Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

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Dec 31, 2012
 
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I think Queen Victoria might have said:
"We are not amused!"
Ah, well...

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Dozerman

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Dec 31, 2012
 
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It started on Earth once Earth had life.
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The chemicals present on Earth were the result of Earth's formation from the proto-planetary disk, plus anything that hit the Earth later on, such as asteroids or comets.
if you say so. the question remains where did the chemicals,asteroids,comets come from. let me guess another form of chemical or dust. it all started somewhere everything comes from something they don't just appear
The Dude

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Dec 31, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Well, that escalated quickly!
I think marriage is an oath that is best enforced by the religious community, not the state. Let the state deal with the legal complications, whether in a civil union or a marriage. Let the state stay out of the morality issue and the religious endorsement of the conditions of a marriage.
The gays can't tell the church to marry them. The state can't wave a wand, demanding that churches recognize state marriages. Nobody gets tax breaks or inheritance breaks for marriage and no legal segue for turning gay marriage into affirmative action or hate crime laws. Makes sense yet?
Churches aren't necessary for marriage. State doesn't have to give a fig about any morality issue, it just needs to legally recognise the marriage and whatever legal benefits/detriments that go with them. Religion only enters in to play if those who are getting married give a fig about religion. Then they can work out all the religious details to their hearts content.
The Dude

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Dozerman wrote:
<quoted text> ok so what started the natural process were did it come from i mean if humans evolved from chimps or whatever were did the the chimp come from and why are they not still evolving
(sigh)

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Dozerman wrote:
<quoted text> ok so what started the natural process were did it come from i mean if humans evolved from chimps or whatever were did the the chimp come from and why are they not still evolving
A long time ago our DNA threw out an anomalous gene that had two parts joined and we ended up with 46 chromosomes instead of 48 like the chimps and great apes. That along with our hox p2 gene and hyiod bone that is necessary for speech and here we are.
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Churches aren't necessary for marriage. State doesn't have to give a fig about any morality issue, it just needs to legally recognise the marriage and whatever legal benefits/detriments that go with them. Religion only enters in to play if those who are getting married give a fig about religion. Then they can work out all the religious details to their hearts content.
That's a stealth tactic to begin with. Recognizing gay marriage implies that you recognize homosexuality as normal behavior. That leads to the hate crime laws, the Affirmative Action agenda, and all of the silly things that the state doesn't want to get tied up with, like dealing with like unwanted advances, and so on.

The state should provide civil unions that have no bearing on sexual relationships. That's it.
The Dude

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That's a stealth tactic to begin with.
Nope, just a recognition of equal rights without religious interference. Of course those who WANT religious interference still have that choice.
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Recognizing gay marriage implies that you recognize homosexuality as normal behavior.
It occurs in human communities, it occurs in animal communities. Hence, normal.
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That leads to the hate crime laws, the Affirmative Action agenda, and all of the silly things that the state doesn't want to get tied up with, like dealing with like unwanted advances, and so on.
If you don't wanna be hit on by a gay man just tell him. If you don't wanna be hit on by a black person just tell them. If you don't wanna be hit on by a woman just tell her. Any potentially illegal responses from either party are dealt with in the normal way.

Note how your concerns are just as equally addressed whether we're talking about homosexuals, blacks or women.
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The state should provide civil unions that have no bearing on sexual relationships. That's it.
And marriages that have no bearing on sexual relationships. Girl/guy? Same marriage laws. Guy/guy? Same marriage laws. Girl/girl? Same marriage laws. Black/white? Same marriage laws. Simples. The only reason NOT to allow this to happen is a desire to impose unequal restrictions on a particular group. This is very potentially unConstitutional.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Even atheists marry.
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Or they can have a civil union.
Not and still be assured of being treated legally the same as married couples.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Dozerman wrote:
it all started somewhere everything comes from something they don't just appear
At this point, the evidence allows us to push back the history of the Universe to the hot dense state that preceded the Big Bang. More than that, we can say only "We don't yet know". It certainly doesn't allow us to conclude "It was poofed into existence magically by a god".

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Recognizing gay marriage implies that you recognize homosexuality as normal behavior.
It *is* normal behavior, for gay individuals.
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Dec 31, 2012
 
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I need gay sex! Will he fill that need for me? Or just more of that placebo nonsense?
:-/
I need sunshine, but hey you know...there are days, where there sure isn't much.

