Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221446 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#69150 Dec 30, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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A heart is a difficult thing to kill, I wonder how so many religious nuts do it.
We all do the necessary evil. Your mind can kill the heart just as much as doing the action.

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#69151 Dec 30, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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So you want to know the relationship between sexuality and creativity? To me, sexuality is the drive that seeks to satisfy a desire and creativity satisfies that. For example, my desire to be spiritual and one with the universe (ALL) gives me increased awareness or consciousness. That creates emotional, chemical, mental or psychological responses to all that I want to be attached to. I think the higher the sexual drive, the more one seeks out ways to satisfy that desire. And being aware that there are many ways to satisfy that desire will cause a person to be more creative.
Now what is your point with all this? Can a skeptic relate to me?
I can relate to you, but I don't know if I agree with the role you have given sexuality. It is interesting and I will have to give it more thought. From a personal standpoint, I should be one highly creative individual. I suppose it depends on how you define creativity. Is it just ideas or if the ideas have to always be rendered into some form?

I do consider sexuality and communication linked in that sex is a form of communication between people in addition to its biological function. This idea may be out there for some, but I acquired it and have since developed it after reading Stranger in a Strange Land when I was 10. I have not thought about the idea of pushing that desire into other avenues. Again, I will have to give this some thought.

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#69152 Dec 30, 2012
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Because you claim that science has ethics. The basic principles of scientific methodology is:
1) Question
2) Hypothesis
3) Prediction
4) Test
5) Analysis
Step 4 is where your ethics is coming into play. Why is Mengele's testing so revolting?
The ethics in science don't need an external higher power as the source anymore than ethics in the rest of the world need it. All you can do is show your belief that it does.

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#69153 Dec 30, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
So you want to know the relationship between sexuality and creativity? To me, sexuality is the drive that seeks to satisfy a desire and creativity satisfies that. For example, my desire to be spiritual and one with the universe (ALL) gives me increased awareness or consciousness. That creates emotional, chemical, mental or psychological responses to all that I want to be attached to. I think the higher the sexual drive, the more one seeks out ways to satisfy that desire. And being aware that there are many ways to satisfy that desire will cause a person to be more creative.
Now what is your point with all this? Can a skeptic relate to me?
Creativity is an innate capability in all species, especially strong in many mammals. We have seen it demonstrated in almost all living organisms, even in those that reproduce asexually such as bacteria and viruses. If it was connected to sexuality then most species would not exhibit this innate trait. It actually appears to be the only trait common to all living things, which would be a qualitative argument for a "soul" if any. However, again, it has no correlation to sexual drive at all.

I can play a slew of musical instruments, even create my own music, but I am more a visual artist than any, online I have a ton or material demonstrating such actually. Yet I have no sexual desires at all. Now, does art require a "soul?" That's debatable, of course assuming that a soul actually exists. Lovecraft and many artists have demonstrated that even the dark itself can be artistic in many ways, the absence of life doesn't hinder the production of highly artistic or creative displays. Aurora Borealis is another great example of art simply existing. Other such examples include granite, marble, and quartz. There are a ton of artistic examples in biological life, more than anyone can count, even in the fossil record. The fern leaf, which can be represented mathematically very easily, is itself a form of art, thus even math can be creativity. The Mandelbrot is one of the most recognized, and creative, mathematical formulas in existence. It's beauty and intricacy is unparalleled ... it's perfection if any such thing exists. Most of these things require little to no sexuality at all to produce, even the star formations on any given planet. Because Art is simply another form of anthropomorphism, it's beautiful, but very explainable. Our minds seek out the patterns, the patterns then become art, creativity is simply another application of the patterns.

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#69154 Dec 30, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
We all do the necessary evil. Your mind can kill the heart just as much as doing the action.
When the heart rules the mind, one look and love is blind.

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#69155 Dec 30, 2012
Night all. Pleasant New Year to you all.

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#69156 Dec 30, 2012
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Because you claim that science has ethics. The basic principles of scientific methodology is:
1) Question
2) Hypothesis
3) Prediction
4) Test
5) Analysis
Step 4 is where your ethics is coming into play. Why is Mengele's testing so revolting?
Where did I claim science itself has ethics? I fail to see how a method can have any such thing.

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#69157 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Creativity is an innate capability in all species, especially strong in many mammals. We have seen it demonstrated in almost all living organisms, even in those that reproduce asexually such as bacteria and viruses. If it was connected to sexuality then most species would not exhibit this innate trait. It actually appears to be the only trait common to all living things, which would be a qualitative argument for a "soul" if any. However, again, it has no correlation to sexual drive at all.
I can play a slew of musical instruments, even create my own music, but I am more a visual artist than any, online I have a ton or material demonstrating such actually. Yet I have no sexual desires at all. Now, does art require a "soul?" That's debatable, of course assuming that a soul actually exists. Lovecraft and many artists have demonstrated that even the dark itself can be artistic in many ways, the absence of life doesn't hinder the production of highly artistic or creative displays. Aurora Borealis is another great example of art simply existing. Other such examples include granite, marble, and quartz. There are a ton of artistic examples in biological life, more than anyone can count, even in the fossil record. The fern leaf, which can be represented mathematically very easily, is itself a form of art, thus even math can be creativity. The Mandelbrot is one of the most recognized, and creative, mathematical formulas in existence. It's beauty and intricacy is unparalleled ... it's perfection if any such thing exists. Most of these things require little to no sexuality at all to produce, even the star formations on any given planet. Because Art is simply another form of anthropomorphism, it's beautiful, but very explainable. Our minds seek out the patterns, the patterns then become art, creativity is simply another application of the patterns.
Again where did I say that satisfying a sexual drive means getting in bed? Creativity satisfies sexual desires. Creativity takes many form. I'm highly artistic and when express myself through art, I have subconsciously satisfied my desires. It's why we have people fetish. They're associating them with sexuality.

