Evolution vs. Creation

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008. Full Story

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69304 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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..and in case you're thinking it, I've never bashed you for your dress code, nor inquired as to your gender or sex status.
That doesn't mean that I won't make assumptions. Your avatar appears to be a personal picture. Your age seems to be mid-fortyish. My first assumption was that you were female, due to your seemingly slender bone structure, but the "goth" fashion and the fact that you're a programmer(a stereotypically male job) led me to conclude that you aren't altogether mainstream in your disposition.
From there, I don't ask, and you didn't tell. I avoided the cat fights that followed you, although I wondered if you were more blatantly political on other threads, and considered the possibility that you were an advocate for alternative lifestyles. As long as it was on a thread about those things, that's fine.
I can live with all that, but politics makes people paranoid and when someone like "imsickofit" came into a forum discussion and immediately turned it into a gay rights discussion, he disrupted an order that we've grown accustomed to. He probably does that on every thread. I don't reward that with civility.
Interesting that you would bring that up unwarranted, and unrequested. You do see the irony of that being in your thoughts and not mine, correct? I hope you do.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69305 Dec 31, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Brainwashing can affect how a gene expresses; deprogramming can reverse that expression, ergo, addiction and homosexuality are "learned" and can be eradicated. It is a choice unless it is forced on you.
Gene expression is not the equivalent of gene mutation.
Proof you are insane beyond a reasonable doubt.

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69306 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I have personal experience with all types of people
Evasion.

Level 1

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#69307 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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More or less what I've been saying.
It doesn't have to be considered a "disease" but if it's a highly disruptive pattern of behavior, I won't contest the label. I absolutely do reserve my right to defend myself against advances by a homosexual without being accused of a hate crime. I like the idea that I can interact socially without behaving like a macho-man just to keep gays away. I don't feel the need to make timid girls feel special because they talk about such weighty issues, when it does not impact them personally.
I know! I'm just being cynical, right?
Tell me how many times have you been hit on by a gay man? It sounds like you are besieged by gay man, having to keep them at bay and all. Did you ever stop and consider where you hang out or how you behave might me the issue?? Most gay men can recognize another gay man and most don't go and hit on straight men.

"I absolutely do reserve my right to defend myself against advances by a homosexual without being accused of a hate crime."

Women have to fend off advances from straight men every day. So yes unwanted advances impacts most women I know everyday.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69308 Dec 31, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Brainwashing can affect how a gene expresses; deprogramming can reverse that expression, ergo, addiction and homosexuality are "learned" and can be eradicated. It is a choice unless it is forced on you.
Gene expression is not the equivalent of gene mutation.
Here's my reply to the concept of mutant gene:

I used to think that we can turn on and turn off genes that are dormant or active at will or by other factors in the environment. When we learn a new trait or develop a new talent or ability, the brain is sending all kinds of signals to the body. When we become aware of it, it is stored in something like memory cells. But I don't think the old genes that were active before adaptation of new traits is lost. We just 'created' new information that is stored in our memory that makes other genes less active. We can do this by consciously responding to a stimuli. The mutant genes are the by-product.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69309 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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If you spoke to those children today, do you think that they would condemn their parents for having them? Or compliment their parents on their bravery, for setting an example for future generations to follow? If people don't have the courage to take chances, how does change come about?
As with all things, there are reasonable risks and foolish risks and not all kids will respond the same way although it's rare to find one who will rebel against their parents, no matter the politics.

For my part, I won't:
*encumber myself with unnecessary responsibility while fighting for something I believe in.
*raise kids in a community where I don't have sufficient respect from that community.
*marry a woman based on what the community wants or expects of me.
*marry a woman who doesn't sufficiently understand the social complications of the mutual relationship.
*ever trust a church or political organization to protect me.
*use kids as a shield for my politics.

Maybe I'm just more honest about these things than most people and maybe I'm just rationalizing something else. I can't and won't try to change your mind on such things.

I think at least four of those six points are being denied by the average gay couple who wants to raise kids. Some of them may be deserved, some not, but in that particular case, there's another biological parent to consider. That's why the odds are against public support of that issue.

No matter how long the political parties let the economy run down the toilet, you won't get consensus as long as you demand gay marriage as a condition of any and every other liberal political agenda.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69310 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Proof you are insane beyond a reasonable doubt.
Go F yourself

Level 1

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#69311 Dec 31, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>It is not genetic, it is learned behavior.
If homosexuality is a learned behavior, wouldn't the flip side of the coin also be true, that heterosexuality is a learned behavior.

Please enlighten me, when did you make a choice to be attracted to the opposite sex?

I for one was always attracted to women before I was in first grade. I can remember finding my Dad's Playboys at about 9 or 10.

