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Even simpler than that.
At the dawn of Man, ignorant, superstitious people attempted describe the natural world around them in terms that they could understand.
Example:
Lightning strikes a tree.
Their conclusion, "The gods must be angry!" That *IS* the simplest response to the unknown and meets Occam's Razor criteria.
It is also incorrect.
We now know what is the cause of, and nature of lightning, that it is the direct result of a static build-up and discharge of electrical energy in a nearby storm cloud, striking a convenient, grounded object.
That is, unless you still feel that lightning is caused because Jesus is pissed off at that particular tree.
You described the mechancal workings of lightning...the mechanical actions...such as the mechanical workings of a car...you did not describe the cause of the car...

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#69772 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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You described the mechancal workings of lightning...the mechanical actions...such as the mechanical workings of a car...you did not describe the cause of the car...
....and at the root of it all, there may be a Supreme Deity.

If He exists, however....He used Chemistry, Biology, Physics to do His bidding.

The Bible is NOT a science book.

(I basically said the same thing just now on a different thread)

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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#69773 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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....and at the root of it all, there may be a Supreme Deity.
If He exists, however....He used Chemistry, Biology, Physics to do His bidding.
The Bible is NOT a science book.
(I basically said the same thing just now on a different thread)
No it isn't...

Science however cannot tell you the cause...only the mechanics...it can't even tell you the purpose behind the mechanics...

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#69774 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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No it isn't...
Science however cannot tell you the cause...only the mechanics...it can't even tell you the purpose behind the mechanics...
Nor can you tell us the 'purpose' behind the mechanics.

But science DOES study the mechanics. If you choose to attribute meaning behind a snowflake falling "because God wants people in New Hampshire to ski!"....okay...I'm satisfied with the rational answer of the mechanics, without trying to guess at the purpose behind every act of nature -- because there is no "purpose" other than that which we, ourselves invent.

You can only speculate as to the author of the cause.

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#69775 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
First, where is the evidence that a god exists. Then your evidence that your god is the one that exists. Then evidence that your god did all that you claim. You just complicated everything way more than it needs to be.

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Evolution is true.....

#69776 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
Prove it...

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#69777 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just complicated everything way more than it needs to be.
and yet you ask answers to everything
neutral observer

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#69778 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists...
Are you suggesting those are God bones and not dinosaur bones? Even if an intelligent being caused the big bang creation event still he would just be a more highly evolved life form from a previous universe. God is but an artificial construct.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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#69779 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Nor can you tell us the 'purpose' behind the mechanics.
But science DOES study the mechanics. If you choose to attribute meaning behind a snowflake falling "because God wants people in New Hampshire to ski!"....okay...I'm satisfied with the rational answer of the mechanics, without trying to guess at the purpose behind every act of nature -- because there is no "purpose" other than that which we, ourselves invent.
You can only speculate as to the author of the cause.
Okay...you're assumption is there is no purpose unless we assign it as such right?

Hmmm...

What happens if we take white blood cells out of a person completely?

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#69780 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Perhaps Mr. Edison could, but I can't. Below is a few quotes I found from him.
My mind is incapable of conceiving such a thing as a soul. I may be in error, and man may have a soul; but I simply do not believe it. What a soul may be is beyond my understanding.
So far as the religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake ... Religion is all bunk.
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God.
All Bibles are man-made”
“I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into the public schools of the United States”
All of the above from Thomas Alva Edison
Perhaps he was a deist.
" ...a soul may be beyond my understanding."

and this be the way an agnostic would think.

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#69781 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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and yet you ask answers to everything
Yes, because I am curious, that is why the "god dun it" no longer suffices, it's not an answer, it's an assertion, I want answers. Scientists give answers, they give evidence, evidence contains answers, their conclusions based on that evidence are logical and complete, and I have yet to see anything to suggest they are wrong about them.

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#69782 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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Are you suggesting those are God bones and not dinosaur bones? Even if an intelligent being caused the big bang creation event still he would just be a more highly evolved life form from a previous universe. God is but an artificial construct.
God exists above just our 4-dimensional universe...

Outside of time/space continuum...

How then would you measure that?

It would be similar to a 2-dimensional creature trying to fathom our 4-dimensional world...

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#69783 Jan 3, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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and yet you ask answers to everything
LOL!

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

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#69784 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Prove it...
You exist...

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#69785 Jan 3, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
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Prove it...
If one could prove God in a scientific manner, there would be no need for faith. And faith is everything.
bohart

Newport, TN

#69786 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.
KK! glad to see you've re-emerged from the foul pit. The assertion that God dun it is opposite of your assertion that the goo dun it. Now your assertion complicates a lot, because with "goo dun it" you have to explain your goo, provide even more evidence to support the goo, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the goo dun it assertion....that's a lot of explaining.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69788 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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God exists above just our 4-dimensional universe...

Outside of time/space continuum...

How then would you measure that?

It would be similar to a 2-dimensional creature trying to fathom our 4-dimensional world...
Such a being would take no interest whatsoever in our existence. To imagine that he exists and has decided to create intelligent life forms just so he can torture them for all eternity...

Your fairy tale world is totally bonkers.

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