Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216601 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#68885 Dec 30, 2012
Creation and religion...THE CRUTCHES OF THE WEAK MINDED FOOLS..

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Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#68886 Dec 30, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't that the Cheshire Cat in Time Burton's "Alice"?
I think so but I haven't checked, a friend gave it to me on fb, I like it :D
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68888 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely. I don't know enough about all these scientific facts to go into detail but I still found it interesting from a mother's point of view. I beieve in Creation and Evolution and most of the posts make sense and are a good read.
:)
I have to admit, when I hear that kind of contradiction, I tend to get annoyed. It's like hearing a public figure dodge questions about their allegiances, or hearing a boss avoiding a statement that would make his or herself accountable for their actions.

For now, I'll assume that you can somehow blend Creation with Evolution, but they are fundamentally different in that one presumes random events in a universe of physical constants where we maintain an order through discipline, while the other presumes an order that defies physical constants where we are told not to question and to accept inconsistent acts of imposed discipline.

That dog won't hunt!
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68889 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
I think so but I haven't checked, a friend gave it to me on fb, I like it :D
Tim Burton does a good job but it is built predictably around Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter and Danny Elfman.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#68890 Dec 30, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
Freud was largely out of touch with the hard-scrabble life. He placed an overabundance of meaning on sexuality because he was part of a largely idle aristocratic class with time on their hands and ambitions that they didn't accept for what they were.
He could have simply described the feeling as contentedness that comes with inexperience. It's to his discredit to have assumed that everyone shared his infatuations with the womb and male/female symbolism. Instead, he created his own holy book of myths that try to turn his personal frustrations into something credible.
On most topics, that kind of wandering around in the dark is almost OK. In any medically related field, it's not acceptable to treat anyone as an "authority" capable of rendering aid based on that kind of esoteric voodoo. All his followers ever did was fabricate self-fulfilling prophecies. You'll do just as well with faith-healers and elixir con-artists who just sell booze while calling it medicine.
I'm more of a Jung man myself
Ninthman

“Obama Shames the USA”

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#68891 Dec 30, 2012
The Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland has put Intelligent Design back into the equation.
The Big Bang theory is still valid but the Higgs Boson Particle actualy existed before the Big Bang and was the spark that sent the Big Bang in a predetermined course, so the science reflects.
It is now possible to see before the Big Bang and determine the existence of other dimensions.
Basically the Higgs Boson was the blue print for everything that was to be from the farthest stars location to your hair color. Yes. It even allowed for evolution as we are now finding out.
So you can look at Creationism creating Evolution. Who the creator is, no-one knows, but we do now know that the Higgs Boson Particle was a tool used to set our little slice of reality into preplanned motion. It's incredible.

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#68892 Dec 30, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
The Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland has put Intelligent Design back into the equation.
The Big Bang theory is still valid but the Higgs Boson Particle actualy existed before the Big Bang and was the spark that sent the Big Bang in a predetermined course, so the science reflects.
It is now possible to see before the Big Bang and determine the existence of other dimensions.
Basically the Higgs Boson was the blue print for everything that was to be from the farthest stars location to your hair color. Yes. It even allowed for evolution as we are now finding out.
So you can look at Creationism creating Evolution. Who the creator is, no-one knows, but we do now know that the Higgs Boson Particle was a tool used to set our little slice of reality into preplanned motion. It's incredible.
Intelligent Design?...no brainer

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Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#68893 Dec 30, 2012
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to admit, when I hear that kind of contradiction, I tend to get annoyed. It's like hearing a public figure dodge questions about their allegiances, or hearing a boss avoiding a statement that would make his or herself accountable for their actions.
For now, I'll assume that you can somehow blend Creation with Evolution, but they are fundamentally different in that one presumes random events in a universe of physical constants where we maintain an order through discipline, while the other presumes an order that defies physical constants where we are told not to question and to accept inconsistent acts of imposed discipline.
That dog won't hunt!
Fair enough, I'll elaborate.
IMO God created everything, however, everything evolved. It's still possible that God mades us to evolve, think, reason, discover, create and invent. We still don't know everything about the potential of our own brains. There are probably many things we have not yet discovered and many things we still don't know. To me, neither have been conclusively proven and I liken it to having a child, parents in a sense 'create' a child, raise, teach, love and shape him/her,then the child grows up and goes into the world and in a sense 'evolves' through education, experiences, life lessons, relationship, work etc..So then you have something that started out as a blank canvas and 'evolved' into a beautiful painting. Another good example is a computer, someone created/invented it, then others shaped it and added to it over time until it has 'evolved' to what is available to us today. It's comparable to the 'mutant gene' that Dr Jean Grey and others were born with too, to me, it's possible that God created us with the evolution gene.