I never woke up one day and decided to be attracted to the opposite sex, it was just there. So I can't imagine it would be any other way for a homosexual. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Level 1

Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#69312 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Here's my reply to the concept of mutant gene:
I used to think that we can turn on and turn off genes that are dormant or active at will or by other factors in the environment. When we learn a new trait or develop a new talent or ability, the brain is sending all kinds of signals to the body. When we become aware of it, it is stored in something like memory cells. But I don't think the old genes that were active before adaptation of new traits is lost. We just 'created' new information that is stored in our memory that makes other genes less active. We can do this by consciously responding to a stimuli. The mutant genes are the by-product.
I have a friend who has a degree in microbiology, can't wait to show her this. I'm sure she'll laugh her head off.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69313 Dec 31, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
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Are you stating that personality is inherited genetically? Are you serious?! I feel like you just pulled a rug out from under me. You realize you're telling me that are decisions influence our genetic make up it is the equivalent of saying that we are writing our own genetic code.
Impossible!
Just think of the mental illnesses that are not made by choices?!
That alone ...
Yes personality traits are a product of both biological and environmental factors

Go "Find" yourself

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69314 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Go F yourself
Funny that you would respond for it. You are becoming a very interesting subject.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#69315 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
I have personal experience with all types of people
So you're saying that you have no *objective* evidence that supports a claim that homosexuality is merely about people lusting after their own bodies.

Yeah, we figured that.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Level 8

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#69316 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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I'm not sure if you did. I'm just saying that all communication includes some projecting. You asked as if you were skeptical.
I am. Are you actually suggesting that all forms of communication involves psychological projection? That has a very specific definition. If that is your claim, I'll like to hear something in the way of an explanation.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69317 Dec 31, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Tell me how many times have you been hit on by a gay man? It sounds like you are besieged by gay man, having to keep them at bay and all. Did you ever stop and consider where you hang out or how you behave might me the issue?? Most gay men can recognize another gay man and most don't go and hit on straight men.
"I absolutely do reserve my right to defend myself against advances by a homosexual without being accused of a hate crime."
Women have to fend off advances from straight men every day. So yes unwanted advances impacts most women I know everyday.
Actually, more than once, and always it's been like contending with a boar in a rut. Nothing civil about it.

I respect what women have to contend with concerning unwanted advances. That often doesn't stop them from pursuing alpha thugs.

As far as appearing gay goes, well, I think I may appear a bit androgynous to them. I'm right brain dominant, and I think that there may be a certain "feline" quality of appearance to me that may come from some Native American in the family tree.(kind of thick eyelashes too!) I don't ugly myself up, but I don't market myself as a pretty boy either! I just don't try to be a thug because I know that fighting back against one football player or gang member won't end at that. They're pack animals and I have no interest in the pack.

Now, are you going to smile knowingly to yourself and suggest that I need "protection", cause you're not going to get a dime! ;)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#69318 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
I think at least four of those six points are being denied by the average gay couple who wants to raise kids. Some of them may be deserved, some not, but in that particular case, there's another biological parent to consider. That's why the odds are against public support of that issue.
More than 60% of Americans support adoption by gays.
anonymous wrote:
you won't get consensus as long as you demand gay marriage as a condition of any and every other liberal political agenda.
Given that a *majority* of Americans already support the legal recognition of same-sex marriage, it's hardly going against the tide to demand that the United States deal with it.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69319 Dec 31, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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I am. Are you actually suggesting that all forms of communication involves psychological projection? That has a very specific definition. If that is your claim, I'll like to hear something in the way of an explanation.
All forms of communication that are about emotions, yes. You disagree?

“I Am No One Else”

Level 7

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69320 Dec 31, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>All forms of communication that are about emotions, yes. You disagree?
Well, that's not the same as psychological projection.

This is what we're talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_pr...

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69321 Dec 31, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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If homosexuality is a learned behavior, wouldn't the flip side of the coin also be true, that heterosexuality is a learned behavior.
Please enlighten me, when did you make a choice to be attracted to the opposite sex?
I for one was always attracted to women before I was in first grade. I can remember finding my Dad's Playboys at about 9 or 10.
I never woke up one day and decided to be attracted to the opposite sex, it was just there. So I can't imagine it would be any other way for a homosexual. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Heterosexuality is not learned, it is a basic instinct. Homosexual behaviors are traits that have crossed the boundaries of our basic instincts. It's become 'mutant genes' and therefore can be passed on. The environment can influence your biological traits and you have a choice to either respond passively or actively or consciously or subconsciously. It all starts from infancy. A child can respond to his environment actively and can learn homosexual traits that he has inherited while developing a personality at a young age. Some takes decades before they realize they must satisfy those homosexual tendencies. It's because it has taken that time for the environmental factors to nurture the those needs. It's all psychological really. Our body just responds to what the mind tells us.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#69322 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Interesting that you would bring that up unwarranted, and unrequested. You do see the irony of that being in your thoughts and not mine, correct? I hope you do.
I suppose you are referring to the cat fights. To some extent, it seemed that you weren't avoiding them but you were not being quite so mean as others so I figured I wouldn't butt in and ruin your style of debate. Was that the wrong assumption to make? As I've said, I do make assumptions and the Goth style of dress usually suggests someone who does things their own way.

“what we think we become”

Level 5

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69323 Dec 31, 2012
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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I have a friend who has a degree in microbiology, can't wait to show her this. I'm sure she'll laugh her head off.
Well I would love to hear what her laughing head has to say.

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