Evolution vs. Creation

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#68857 Dec 29, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Not a guess at all...read something outside of religious text sometime.
really now...was that a wild guess about my reading habits?...lol

“Darwin was right..of course.”

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#68858 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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If you were my teacher I would drop out
Ever been to college?? When I was there centuries ago If you spouted a lame theory like that the hazing would never stop...this was long before Political Correctness took over the world.

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#68859 Dec 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
From your favorite source, Wikipedia:
"Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."
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You're missing the point. The point was that the Romans at one point considered Christianity to be nothing more than a new form of superstition.
Ofcourse. That was why they agreed to crucify Christ.
But when Constantine discovered the truth, there was a re-think.

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#68860 Dec 29, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
all this from getting that warm fuzzy feeling when you look out into the ocean at the beach...lol
Psychoanalytical explanation
Freud argues that the "oceanic feeling", if it exists, is the preserved "primitive ego-feeling" from infancy. The primitive ego-feeling precedes the creation of the ego and exists up until the mother ceases breastfeeding. Prior to this, the infant is regularly breastfed in response to its crying and has no concept that the breast does not belong to it. Therefore, the infant has no concept of a "self" or, rather, considers the breast to be part of itself. Freud argues that those experiencing an oceanic feeling as an adult are actually experiencing a preserved primitive ego-feeling. The ego, in contrast, comes into existence when the breast is taken away, and involves the infant's recognition that it is separate from the mother's breast, and therefore, that other persons exist. Freud argues that it would not necessarily contradict psychoanalytical theory for this primary ego-feeling to coexist along with the ego in some people. The main argument for this is that psychoanalytical theory holds that all thoughts are preserved in a conservation of psychic energy. Therefore, the "oceanic feeling" described as a oneness with the world or a limitlessness is simply a description of the feeling the infant has before it learns there are other persons in the world.
Oceanic feeling
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling
When I'm in the ocean I feel I'm in theta and alpha wave consciousness. lol

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#68861 Dec 29, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
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really now...was that a wild guess about my reading habits?...lol
Don't mind him, he's just ego-surfing

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#68862 Dec 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
From your favorite source, Wikipedia:
"Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."
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You're missing the point. The point was that the Romans at one point considered Christianity to be nothing more than a new form of superstition.
That still does not change the fact of Christianity in the empire.
Policies do differs. A case in point, is the Vatican city.

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#68863 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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If you were my teacher I would drop out
Just think about the concept and then think about things you might have heard about in the news or read in science magazines or eZines.

No one was there to SEE it, but we know without doubt that a humongous meteor fell to the earth just off the Yucatan peninsula 65 million +- years ago and ultimately caused the demise of the Dinosaurs and almost wiped out all other life on earth. Nobody was there, but a meteor fell to the ground in Arizona about 50,000 years ago and made a crater almost a mile across. We weren't there to see it, but we know the earth once had just one super continent we now call Pangaea about 225 million years ago.

And there are literally millions of things that science has found out about our world and universe because we train ourselves to find and interpret data and physical evidence that almost any event leaves behind, or we build instruments to analyze stuff we can't naturally see/hear/taste/smell/etc.

Not meant to be disrespectful, but from the comments I read you don't really understand science and how it works...you are the dream of fundamentalist recruiters.

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#68864 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Don't mind him, he's just ego-surfing
Yeah....like North Shore Hawaii....fantastic!

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#68865 Dec 29, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Some mothers are more connected to their children than others.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

Shared cellular memory could be the reason.
I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)

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#68866 Dec 29, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Just think about the concept and then think about things you might have heard about in the news or read in science magazines or eZines.
No one was there to SEE it, but we know without doubt that a humongous meteor fell to the earth just off the Yucatan peninsula 65 million +- years ago and ultimately caused the demise of the Dinosaurs and almost wiped out all other life on earth. Nobody was there, but a meteor fell to the ground in Arizona about 50,000 years ago and made a crater almost a mile across. We weren't there to see it, but we know the earth once had just one super continent we now call Pangaea about 225 million years ago.
And there are literally millions of things that science has found out about our world and universe because we train ourselves to find and interpret data and physical evidence that almost any event leaves behind, or we build instruments to analyze stuff we can't naturally see/hear/taste/smell/etc.
Not meant to be disrespectful, but from the comments I read you don't really understand science and how it works...you are the dream of fundamentalist recruiters.
Have I questioned anything about those things you mentioned? I haven't because I accept them as facts. It's just that I'm looking for DNA evidence. Maybe I'm asking for too much?

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#68867 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
lol at chimerism

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#68868 Dec 29, 2012
Charles Idemi, why are you so unhappy over the earlier Romans killing Christians but so happy over the later Romans killing people who were NOT Christians?

I try to be fair, myself.
I'm not a Jew, but I still disapprove of what Hitler did to the Jews.
I'm not a Communist, but I still disapprove of what the Malaysians did to the Communists.

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#68869 Dec 29, 2012
Now to make good on my boast about being fair.
I wish to express my disapproval of the Evolutionists on this thread belittling Cybele's experience.
You're attacking something important to Cybele, and you're not going to accomplish anything constructive.

Yes, I've read articles on near-death experiences in the Skeptical Inquirer, and I am familiar with the scientific explanations for such experiences.

I don't know whether Cybele has been to Heaven or not, but that is not what I concerns me.
What concerns me is the Cybele is a person and is therefore important, and therefore whatever is important to her is also important.
Instead of fighting Cybele, let her first empty her cup.
If she is then not willing and able to have her experience downplayed with scientific explanations, there are plenty of other topics to discuss anyway.

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#68870 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
What is shared cellular memory?

Couldn't it be pheromones, hormonal, behavioral as well?

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#68871 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
Your avatar is both creepy and compelling at the same time. I like it.

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#68872 Dec 29, 2012
albtraum wrote:
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If you can't separate fantasy from reality, one would think you've got a bit of a problem....just sayin'
Didn't expect to see you here.

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#68873 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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what's that?
Really don't want to share more, this being a family thread and all. Just say it was a blast and leave it at that.

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#68874 Dec 29, 2012
We are largely discussion evolution versus Judeo-Christian creation. However, I am curious if there is a ballpark number for the different creation stories. I am at least partially aware of some from various major cultures such as Norse gods, Egypt, Roman, Greek, some Hindu stories, etc. I would be curious to if anyone has ever seen a review of these.

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#68875 Dec 29, 2012
I really need to proofread before hitting post.

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#68876 Dec 29, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Now to make good on my boast about being fair.
I wish to express my disapproval of the Evolutionists on this thread belittling Cybele's experience.
You're attacking something important to Cybele, and you're not going to accomplish anything constructive.
Yes, I've read articles on near-death experiences in the Skeptical Inquirer, and I am familiar with the scientific explanations for such experiences.
I don't know whether Cybele has been to Heaven or not, but that is not what I concerns me.
What concerns me is the Cybele is a person and is therefore important, and therefore whatever is important to her is also important.
Instead of fighting Cybele, let her first empty her cup.
If she is then not willing and able to have her experience downplayed with scientific explanations, there are plenty of other topics to discuss anyway.
LOL!

It can happen to anyone ;-)

I do appreciate Science as much as I want to be an avatar in that sci-fi movie, honest! But I won't forget where I came from. I learned about God as a child growing up. But I realized that maybe I should leave my childish beliefs behind and learn about the truth. But I'm here to learn from you all. So thanks Thomas!

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