Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216897 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#68865 Dec 29, 2012
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Some mothers are more connected to their children than others.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...

Shared cellular memory could be the reason.
I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)

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#68866 Dec 29, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Just think about the concept and then think about things you might have heard about in the news or read in science magazines or eZines.
No one was there to SEE it, but we know without doubt that a humongous meteor fell to the earth just off the Yucatan peninsula 65 million +- years ago and ultimately caused the demise of the Dinosaurs and almost wiped out all other life on earth. Nobody was there, but a meteor fell to the ground in Arizona about 50,000 years ago and made a crater almost a mile across. We weren't there to see it, but we know the earth once had just one super continent we now call Pangaea about 225 million years ago.
And there are literally millions of things that science has found out about our world and universe because we train ourselves to find and interpret data and physical evidence that almost any event leaves behind, or we build instruments to analyze stuff we can't naturally see/hear/taste/smell/etc.
Not meant to be disrespectful, but from the comments I read you don't really understand science and how it works...you are the dream of fundamentalist recruiters.
Have I questioned anything about those things you mentioned? I haven't because I accept them as facts. It's just that I'm looking for DNA evidence. Maybe I'm asking for too much?

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#68867 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
lol at chimerism

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#68868 Dec 29, 2012
Charles Idemi, why are you so unhappy over the earlier Romans killing Christians but so happy over the later Romans killing people who were NOT Christians?

I try to be fair, myself.
I'm not a Jew, but I still disapprove of what Hitler did to the Jews.
I'm not a Communist, but I still disapprove of what the Malaysians did to the Communists.

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#68869 Dec 29, 2012
Now to make good on my boast about being fair.
I wish to express my disapproval of the Evolutionists on this thread belittling Cybele's experience.
You're attacking something important to Cybele, and you're not going to accomplish anything constructive.

Yes, I've read articles on near-death experiences in the Skeptical Inquirer, and I am familiar with the scientific explanations for such experiences.

I don't know whether Cybele has been to Heaven or not, but that is not what I concerns me.
What concerns me is the Cybele is a person and is therefore important, and therefore whatever is important to her is also important.
Instead of fighting Cybele, let her first empty her cup.
If she is then not willing and able to have her experience downplayed with scientific explanations, there are plenty of other topics to discuss anyway.

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#68870 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
What is shared cellular memory?

Couldn't it be pheromones, hormonal, behavioral as well?

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#68871 Dec 29, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I agree and that's an interesting theory. Cheers :)
Your avatar is both creepy and compelling at the same time. I like it.

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#68872 Dec 29, 2012
albtraum wrote:
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If you can't separate fantasy from reality, one would think you've got a bit of a problem....just sayin'
Didn't expect to see you here.

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#68873 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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what's that?
Really don't want to share more, this being a family thread and all. Just say it was a blast and leave it at that.

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#68874 Dec 29, 2012
We are largely discussion evolution versus Judeo-Christian creation. However, I am curious if there is a ballpark number for the different creation stories. I am at least partially aware of some from various major cultures such as Norse gods, Egypt, Roman, Greek, some Hindu stories, etc. I would be curious to if anyone has ever seen a review of these.

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#68875 Dec 29, 2012
I really need to proofread before hitting post.

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#68876 Dec 29, 2012
Thomas Robertson wrote:
Now to make good on my boast about being fair.
I wish to express my disapproval of the Evolutionists on this thread belittling Cybele's experience.
You're attacking something important to Cybele, and you're not going to accomplish anything constructive.
Yes, I've read articles on near-death experiences in the Skeptical Inquirer, and I am familiar with the scientific explanations for such experiences.
I don't know whether Cybele has been to Heaven or not, but that is not what I concerns me.
What concerns me is the Cybele is a person and is therefore important, and therefore whatever is important to her is also important.
Instead of fighting Cybele, let her first empty her cup.
If she is then not willing and able to have her experience downplayed with scientific explanations, there are plenty of other topics to discuss anyway.
LOL!

It can happen to anyone ;-)

I do appreciate Science as much as I want to be an avatar in that sci-fi movie, honest! But I won't forget where I came from. I learned about God as a child growing up. But I realized that maybe I should leave my childish beliefs behind and learn about the truth. But I'm here to learn from you all. So thanks Thomas!

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#68877 Dec 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
But when Constantine discovered the truth, there was a re-think.
You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68878 Dec 30, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
all this from getting that warm fuzzy feeling when you look out into the ocean at the beach...lol
Psychoanalytical explanation
Freud argues that the "oceanic feeling", if it exists, is the preserved "primitive ego-feeling" from infancy. The primitive ego-feeling precedes the creation of the ego and exists up until the mother ceases breastfeeding. Prior to this, the infant is regularly breastfed in response to its crying and has no concept that the breast does not belong to it. Therefore, the infant has no concept of a "self" or, rather, considers the breast to be part of itself. Freud argues that those experiencing an oceanic feeling as an adult are actually experiencing a preserved primitive ego-feeling. The ego, in contrast, comes into existence when the breast is taken away, and involves the infant's recognition that it is separate from the mother's breast, and therefore, that other persons exist. Freud argues that it would not necessarily contradict psychoanalytical theory for this primary ego-feeling to coexist along with the ego in some people. The main argument for this is that psychoanalytical theory holds that all thoughts are preserved in a conservation of psychic energy. Therefore, the "oceanic feeling" described as a oneness with the world or a limitlessness is simply a description of the feeling the infant has before it learns there are other persons in the world.
Oceanic feeling
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling
Freud was largely out of touch with the hard-scrabble life. He placed an overabundance of meaning on sexuality because he was part of a largely idle aristocratic class with time on their hands and ambitions that they didn't accept for what they were.

He could have simply described the feeling as contentedness that comes with inexperience. It's to his discredit to have assumed that everyone shared his infatuations with the womb and male/female symbolism. Instead, he created his own holy book of myths that try to turn his personal frustrations into something credible.

On most topics, that kind of wandering around in the dark is almost OK. In any medically related field, it's not acceptable to treat anyone as an "authority" capable of rendering aid based on that kind of esoteric voodoo. All his followers ever did was fabricate self-fulfilling prophecies. You'll do just as well with faith-healers and elixir con-artists who just sell booze while calling it medicine.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68879 Dec 30, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
That was pretty much a foot in both camps until he was on his death bed, wasn't it?

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#68880 Dec 30, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Your avatar is both creepy and compelling at the same time. I like it.
Lol...Thanks, topix inspired it, I change it often.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68881 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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Lol...Thanks, topix inspired it, I change it often.
Isn't that the Cheshire Cat in Time Burton's "Alice"?

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#68882 Dec 30, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>What is shared cellular memory?
Couldn't it be pheromones, hormonal, behavioral as well?
Absolutely. I don't know enough about all these scientific facts to go into detail but I still found it interesting from a mother's point of view. I beieve in Creation and Evolution and most of the posts make sense and are a good read.
:)
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#68883 Dec 30, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Ofcourse. That was why they agreed to crucify Christ.
But when Constantine discovered the truth, there was a re-think.
You mean the truth that he was losing control of the rabble, of course.

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#68884 Dec 30, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You mean, when Constantine decided that it was more politically expedient to be a Christian.
Lol...well said.

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