And sometimes on those types of days, Lord give me strength!
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Nope, just a recognition of equal rights without religious interference. Of course those who WANT religious interference still have that choice.
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It occurs in human communities, it occurs in animal communities. Hence, normal.
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If you don't wanna be hit on by a gay man just tell him. If you don't wanna be hit on by a black person just tell them. If you don't wanna be hit on by a woman just tell her. Any potentially illegal responses from either party are dealt with in the normal way.
Note how your concerns are just as equally addressed whether we're talking about homosexuals, blacks or women.
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And marriages that have no bearing on sexual relationships. Girl/guy? Same marriage laws. Guy/guy? Same marriage laws. Girl/girl? Same marriage laws. Black/white? Same marriage laws. Simples. The only reason NOT to allow this to happen is a desire to impose unequal restrictions on a particular group. This is very potentially unConstitutional.
Now you're being simple. Blacks and women are not being denied marriage nor do they have any interest in hitting on me. Blacks and women are what they are by genetics. What is the recognition and what is the religious interference that you talk about? It sounds rhetorical, not real.

If gays want the government to dictate to churches, that's wrong. They can always make their own church. The recognition isn't morality, it's a legal prejudice. It's recognition with a money angle, as all politics is. I'm not lifting a finger to help them blockade my political agendas or harass me with legal vigilantism.

I suppose you haven't ever worked in government and seen how people abuse discrimination laws either. Social engineering is a sloppy, last-chance effort to prevent riots at best. At worst, it buries the problems until they blow up in everyone's face.

I have a sister who ran on and on about how bad ol' business didn't hire minorities. We were at a scientist convention of hers and I asked her why no minorities (OK, mostly Blacks, and in Washington DC, 80% or so Black!) were in attendance. She blamed it on bad ol' business and wasn't even slightly interested in the fact that these were all university eggheads who probably never punched a clock off-campus in their entire lives!

The social problems are EVERYONE'S problems. You can't cherry pick the ones that fit your political pose and toss out the rest. Get rid of the tax breaks for married people and the inheritance breaks. See if anyone cares about recognition when you've eliminated the prejudicial treatment that married people get in their favor.
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Dec 31, 2012
 
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Even atheists marry.
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Not and still be assured of being treated legally the same as married couples.
Then that should change, but not just for gays, and not to the detriment of single, tax paying citizens.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Not and still be assured of being treated legally the same as married couples.
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Then that should change, but not just for gays, and not to the detriment of single, tax paying citizens.
And the legal recognition of marriage is detrimental to single, tax-paying citizens how, exactly?
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It *is* normal behavior, for gay individuals.
....Who make up a minute portion of the population. Most estimates, about 1 or 2 percent, liberals always claim about 7 percent and gays think Lincoln was gay. I don't have time to waste on the statistics.

Normal is also biological normal, where sex is about reproduction. Anything else, is your personal thrill and not anything that the state needs to protect.

Our Constitution allows people to pursue happiness. It doesn't guarantee happiness. At what point do we pack it all in on freedom and wad everything up into a ball do be dispersed in quotas? If that's your idea of government, have at it. Most of us are willing to give freedom a chance as long as we really are getting that chance. Quotas aren't freedom and they aren't a chance to improve one's place in the world.
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The Dude wrote:
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Nope, just a recognition of equal rights without religious interference. Of course those who WANT religious interference still have that choice.
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It occurs in human communities, it occurs in animal communities. Hence, normal.
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If you don't wanna be hit on by a gay man just tell him. If you don't wanna be hit on by a black person just tell them. If you don't wanna be hit on by a woman just tell her. Any potentially illegal responses from either party are dealt with in the normal way.
Note how your concerns are just as equally addressed whether we're talking about homosexuals, blacks or women.
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And marriages that have no bearing on sexual relationships. Girl/guy? Same marriage laws. Guy/guy? Same marriage laws. Girl/girl? Same marriage laws. Black/white? Same marriage laws. Simples. The only reason NOT to allow this to happen is a desire to impose unequal restrictions on a particular group. This is very potentially unConstitutional.
Oh, yes. Animals have diseases just like people do! Will you accept "recognition" of a mentally handicapped status?

Didn't think so. Politics!
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Not and still be assured of being treated legally the same as married couples.
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And the legal recognition of marriage is detrimental to single, tax-paying citizens how, exactly?
Unequal taxation....or are you just going to deny that obvious truth. SOMEone has to pay for all those social engineering programs.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
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Who make up a minute portion of the population.


The percentage of the population is irrelevant when it comes to human rights. Even if 99% of the population were Christian and only 1% were non-Christian, the state would still not be allowed treat the Christians more favorably than the non-Christians.
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Normal is also biological normal, where sex is about reproduction.
Even people who know that their sexual activities will not result in offspring still engage in sex. So no, sex is not merely about reproduction.
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Anything else, is your personal thrill and not anything that the state needs to protect.
On the contrary, the state protects every adult's right to engage in consensual sexual behavior.

Oh, and we weren't discussing quotas when it comes to homosexuality. I guess you missed that.

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Dec 31, 2012
 
And the legal recognition of marriage is detrimental to single, tax-paying citizens how, exactly?
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Unequal taxation
Ever heard of the marriage penalty? Unequal for *married people*.

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