Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169062 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#69450 Jan 1, 2013
anonymous wrote:
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Infinite BS, maybe.
There can be no denying this is useless politics from someone who's run out of ideas.- scientist looking for investors or government funding.
Oh...sorry again...I overlooked maybe..

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#69451 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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besides I'm not buying the quantum "something from nothing" because of the fact that there must be possibility before you can get something from nothing...so how can you have nothing if possibility exist?
...and the only way possibility can exist, is with the Observer Effect.
You just want to twist anything to justify a belief in something you want to believe because it "feels" good. Yet your belief hinges on the exact same qualifications as naturalistic methods. If your something can come from nothing, then anything can come from nothing.

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#69452 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your point? Quantum mechanics demonstrates how it can happen, that was my point.
my point?...my point is that people that you claim to be primitive... because of the lack of today's science, were not as primitive as you think.
anonymous

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#69453 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Sorry...I'm going with Edison. I do believe he was more qualify.
Yeah, being an inventor makes him an authority on God. I've heard that logic before. Sounds fundamentalist to me.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69454 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Oh...sorry again...I overlooked maybe..
Didn't quite catch my parody? Well, you get my gist about authority.

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#69455 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You just want to twist anything to justify a belief in something you want to believe because it "feels" good. Yet your belief hinges on the exact same qualifications as naturalistic methods. If your something can come from nothing, then anything can come from nothing.
You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "

So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"

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#69456 Jan 1, 2013
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my point?...my point is that people that you claim to be primitive... because of the lack of today's science, were not as primitive as you think.
So, where are the algorithms they produced that demonstrate how something comes from nothing? Where do they show the 12 particles of matter and four forces of nature? Where do they state that stars are furnaces producing the heavier elements the rest of the universe is made of from the simpler lighter elements? Where do they outline working theories on how electricity functions? Where are their lightbulbs?

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#69457 Jan 1, 2013
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my point?...my point is that people that you claim to be primitive... because of the lack of today's science, were not as primitive as you think.
In fact, science is just now catching up to concepts that are thousands of years old...which is actually quite funny if you think about it...LMAO

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#69458 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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What "signs," you fail to see, there are no "signs" of any deity, there are just assertions lacking evidence. You'd wager a bet of your entire existence on a one in a million odds? Atheists choose red, you religious folks are choosing one number ... our of millions. We have 50-50 odds, you are reducing your odds to 1 in a million, all based on a "hunch." Hunches are what make gamblers broke, and cops dead.
Even all that aside, if you're wrong, you waste your life while the atheist leaves a mark. That mark is the only true immortality that we know of, end of story.
Now that's a self serving stretch to say that to believe in a God or Savior, that your life is 'wasted'...

Heck, Algebra or the concept of, was began be Muslims...

I don't know anyone of faith, who feels their life is 'wasted' believing in a higher diety...and whom can be found in all fields of life, from politics to medical practitionors to pilots to civic leaders, to civil rights leaders to school teachers, athletes...

How is Tim Tebow wasteing his life?

Seems to me, many who are spiritual get far more out of life than the cold lifeless inner soul of some Athiest...

So I reject that notion that Athiest someone get more out of life by being so close minded...

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#69459 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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You deny your own science because you cannot except the possibility of "God"...when in fact you state that " anything can come from nothing "
So what you are really saying is "anything can come from nothing, except "God"
No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
anonymous

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#69460 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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my point?...my point is that people that you claim to be primitive... because of the lack of today's science, were not as primitive as you think.
Are you sure that you're not miscalculating the investment that science represents?

Granted, building the Pyramids or Stonehenge sounds amazing when accomplished by stone age peoples, but why don't we think through the likelihood of a respectable, but not amazing, lever and pulley system available to people of those times?

Very few things are amazing, just new and different. Sometimes the old appears to be new again.

From the point of view of holy books, I think that they partially represent a collective work of politics. As KK noted, Roman and Greek gods were like political parties. Their stories were a product of collective popular culture. Eventually, mythologies based on "one true God" that also included a divide-and-conquer myth became the absolute fashion and were refined over millennia, having elements co-opted from one faith into the next.

There's nothing "infinite" about them, our scholars often can't get their heads around the whole thing so they exploit the glitter of it all. I don't have to accept it just because I can't recite every page of the thing!

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#69461 Jan 1, 2013
When i see folks gathered around for Xmas...filling up churches, participating in civic activities, and 'worshipping' or 'praising' God, or his principles, or listening to gospel channels, and all the talented musicians, and or ministries...

I don't see anyone who looks like they're 'wasteing' their life...to me, from an observer, their lives seem to be more enriched and have more meaning, than your average sour souled 'we come from rocks and shall return to rocks' athiest...
anonymous

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#69462 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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In fact, science is just now catching up to concepts that are thousands of years old...which is actually quite funny if you think about it...LMAO
Can you give me an example?

