Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69359 Dec 31, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
I went to grade school where a Jehovah's witness was scolded, and made by the teacher to stand in the hallway, because he refuses to recite the pledge of allegiance because it gave allegiance to the government before god..which was against his beliefs.
Kid should'a sued the fecker. "Before God" wasn't even in it until that dolt Billy Graham came along with his pro-Christian=anti-Commie rhetoric.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69360 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Communism is not democracy, period. Marx never addressed checks and balances, but put his faith in a natural ruling class. What you really want to address is socialism, which has never been fully defined as a method of government. It's partially Keynesian economics and partially social engineering. The economics, I like, the social engineering needs work.
Hey, I didn't say it was perfect.(shrug)
anonymous wrote:
You missed my point. Discrimination based on religion IS the exception. My view is that religion is inherently discriminatory, but then we wouldn't need a vote if we agreed on everything. Let religion work out the ethics of our choices, but let democracy work out the budgets, the legal protocols and the agendas of the nation.
Except let religion do that only for individuals, not imposed on other groups. For example, the ethics of homosexuality. Many who oppose equal rights for gays use religion as the excuse. Others however are more open about their bigotry.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69361 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
So you're saying that you have no *objective* evidence that supports a claim that homosexuality is merely about people lusting after their own bodies. Yeah, we figured that.
<quoted text>
One of those sexual organs is the human brain, which determines whether we're attracted to members of the same sex or members of the opposite sex.
Are you referring to intellectual intercourse? So you think the brain is a sexual organ?
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69362 Dec 31, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
(guy touches you on shoulder)
"Hey man, buy you a drink?"
"Nah, just waiting for my GF. Thanks anyway!"
You have GOT to be kidding me!!
<young me sitting on a bench at the mall. old gnarly guy walks up and sits down>
him: Wanna suck?
me: What?!
him: Wanna suck?
me: <stands up, startled>
him: <stands up>
me: <sits down>
him:<sits down>
me: <gets up, walks away quickly>
him: <gets up and walks away in the other direction, blending into the crowd>

That's how it goes when you've got witnesses. When you don't, a lot more chances are taken.

Clueless!
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69363 Dec 31, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus existed. You are just wasting your time trying to deny the impossible.
Yeah, I suppose it is a waste of time denying the existence of zombies. They definitely got to your brains.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69364 Dec 31, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, I didn't say it was perfect.(shrug)
<quoted text>
Except let religion do that only for individuals, not imposed on other groups. For example, the ethics of homosexuality. Many who oppose equal rights for gays use religion as the excuse. Others however are more open about their bigotry.
My point is that marriage should not be a government function. The government should not endorse one behavior over another and civil unions and marriage should carry the same legal status but no legal or economic privilege, period.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69365 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You have GOT to be kidding me!!
<young me sitting on a bench at the mall. old gnarly guy walks up and sits down>
him: Wanna suck?
me: What?!
him: Wanna suck?
me: <stands up, startled>
him: <stands up>
me: <sits down>
him:<sits down>
me: <gets up, walks away quickly>
him: <gets up and walks away in the other direction, blending into the crowd>
That's how it goes when you've got witnesses. When you don't, a lot more chances are taken.
Clueless!
Well.

At least THAT didn't suck.

.

It didn't, right?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#69366 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you referring to intellectual intercourse? So you think the brain is a sexual organ?
As the epicentre of all things hubba hubba, YEAH!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69367 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't think that my conclusions are not based on empirical evidence? I am newtral. You know like newt gingrich
I prefer the Monty Python Newt.

"She's a witch! She turned me into a newt!

...."I got better!"
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69368 Dec 31, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Well.
At least THAT didn't suck.
.
It didn't, right?
I think Queen Victoria might have said:

"We are not amused!"

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Level 4

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#69369 Dec 31, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I don't believe it ever happened. There are just too many holes and inconsistencies in the whole God thing, and to be honest I really doubt the Jesus story. What with knowing that the Adam and Eve story is just a myth and they didn't exist...what need was there for him. No 'Original Sin' equals no need for a 'human' sacrifice to atone for non-existent 'Original Sin'.
But 'you' happened...so what makes you think 'God' could not have 'happened' also?