Level 6

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#68894 Dec 30, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
The Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland has put Intelligent Design back into the equation.
The Big Bang theory is still valid but the Higgs Boson Particle actualy existed before the Big Bang and was the spark that sent the Big Bang in a predetermined course, so the science reflects.
It is now possible to see before the Big Bang and determine the existence of other dimensions.
Basically the Higgs Boson was the blue print for everything that was to be from the farthest stars location to your hair color. Yes. It even allowed for evolution as we are now finding out.
So you can look at Creationism creating Evolution. Who the creator is, no-one knows, but we do now know that the Higgs Boson Particle was a tool used to set our little slice of reality into preplanned motion. It's incredible.
That is incredible! I agree completely :)

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#68895 Dec 30, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
The Big Bang theory is still valid but the Higgs Boson Particle actualy existed before the Big Bang and was the spark that sent the Big Bang in a predetermined course
And we know this how?

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Since: Apr 11

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#68897 Dec 30, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
The Emperor is not subject to these laws...he makes them.
So,if he makes the law, then the issue of treason and superstitution are out of play.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#68898 Dec 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
So,if he makes the law, then the issue of treason and superstitution are out of play.
The issue of superstition isn't out of play. Just because someone makes something an official religion, that doesn't mean that it isn't still superstition.

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#68899 Dec 30, 2012
Consciousness Drives The Universe

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Since: Apr 11

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#68900 Dec 30, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
Wrong. You are making up your own story.

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Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#68901 Dec 30, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
How?
You are digressing from the truth.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#68902 Dec 30, 2012
You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Wrong. You are making up your own story.
You clearly need to read about the history of Constantine.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68903 Dec 30, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm more of a Jung man myself
Still to abstract for applied psychology. I don't read too much on the subject but I do think the idea of the "collective unconscious" has merit, although it seems more sociological than psychological.

I sometimes reference the idea of archetypes but am skeptical about anything being a "true" archetype. Kind of like the "true Scotsman" fallacy that has been referenced in this forum. The landscape changes whenever you declare absolutes. That simply must be the case because the brain is an adaptive computer constantly processing information in a feedback loop.

I'm more inclined to think of the mechanics of the brain to be built around shapes and synaptic patterns that don't physically represent themselves at the cellular level but do so when you consider trillions of them in a system. Generally, you still have to deal with primordial pain and pleasure responses but "psychology" must be an adaptive science that addresses the unique patterns defined by unique individual genetics and experiences, not by a mythology and gut feelings.

In the end, you've got angry people like me, who feel isolated and are expecting the system to do everything within its power to silence marginalized people rather than learn from them. I think Freud and Jung started something but left in their current state, they're a liability, not an asset, AND their ideas are WAY overdue for real scientific method.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68904 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Fair enough, I'll elaborate.
IMO God created everything, however, everything evolved. It's still possible that God mades us to evolve, think, reason, discover, create and invent. We still don't know everything about the potential of our own brains. There are probably many things we have not yet discovered and many things we still don't know. To me, neither have been conclusively proven and I liken it to having a child, parents in a sense 'create' a child, raise, teach, love and shape him/her,then the child grows up and goes into the world and in a sense 'evolves' through education, experiences, life lessons, relationship, work etc..So then you have something that started out as a blank canvas and 'evolved' into a beautiful painting. Another good example is a computer, someone created/invented it, then others shaped it and added to it over time until it has 'evolved' to what is available to us today. It's comparable to the 'mutant gene' that Dr Jean Grey and others were born with too, to me, it's possible that God created us with the evolution gene.
Ha! Well, the X-Men analogy isn't where I'd start, but I guess it can be applied. I always take Marvel comics with a grain of salt. Stan Lee does leak an obvious Jewish point of view to things. DC isn't really any better, just far more WASPish. I'm an Irish Catholic by upbringing. I think the Catholics consider everyone evil and shameful so superhero comics just ain't going to come from that world!

Generally, you are more or less taking the Deist stance, which is optimistic or politically correct, depending on what one wants to derive from it. Well, I can't prove that God DOESN'T exist and I wouldn't be a good atheist if I were to obsess on doing so!
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68905 Dec 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>How?
You are digressing from the truth.
How? Constantine didn't get baptized until he was about to die. That meant that he was not diminishing his status as a high priest of the Roman gods, yet could claim that the Christian god(among other gods)was his ally. The truth is what it is, batboy!

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#68906 Dec 30, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue of superstition isn't out of play. Just because someone makes something an official religion, that doesn't mean that it isn't still superstition.
Narrow!
How can they adopt a superstitious faith in the entire empire?

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