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#69463 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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I am not a fan of any religion, but as for the science fiction, never read it. I prefer more scientific authors like Asimov and Lovecraft.
"the left side of the brain is the seat of language and processes in a logical and sequential order."

The right side is more visual and processes intuitively, holistically, and randomly. Most people seem to have a dominant side."

You seem to be dominantly left brained to an extreme.

Which explains alot of things( not that there's anything wrong with that)

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#69464 Jan 1, 2013
Time and Space wrote:
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Now that's a self serving stretch to say that to believe in a God or Savior, that your life is 'wasted'...
Heck, Algebra or the concept of, was began be Muslims...
I don't know anyone of faith, who feels their life is 'wasted' believing in a higher diety...and whom can be found in all fields of life, from politics to medical practitionors to pilots to civic leaders, to civil rights leaders to school teachers, athletes...
How is Tim Tebow wasteing his life?
Seems to me, many who are spiritual get far more out of life than the cold lifeless inner soul of some Athiest...
So I reject that notion that Athiest someone get more out of life by being so close minded...
Tim was wasting his life, he's a sports star, a pretty pointless career choice that results in loss of brain cells and health.

Now back to the actual topic at hand. Wasting one's life worshiping something that has no evidence to support it in the hopes that you are correct is a waste of time, and therefore a waste of your life. So yes, following a deity of any sort without first requesting evidence to support it is a waste of your life. In the mean time us atheists are spending our free time learning, with open minds, about ... well ... everything.

The irony is that your entire counter argument is based on more assertions and zero evidence, so you still fail to make a counter argument at all just based on that fact. Ancient Egyptians had advanced geometry, yet we don't assert their religions are true. They ironically also have way more supporting evidence for their gods than any of the more modern ones. Aztecs had advanced astronomy, but you don't assert their gods are true, why not? They had more evidence of their gods as well, using your standards of course.

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#69465 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
you keep saying "your" God...like God would be some kind of material possession...

"you are stating that only your god can come from nothing"...

I did?...where did I say that?

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#69466 Jan 1, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Can you give me an example?
The example was already given.

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#69467 Jan 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, you are stating that only your god can come from nothing. I am stating we have no evidence of your god therefore the claim can be dismissed.
And as I said before...if there is a 'whooosh'...after it's all done and said...then what?

Like the person who stands on the beach, waiting for visual proof of that tidal wave, instead of evacuating the beach like others who saw signs...

"oh no...I need physical proof that a tidal wave exists"

Now here comes the wave, you have your proof...now what?

And what about others you have talked into standing on the beach with you...how will your doubt, or words, comfort them at that moment when the proof you so saught after is upon you...

Better to evacuate for nothing, than to stand there in the face of oblivion.

Cause at that moment, your words of doubt won't mean nothing, or provide any comfort to those you led to the beach head with you, and too are about to face oblivion...

Yes it's a hypathetical, but has real life implications...

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#69468 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"the left side of the brain is the seat of language and processes in a logical and sequential order."
The right side is more visual and processes intuitively, holistically, and randomly. Most people seem to have a dominant side."
You seem to be dominantly left brained to an extreme.
Which explains alot of things( not that there's anything wrong with that)
Interesting ...
http://www.youtube.com/user/kittenkoder

My current project is a video game, I had to learn how to put my artwork into 3D actually, thus that entire channel's existence, I was practicing sculpting on a computer in place of using clay or various other materials. I'm a music critique as well, well not a publishing critique, I help musicians who are just starting out by offering them tips on how to improve their quality. Of course I'd rather be the artist, thus my pride and joy, the one video that I finally achieved my goal of sculpting on a digital format:



I also play all woodwinds, was recruited for school band but it never interested me as much as sculpting, if only I got along with the idiotic art teachers that thought only one type of art was actually art. I am a table top gamemaster as well, as in, I create the stories and plots for the players to enjoy. Pretty popular in my heyday, such a high demand players actually paid my rent a lot so I could run more games more often. That was my favorite form of art, the character development and tales we could create.

You should avoid making assumptions, I know it's a habit, but assumptions tend to fail more often than not. Psychoanalysis isn't even accurate all the time, it's only about 75% accurate actually, thus why psychiatry is not a real science.

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#69469 Jan 1, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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you keep saying "your" God...like God would be some kind of material possession...
"you are stating that only your god can come from nothing"...
I did?...where did I say that?
No, it's your claim, until demonstrated otherwise "god" is nothing but a claim, and not a very good one as it lacks in definitive description. Saying "your god" is pointing out that I am addressing your specific claim out of the millions of others. You can attempt to usurp the label just for your claim, but the other claims are just as valid as yours still. Until one specific claim is demonstrated more valid, all are just as valid.

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