Evolution vs. Creation

[QuiteCrazy]

Cybele wrote:

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A learned behavior affects the genes and those genes are passed on. You pass on genes that is responsible for personality traits that that is affected by one's sexuality. I explained about mutation gene in previous pages in response to someone who mentioned it here.

Are you stating that personality is inherited genetically? Are you serious?! I feel like you just pulled a rug out from under me. You realize you're telling me that are decisions influence our genetic make up it is the equivalent of saying that we are writing our own genetic code.

Impossible!

Just think of the mental illnesses that are not made by choices?!
That alone ...

[QuiteCrazy]

Attraction usually is visual. But it is not necessarily confided to that.

[xxxooxxx]

KittenKoder wrote:

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I could agree that a lot of people project, but to say everyone does is a bold assertion. Bold assertions typically require bold evidence, I am simply pointing out that I have never once projected, at least not on here since it would be impossible to track down every single forum I am on and show those. So I asked for an example of me as a demonstration that saying "all" of anyone is a certain way is inaccurate, and such claims will always prove false. Stereotypes, such as the one "everyone projects," are never reliable, nor valid, assertions.

You very statement is a projection of denial...lol

[Drew Smith]

You didn't answer my question about where you got your pop psychology from.

Cybele wrote:

In case you are in denial, experts collect data from real subjects. They get information from first-hand accounts and they make their own conclusions. I happen to be the subject of MY OWN experiment.

Were there any other subjects in your experiment? A set of data points of "one" isn't especially convincing.

[anonymous]

Drew Smith wrote:

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So do you also think that it was unfair for interracial couples to raise children? After all, that was considered politically charged at one time, and in part of the United States, probably still is.

In a word, yes! There are many conditions by which I would be unwilling to raise a family. That would be one of them. Raising kids under the threat of Big Brother or an authoritarian church, as well.

It has nothing to do with approving of the relationship. It has to do with being honest about what you'll subject those kids to when they grew up trusting in you to protect them.

[anonymous]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Specific reference to where I made such an assumption, please.

I'm not sure if you did. I'm just saying that all communication includes some projecting. You asked as if you were skeptical.

[Drew Smith]

anonymous wrote:

It has nothing to do with approving of the relationship. It has to do with being honest about what you'll subject those kids to when they grew up trusting in you to protect them.

If you spoke to those children today, do you think that they would condemn their parents for having them? Or compliment their parents on their bravery, for setting an example for future generations to follow? If people don't have the courage to take chances, how does change come about?

[nanoanomaly]

Cybele wrote:

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A learned behavior affects the genes and those genes are passed on. You pass on genes that is responsible for personality traits that that is affected by one's sexuality. I explained about mutation gene in previous pages in response to someone who mentioned it here.

Brainwashing can affect how a gene expresses; deprogramming can reverse that expression, ergo, addiction and homosexuality are "learned" and can be eradicated. It is a choice unless it is forced on you.

Gene expression is not the equivalent of gene mutation.

[Hoosier Hillbilly]

Genes definitely play an important part in our
mental composition but environment is just as important:
Monkey see monkey do is at least 1/2 right.
Another thing many don't consier is diet.
You are what you eat and it helps determine brain function, physical, emotional and mental disposition and attitude.
Feed you kid a bunch of chocolate and see.
Popeye ate spinich for a reason.

[Hoosier Hillbilly]

PS: and she wasn't called Olive Oil for no reason.

[QuiteCrazy]

It may sound antiquated but Gramps is right. <shrugs> I watch it. And my munchkins as well..

<ahem>However Indiana, I don't think anyone is going gay for having tooo much chocolate... etc etc.. food transformations?! Morphic?

lol

[anonymous]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Specific reference to where I made such an assumption, please.

..and in case you're thinking it, I've never bashed you for your dress code, nor inquired as to your gender or sex status.

That doesn't mean that I won't make assumptions. Your avatar appears to be a personal picture. Your age seems to be mid-fortyish. My first assumption was that you were female, due to your seemingly slender bone structure, but the "goth" fashion and the fact that you're a programmer(a stereotypically male job) led me to conclude that you aren't altogether mainstream in your disposition.

From there, I don't ask, and you didn't tell. I avoided the cat fights that followed you, although I wondered if you were more blatantly political on other threads, and considered the possibility that you were an advocate for alternative lifestyles. As long as it was on a thread about those things, that's fine.

I can live with all that, but politics makes people paranoid and when someone like "imsickofit" came into a forum discussion and immediately turned it into a gay rights discussion, he disrupted an order that we've grown accustomed to. He probably does that on every thread. I don't reward that with civility.