“Pancakes and eggs...”

Level 4

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#69370 Dec 31, 2012
'God' simply being used as a generic term for higher beings...for the sake of this discussion...

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69371 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that marriage should not be a government function. The government should not endorse one behavior over another and civil unions and marriage should carry the same legal status but no legal or economic privilege, period.
So no need for laws?

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69372 Dec 31, 2012
I think Science will become the new religion of future generations. That's the only way to save the evolution of our species.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69373 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
So no need for laws?
Well, that escalated quickly!

I think marriage is an oath that is best enforced by the religious community, not the state. Let the state deal with the legal complications, whether in a civil union or a marriage. Let the state stay out of the morality issue and the religious endorsement of the conditions of a marriage.

The gays can't tell the church to marry them. The state can't wave a wand, demanding that churches recognize state marriages. Nobody gets tax breaks or inheritance breaks for marriage and no legal segue for turning gay marriage into affirmative action or hate crime laws. Makes sense yet?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69374 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but is that actually a biological phenomena, or is it an attempt to communicate something that one fears rejection of?
I only take Freud in bits and pieces. Same defense mechanism, different judgement from the outside world. Just trying to be fair and balanced.
It's a different matter entirely. The wiki gives a pretty good description so I won't repeat that part.

Let's take something we all know on here well enough, I will refrain from referencing specific persons or posts though:

Take someone who is overly sexual, either because that's how they are or because they have been brainwashed into thinking that's how they should be. The brainwashing version is actually quite typical of women in the US, they like to fill our heads with this "women should be sensual" bull and give us "baby" dolls as young girls to enforce it.

So they become overly sexual and deep down feel shame for that as well, a side effect of religious doctrine. Thus they over sexualize everything, to them everything has to be about sex because that's all they believe they should think about, but they struggle with the "teaching" that it's wrong to think about it so they feel guilty in some way.

Along comes someone who shows no sexual urges, no drive at all, so they try to find anything they can to call sexual, even when there is nothing sexual about it, as a way to say, in their mind, "that person likes sex a lot so I must be 'normal'." Even though outwardly they'll say things like "that's a sin and you should be ashamed of it." I also call it "forced common ground," because they are trying to bridge a gap that's not even there by using their own traits completely ignoring any possibility that the other person has different traits.

I hope I explained it well and didn't ramble too much. Psychology is a fascinating subject, and seeing such a strong case of any psychological trait in a single person spikes my interest in them.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69375 Dec 31, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
'God' simply being used as a generic term for higher beings...for the sake of this discussion...
Then you shouldn't use the christian colloquial in the conversation.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69376 Dec 31, 2012
Time and Space wrote:
<quoted text>
But 'you' happened...so what makes you think 'God' could not have 'happened' also?
Here's what you missed, it's not the possibility of a god existing that is the problem, it's the claims of specific gods existing that are fallacious. Until evidence is provided the only sane, and intelligent, thing to do is to dismiss it until evidence is provided. Believing in something without evidence is called delusion.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69377 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Well, that escalated quickly!
I think marriage is an oath that is best enforced by the religious community, not the state. Let the state deal with the legal complications, whether in a civil union or a marriage. Let the state stay out of the morality issue and the religious endorsement of the conditions of a marriage.
The gays can't tell the church to marry them. The state can't wave a wand, demanding that churches recognize state marriages. Nobody gets tax breaks or inheritance breaks for marriage and no legal segue for turning gay marriage into affirmative action or hate crime laws. Makes sense yet?
I don't believe in marriage. period. I don't know why women fantasize about this fairy tale of meeting their prince charles. I'm not into that thing.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69378 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
My point is that marriage should not be a government function. The government should not endorse one behavior over another and civil unions and marriage should carry the same legal status but no legal or economic privilege, period.
I actually agree here, I say get marriage out of the laws completely, no more regulation, no more messy and stupid laws, bans, or regulations needed. Straight or gay, if they want to get married, great, have at it. Without the laws it doesn't matter.

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