Evolution vs. Creation

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#68810 Dec 29, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
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interesting...can you tell of the image?(disregard if you would rather not)
the image was a large hand from the sky that touched my car to make it stop from spinning.

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#68811 Dec 29, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Whitehouse-6000 years?
Loosen the lid on your closed box a little-let some light particles in. You might feel better about it all :-)
If, in the future, there existed no physical evidence for the whitehouse , one book with a vested interest in proving it's existence (which also claims the whitehouse could levitate and heal the sick), and a few offhand mentions of it by after the fact historians, I wouldn't believe it existed. It wouldn't be reasonable to. You are making an appeal that doesn't make any sense. Just because we know something to exist now does not mean that it will be reasonable believe it used to exist in the future. Jesus may well have existed, and maybe he was a god, but based on the available evidence, it is totally unreasonable to believe those claims.

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#68812 Dec 29, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> That does not rule out the existence and possibility of a first man and woman.
Good lord you are stupid. I rarely insult people on here, but you are just too much.
Stupid is thinking Apes fell from the sky...or just "poofed into extistance".
So the fact that we know that mitochondrial eve and y chromosome adam lived thousands of years apart does not preclude that, somehow, there is another set of "first people" that also lived? Explain how that would be possible. Did god start the world, allow it to play out for a while, the "reset" mitochondrial eve and y chromosome adam thousands of years apart from each other to trick us?

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#68814 Dec 29, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Please do not research the Dome of the Rock.
The archeological evidence might be too overwhelming for you.
What about it? I have no particular predilection for or against your bible stories, if you think you have compelling proof for them, show it. The bible mentioning a historical site that has survived until present day means nothing, however.

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#68815 Dec 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Who created "God"?
the same thing or 'who' created you...right...

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#68816 Dec 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Who created "God"?
Correction....

The same thing or 'who' that created you...

I'm 'Time and Space'...be careful...

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#68817 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Yes I know that languages are related to one another. I'm bilingual and I can see the evidence of it. But no scientist can explain how it all started and how humans acquired the capability for language. That is one area where we can't use science to explain it.
600 years ago, we couldn't explain how maggots formed on rotting meat.

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#68818 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
"Materialism"
theory of physical: the philosophical theory that physical matter is the only reality and that psychological states such as emotions, reason, thought, and desire will eventually be explained as physical functions.
This is where skeptics limit the scope of their logic
Do you have a better alternative?

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#68819 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I got into a car accident twice and it was almost fatal
But I know how one can survive it. The first one was some kind of mind over matter thing and the second involves human connection
But then again to you personal experience is not enough evidence, right?
*yawn* More anthropomorphizing and nothing else. It's all anecdotal, correct.

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#68820 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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the image was a large hand from the sky that touched my car to make it stop from spinning.
wow... that just reminded me of an experience I had when I was about 16....it didn't recede back into the sky with the sound of thunder did it?

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#68821 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Methodical Naturalism:
"theory of physical: the philosophical theory that physical matter is the only reality and that psychological states such as emotions, reason, thought, and desire will eventually be explained as physical functions"
Is everything within the boundaries of natural laws?
As far as we know. Do you have evidence of any being/phenomenon that exists outside of the natural laws? Do you have evidence of any psychological state that can only be explained by the supernatural?

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#68822 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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The origin of language is a mystery. Glad to hear that it's currently a focus of scientific research. Because there has to be something in our consciousness that made us use language as means for communication and made us distinct from other animals.
I don't take the literal sense of stories such as the tower of babel. But if all languages are related to one another, there must be one common language in the beginning. Just like how evolutionists say there is a common ancestor.
No, there absolutely does not. It's possible, but not necessary. Language could have started after we had already migrated to geographically distinct areas, and therefore different groups developed different languages.

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#68823 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Are you a nihilist?
Do you have to be a nihilist to deny the existence of a soul? That makes no sense. One does not have to believe in unfounded superstition to get meaning out of life.
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#68824 Dec 29, 2012
People who believe the creation myth just need to grow up. The buy-bull has plants growing before there is a sun. How can anybody over 5 years old believe that's true?

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#68825 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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For the exact same reason that lots of drunks see pink elephants and junkies see, and feel, bugs inside their skin. Same reason people think little green men sexually molest them. It's cultural iconography, what you see, or want to see, most often is what you are more likely to see when hallucinating.
A better question is, if there was more to NDEs, why is it that every single religious belief produces vastly different NDEs?
Drunks and junkies are alive when they have those hallucinations. I think its unfair to compare them to a person who is temporarily dead until they are medically revived via CPR or other methods.

'...why is it that every single religious belief produces vastly different NDEs?'

It might be that God lets souls experience the after-life in a way that won't make them doubt their religion when they re-enter their bodies. For example, if a Muslim dies and experiences a Christian Heaven and then returns to his body, he probably wouldn't want to tell his fellow Muslims that Heaven is a Christian Heaven. If he does, he might be beaten up and/or killed.

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#68826 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Are you saying you never experienced it? My experience is a bit more complicated. I'm just wired differently. It must be the type of conditioning I've become accustomed to.
Do you think that if the relevant brain structures were excised, you would continue to feel your "soul?"

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#68827 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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*yawn* More anthropomorphizing and nothing else. It's all anecdotal, correct.
there ya go projecting again...

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#68828 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I got into a car accident twice and it was almost fatal
But I know how one can survive it. The first one was some kind of mind over matter thing and the second involves human connection
But then again to you personal experience is not enough evidence, right?
Not to cast your personal experience in doubt, but it isn't enough to show that a near death experience is anything more than the results of a traumatic impact on the brain. We know that physical and chemical means can be used to alter perception or even radically alter the brain entirely to the point of damaging parts of it. The question I would ask is how do you know the difference between a physically induced response and a spiritual response. How an a person that is or has gone through a near death experience know that it wasn't simply a serious of short circuits induced by trauma to the brain. I would say that, despite what I would consider to be a very worldly source, it does not alter the impact that these experiences have on people. As I understand it they can be life altering, but I would argue that they are just that in part to what a person believes.

Are these near death experiences proof of an afterlife or just a psychological trick of physiological and traumatic origin. They might be a glimpse at the afterlife, but how would one really test that? I don't think you would be allowed to gather up a couple of hundred volunteers that would let you hit them on the head with a hammer. Even if you could, all you would really be testing is how much of an impact the human head can take.

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#68829 Dec 29, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>As far as we know. Do you have evidence of any being/phenomenon that exists outside of the natural laws? Do you have evidence of any psychological state that can only be explained by the supernatural?
From what I understand...I believe the Quantum field might be outside natural laws.

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#68830 Dec 29, 2012
xxxooxxx wrote:
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wow... that just reminded me of an experience I had when I was about 16....it didn't recede back into the sky with the sound of thunder did it?
It was summer.

I could've imagined it thinking I was at my final seconds of my life, probably a mechanism that makes one react and hope that one can avoid something bad to happen. But my car suddenly stopped so whatever that was about, it worked.

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