[Cybele]

Drew Smith wrote:

You didn't answer my question about where you got your pop psychology from.
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Were there any other subjects in your experiment? A set of data points of "one" isn't especially convincing.

I have personal experience with all types of people

[KittenKoder]

anonymous wrote:

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..and in case you're thinking it, I've never bashed you for your dress code, nor inquired as to your gender or sex status.
That doesn't mean that I won't make assumptions. Your avatar appears to be a personal picture. Your age seems to be mid-fortyish. My first assumption was that you were female, due to your seemingly slender bone structure, but the "goth" fashion and the fact that you're a programmer(a stereotypically male job) led me to conclude that you aren't altogether mainstream in your disposition.
From there, I don't ask, and you didn't tell. I avoided the cat fights that followed you, although I wondered if you were more blatantly political on other threads, and considered the possibility that you were an advocate for alternative lifestyles. As long as it was on a thread about those things, that's fine.
I can live with all that, but politics makes people paranoid and when someone like "imsickofit" came into a forum discussion and immediately turned it into a gay rights discussion, he disrupted an order that we've grown accustomed to. He probably does that on every thread. I don't reward that with civility.

Interesting that you would bring that up unwarranted, and unrequested. You do see the irony of that being in your thoughts and not mine, correct? I hope you do.

[KittenKoder]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Brainwashing can affect how a gene expresses; deprogramming can reverse that expression, ergo, addiction and homosexuality are "learned" and can be eradicated. It is a choice unless it is forced on you.
Gene expression is not the equivalent of gene mutation.

Proof you are insane beyond a reasonable doubt.

[KittenKoder]

Cybele wrote:

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I have personal experience with all types of people

Evasion.

[Karma is a_______]

anonymous wrote:

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More or less what I've been saying.
It doesn't have to be considered a "disease" but if it's a highly disruptive pattern of behavior, I won't contest the label. I absolutely do reserve my right to defend myself against advances by a homosexual without being accused of a hate crime. I like the idea that I can interact socially without behaving like a macho-man just to keep gays away. I don't feel the need to make timid girls feel special because they talk about such weighty issues, when it does not impact them personally.
I know! I'm just being cynical, right?

Tell me how many times have you been hit on by a gay man? It sounds like you are besieged by gay man, having to keep them at bay and all. Did you ever stop and consider where you hang out or how you behave might me the issue?? Most gay men can recognize another gay man and most don't go and hit on straight men.

"I absolutely do reserve my right to defend myself against advances by a homosexual without being accused of a hate crime."

Women have to fend off advances from straight men every day. So yes unwanted advances impacts most women I know everyday.

[Cybele]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Brainwashing can affect how a gene expresses; deprogramming can reverse that expression, ergo, addiction and homosexuality are "learned" and can be eradicated. It is a choice unless it is forced on you.
Gene expression is not the equivalent of gene mutation.

Here's my reply to the concept of mutant gene:

I used to think that we can turn on and turn off genes that are dormant or active at will or by other factors in the environment. When we learn a new trait or develop a new talent or ability, the brain is sending all kinds of signals to the body. When we become aware of it, it is stored in something like memory cells. But I don't think the old genes that were active before adaptation of new traits is lost. We just 'created' new information that is stored in our memory that makes other genes less active. We can do this by consciously responding to a stimuli. The mutant genes are the by-product.

[anonymous]

Drew Smith wrote:

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If you spoke to those children today, do you think that they would condemn their parents for having them? Or compliment their parents on their bravery, for setting an example for future generations to follow? If people don't have the courage to take chances, how does change come about?

As with all things, there are reasonable risks and foolish risks and not all kids will respond the same way although it's rare to find one who will rebel against their parents, no matter the politics.

For my part, I won't:
*encumber myself with unnecessary responsibility while fighting for something I believe in.
*raise kids in a community where I don't have sufficient respect from that community.
*marry a woman based on what the community wants or expects of me.
*marry a woman who doesn't sufficiently understand the social complications of the mutual relationship.
*ever trust a church or political organization to protect me.
*use kids as a shield for my politics.

Maybe I'm just more honest about these things than most people and maybe I'm just rationalizing something else. I can't and won't try to change your mind on such things.

I think at least four of those six points are being denied by the average gay couple who wants to raise kids. Some of them may be deserved, some not, but in that particular case, there's another biological parent to consider. That's why the odds are against public support of that issue.

No matter how long the political parties let the economy run down the toilet, you won't get consensus as long as you demand gay marriage as a condition of any and every other liberal political agenda.

[Cybele]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Proof you are insane beyond a reasonable doubt.

Go F yourself