Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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xxxooxxx wrote:
In fact you seem to be the one who is obsessed with all this killing stuff...I find that quite interesting.
she's a killer sperm whale and thinks Moby Dick is the study of sciences

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Dec 29, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Why must you lie for your god?
I did?...do you have proof?

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Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.(Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live.(Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.(Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness.(Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense.(Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.(Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.(2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.(Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
Watch out curiosity kills the cat. That's why we have dogma. Obey or you be extinkt.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, you are completely projecting there. It's not the killing I am addressing, it's your god delusion.
am I? or are you projecting your concept of a "god delusion" on me.Think about it.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
Nor the victims of Science experiments, that make the Inquisitions look like a Sunday picnic.
Really?

How many individuals have been killed as the result of scientific experiments, as opposed to how many have been killed due to religious motivation?

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Dec 29, 2012
 
xxxooxxx wrote:
"God would never tell one to kill...It's something all "true" Christians KNOW"
So "true Christians" ignore the parts of the Bible where God told people to kill?

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Now you are dodging your own words. Sad, so very sad.
Saying the word doesn't mean I meant to confuse you. You still have to define what "normal" is. Why do you call people insane and delusional if you didn't think you are the normal one? Are you a mad scientist?

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Dec 29, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
Half that list didn't fit, and there are a few more lists. The better question is, what doesn't your god command to be killed? I didn't even get into the freaking sacrifices yet.
www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
It's not true...its a fairy tell remember...you said so yourself...not to be believed...but now you offer the same "fairy tale" as your proof!

so which is it?

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Dec 29, 2012
 
Wrong. From your favorite source, Wikipedia:
"Rejection of the state religion was tantamount to treason. This was the context for Rome's conflict with Christianity, which Romans variously regarded as a form of atheism and novel superstitio."
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Wrong. Was it the official religion in the whole empire, yes or no?
That's what "state religion" means. Official in all jurisdictions of the state.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
If "*no* TRUE Christians would *not*", that's the same as "TRUE Christians *would*".
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I really can't see your logic here...would not kill = would kill?
No X would not = X would

No TRUE Christians would not = TRUE Christians would
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not in this case. Jesus existed. I wonder what they stand to gain for lying.
Same as everyone who invented all other religions and lied to the populace - power.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, you did not answer the question, you avoided it:

I will repeat the question:

If your god commanded you to kill, would you kill?

Only a dishonest person would refuse to answer, only an atheist would be unable to answer. Which are you, dishonest or an atheist? Also, your god has commanded killing in your own bible, so yes, it would command such.
What if you have no idea what caused the creation event known as the big bang and think atheists just another religious group pushing their own myth about how things came into being?

Anyone who claims to know the ultimate truth and seeks to convert the masses to their "one true faith"...

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Drew Smith wrote:
If "*no* TRUE Christians would *not*", that's the same as "TRUE Christians *would*".
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No X would not = X would
No TRUE Christians would not = TRUE Christians would
Great. Here comes logic with no identity property
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Charles Idemi wrote:
I know the difference between truth and lie.
Then you know you are a liar. So all that is relevant is that whether you even believe the BS you spout since you know you're a liar, or if your humongous ego makes you think you get a free pass from God to break the 9th Commandment as often as you like.

You are merely a psychological curiosity of fundamentalist psychology in a sea of millions. Nothing more special than that.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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Why are you referring to words like they must all have scientific meaning?
The meaning of words changes over time. They have no fixed meaning. It is called evolution.

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TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Sir Charles,
With all due respect, could you possibly edit your descriptive statement in regards to the means of passing along information from generation to generation, to "VERBAL tradition" please.
It sounds MUCH nicer, with a keener byte as to what you are actually stating--and far less sodom and gomorrish.
(just a suggestion lol)
You got sex from "oral"?

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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maybe ya missed it...here it is again.
"God would never tell one to kill...It's something all "true" Christians KNOW"
You didn't answer the question, why won't you answer the question?

I didn't ask if your god would ask you to, I asked "if it did ask would you?"

I didn't ask you to break your own god's commands, but you do so flippantly, how can we trust you in anything at all now?

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xxxooxxx wrote:
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It's not true...its a fairy tell remember...you said so yourself...not to be believed...but now you offer the same "fairy tale" as your proof!
so which is it?
Ignore that perv's link, evilbible is a porn site.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/05/jews
Again, why did the
Romans and Greeks adopted the false religion according to you guys?
For the same reasons they adopted false religions before?(shrug)

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neutral observer wrote:
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What if you have no idea what caused the creation event known as the big bang and think atheists just another religious group pushing their own myth about how things came into being?
Anyone who claims to know the ultimate truth and seeks to convert the masses to their "one true faith"...
That was not the question I posted, why do you ask a new question without answering the one I asked as the response to my post asking a question?

It's a simple question:

If your god commanded you to kill, would you obey it?

It's not a difficult question to answer for sane people or atheists, why can't you answer it?

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