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#69158 Dec 31, 2012
typo - It's why some people have fetish

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#69159 Dec 31, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>The ethics in science don't need an external higher power as the source anymore than ethics in the rest of the world need it. All you can do is show your belief that it does.
But I don't claim that there is a supernatural force for ethics.

I'm asking where the ethics for science comes from.

Personally, I have a fairly good idea about that, but I wanted to hear ideas from others by asking a difficult question. I tried to frame it in a softball lob.

The resistance to my questioning speaks quite a bit. But understandable to me.

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#69160 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did I claim science itself has ethics? I fail to see how a method can have any such thing.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/weird/T9QUH2O...

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#69161 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Creativity is an innate capability in all species, especially strong in many mammals. We have seen it demonstrated in almost all living organisms, even in those that reproduce asexually such as bacteria and viruses. If it was connected to sexuality then most species would not exhibit this innate trait. It actually appears to be the only trait common to all living things, which would be a qualitative argument for a "soul" if any. However, again, it has no correlation to sexual drive at all.
I can play a slew of musical instruments, even create my own music, but I am more a visual artist than any, online I have a ton or material demonstrating such actually. Yet I have no sexual desires at all. Now, does art require a "soul?" That's debatable, of course assuming that a soul actually exists. Lovecraft and many artists have demonstrated that even the dark itself can be artistic in many ways, the absence of life doesn't hinder the production of highly artistic or creative displays. Aurora Borealis is another great example of art simply existing. Other such examples include granite, marble, and quartz. There are a ton of artistic examples in biological life, more than anyone can count, even in the fossil record. The fern leaf, which can be represented mathematically very easily, is itself a form of art, thus even math can be creativity. The Mandelbrot is one of the most recognized, and creative, mathematical formulas in existence. It's beauty and intricacy is unparalleled ... it's perfection if any such thing exists. Most of these things require little to no sexuality at all to produce, even the star formations on any given planet. Because Art is simply another form of anthropomorphism, it's beautiful, but very explainable. Our minds seek out the patterns, the patterns then become art, creativity is simply another application of the patterns.
What? The art you see in the universe is a product of an entity's expression of creativity, how do you know it's not sexual?

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#69162 Dec 31, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I can relate to you, but I don't know if I agree with the role you have given sexuality. It is interesting and I will have to give it more thought. From a personal standpoint, I should be one highly creative individual. I suppose it depends on how you define creativity. Is it just ideas or if the ideas have to always be rendered into some form?
I do consider sexuality and communication linked in that sex is a form of communication between people in addition to its biological function. This idea may be out there for some, but I acquired it and have since developed it after reading Stranger in a Strange Land when I was 10. I have not thought about the idea of pushing that desire into other avenues. Again, I will have to give this some thought.
Thus, we say 'the art of communication'

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#69163 Dec 31, 2012
greymouser wrote:
Still nothing, perhaps you linked the incorrect post?

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#69164 Dec 31, 2012
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
What? The art you see in the universe is a product of an entity's expression of creativity, how do you know it's not sexual?
I fail to see your point.

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#69165 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Still nothing, perhaps you linked the incorrect post?
Your post there:

"1. Does it cause human suffering.

2. It does cause human suffering.

3. We don't want human suffering therefore it is unethical.

There, scientific enough for you?"

By your own post, you refer to ethics with your point number 3.

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#69166 Dec 31, 2012
greymouser wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post there:
"1. Does it cause human suffering.
2. It does cause human suffering.
3. We don't want human suffering therefore it is unethical.
There, scientific enough for you?"
By your own post, you refer to ethics with your point number 3.
Yes, it's presenting a reason why something is unethical, still failing to see your point.

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#69167 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I fail to see your point.
That's not surprising. If you were a woman you would understand the sensuality involved in creating art of any kind. It's not all that different than creating a child or an orgasm. The inspiration strikes and must be acted upon while the muse still possesses you, otherwise nothing comes to fruition, IOWs, frustration instead of satisfaction.
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#69168 Dec 31, 2012
Question: evolution started somewhere who or what put that item there to start evolution?

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#69169 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it's presenting a reason why something is unethical, still failing to see your point.
By presenting a reason why something is unethical, does that imply you are invoking some sort of ethics?

What is your boundary for ethical or unethical testing (Step 4 of the scientific method)?

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