Evolution vs. Creation

[Cybele]

unless you can tell a zero from letter o

goodluck with that math!

[The Dude]

thewordofme wrote:

Remember the story a while back where a US rifle manufacturer was putting Christian Scripture on the guns sights??

Trijicon.

Yeah, that one was kinda ironic. Jesus loves you. BOOM!

thewordofme wrote:

I don't believe that spears, knifes, and bows were created by scientists.

Welllll, one could argue that they were made using scientific principles. After all it was experimentation and refinement that eventually led to better bows, spears and knives.

[Cybele]

Hint: U + R = a nus

[thewordofme]

Cybele wrote:

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Ya, Thou shall not commit Adultery, and then we learn that Adam had a first wife. Ballooney!

Yeah, even the Old Testament God had a wife...before the Hebrews decided he shouldn't have one.

Personally I liked Adams first wife Lilith, I would've let her get on top anytime she wanted.

[Cybele]

unless you're dyslexic you won't know what that means

[Charles Idemi]

Drew Smith wrote:

Wrong. From your favorite source, Wikipedia:
"Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."
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That's what "state religion" means. Official in all jurisdictions of the state.
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Yes. Read again what was written: "Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."

Treason?
So, Emperor Constantine who gave the mandate commited treason, how?
Remember, Christianity was made official by him.

[neutral observer]

thewordofme wrote:

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Gotta take the bad with the good. You'll find that the people who have used those weapons are mostly Christian...hell I'll bet the whole military forces in the US is 95% Christian.
Remember the story a while back where a US rifle manufacturer was putting Christian Scripture on the guns sights??
I don't believe the story, but according to the Bible God killed everyone (except 8) on earth in 2350+- BC Its been estimated that the world population at that time was over 20 million.
I don't believe that spears, knifes, and bows were created by scientists.

Then what was the first man to create a flint tool... an engineer? Like learning to tame fire (not just find it but produce it) it was a scientific discovery.

How do you define Christian? People who literally believe in... or anyone raised "in a Christian household"?

As for the flood it happened. Most likely it is the flooding of the Black Sea by the Mediterranean. To the ancients living there that was pretty much the entire world. The story was then passed down through oral tradition for many centuries... probably embellished more by each generation until...

[xxxooxxx]

The Dude wrote:

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On the contrary, I have neither killed nor the desire to kill anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you were claiming to have some holy moral high ground despite the writings of your very religion being quite despicable in some places. Home is where the heart is, right? And it's what YOU claim to believe. Unless of course you don't. For some reason you fundies get all evasive when your positions are put under critical scrutiny.
So tell us again how your so-called "morals" are actually derived ONLY from fear of eternal punishment and/or desire for eternal paradise?

do you believe that the killings in the bible were real?

[Cybele]

thewordofme wrote:

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Yeah, even the Old Testament God had a wife...before the Hebrews decided he shouldn't have one.
Personally I liked Adams first wife Lilith, I would've let her get on top anytime she wanted.

God is a LIE n

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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do you believe that the killings in the bible were real?

No, the question was if you believed your bible.

[Subduction Zone]

Cybele wrote:

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Patterns are everywhere! What are you talking about? or are you just rocking the boat? um, you might want to avoid the flood that will sweep your ass.

Yes, there are patterns everywhere. As I said we are evolved to see patterns. The trick is to see which patterns are meaningful and which ones are meaningless.

I don't think either my or FREE's images are very meaningful at all.

[Cybele]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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do you believe that the killings in the bible were real?

Do you think only Allah is capable of killing?

[Drew Smith]

From your favorite source, Wikipedia:
"Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."

Charles Idemi wrote:

Superstition? Ofcourse, there were pagans but that does not rule out christianity from the empire.

You're missing the point. The point was that the Romans at one point considered Christianity to be nothing more than a new form of superstition.

[The Dude]

neutral observer wrote:

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Then what was the first man to create a flint tool... an engineer?

On the other hand, engineers by todays standards are not scientists, though they do make use of scientific principles. But back during the days when we were just making weapons out of stone and wood we didn't have long-standing definitions of these things. Back then it was just "people who tinkered around with stuff".

neutral observer wrote:

As for the flood it happened. Most likely it is the flooding of the Black Sea by the Mediterranean. To the ancients living there that was pretty much the entire world.

Same with a LOT of large local floods. To many frightened or superstitious people it probably seemed like the end of the world. And for those who died in them it was.

The thing with many of these old flood stories is that they may not all have necessarily been rooted in the exact same flood event.

[Drew Smith]

The last time I checked a logic textbook,~~p = p
Care to explain where there is "no identity property" in what I wrote?

Cybele wrote:

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Again it went above your head
IT's U + R = 0

And this has exactly what to do with anything that was being discussed?

[The Dude]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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do you believe that the killings in the bible were real?

Depends on which ones have historical evidence to support it. In the case of the Amalekites it depends on whether or not they were a purely fictionalized boogey-man invented for Biblical story purposes, or whether they were peoples like the Amorites and Canaanites. In which case religious wars were kind of a thing back then with all religions.

[Cybele]

Drew Smith wrote:

The last time I checked a logic textbook,~~p = p
Care to explain where there is "no identity property" in what I wrote?
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And this has exactly what to do with anything that was being discussed?

Unfortunately you can't see beyond mere representations

[Drew Smith]

Yes. Read again what was written: "Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."

Charles Idemi wrote:

Treason? So, Emperor Constantine who gave the mandate commited treason, how?

Constantine's predecessor, Galerius, had already changed state policy to tolerate Christianity.

You really do need to do some basic historical research before you engage in debate.

[xxxooxxx]

KittenKoder wrote:

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No, the question was if you believed your bible.

ahhh... so you do believe.

I would even say that you had faith in the bible...the killing part anyway, because you except it without question.
Which I would definitely call faith.

Never even stopped to consider did you?
wherein lies your true faith...can you deny?

think about it.

[xxxooxxx]

Cybele wrote:

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Do you think only Allah is capable of killing?

Never really seen Allah kill anyone...have you?