Evolution vs. Creation

There are 162151 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#68426 Dec 28, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Good. Do you know that there were some sort of hatred of Jesus and his followers?
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/ 05/jews
The /05/jew in that address was spaced the site is ok.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0/05/jews

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#68427 Dec 28, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
My apologies, I didnít realize that the formatting was stripped and the list showed up with names run together. Below is a corrected list with the names properly separated. Sorry for the mix-up.
Consequences of too many late nights.
Apollonius
Appian
Arrian
Aulus Gellius
Columella
Damis
Dio Chrysostom
Dion Pruseus
Epictetus
Favorinus
Florus Lucius
Hermogones
Josephus
Justus of Tiberius
Juvenal
Lucanus
Lucian
Lysias
Martial
Paterculus
Pausanias
Persius
Petronius
Phaedrus
Philo
Judaeus Phlegon
Pliny the Elder
Pliny the Younger
Plutarch
Pompon Mela
Ptolemy
Quintilian
Quintius Curtius
Seneca
Silius Italicus
Statius
Suetonius
Tacitus
Theon of Smyran
Valerius Flaccus
Valerius Maximus
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/ 2012/04/05/jews
Again, why did the
Romans and Greeks adopted the false religion according to you guys?

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#68428 Dec 28, 2012

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#68429 Dec 28, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ins...
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-therap...
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/insani...
No, it's you who doesn't know the definition of insanity. You are delusional, it's a form of insanity that deals with believing something to be reality without solid evidence to justify that belief.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/del...
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delusi...
4. Psychiatry. a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.
http://religion.cnn.com/2012/0 4/05/jews

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#68430 Dec 28, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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Why? o-)
That is a dis-honest response, you can not.

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#68431 Dec 28, 2012
Makesure100 wrote:
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I agree with you. Science fails to answer the important thoughts. Creation does..........but one must have the faith to move forward. The freaks on this forum are disgruntled JWs......Actually they are ugly to even look at. I am highly intelligent, I can answer all of your queries. I am IT.
Just cause you mommy and daddy had to shave your butt and make you walk backwards doesn't mean you can call other people ugly Unsure0.

Can you feel it, see it, hear it today?
If you can't, then it doesn't matter anyway
You will never understand it cuz it happens too fast
And it feels so good, it's like walking on glass
It's so cool, it's so hip, it's alright
It's so groovy, it's outta sight
You can touch it, smell it, taste it so sweet
But it makes no difference cuz it knocks you off your feet
You want it all but you can't have it
It's cryin', bleedin', lying on the floor
So you lay down on it and you do it some more
You've got to share it, so you dare it
Then you bare it and you tear it
You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it
It's alive, afraid, a lie, a sin
It's magic, it's tragic, it's a loss, it's a win
It's dark, it's moist, it's a bitter pain
It's sad it happened and it's a shame
You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it
What is IT?
It's IT
What is IT?

Faith No More
Epic

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#68432 Dec 28, 2012
Makesure100 wrote:
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I agree with you. I fail to understand the important questions and have no thoughts. I like cake. The people on this forum are disgruntled Jehovahs Witnesses......Actually I am so ugly that my parents had to tie a steak around my neck to even get the dog to play with me. I am of highly questionable intelligence. I have thought about other postes taking showers. I am sh IT.
Do your handlers know where you are hiding?

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#68433 Dec 28, 2012
I just picked up a used copy of a book entitled, The Flood in the light of the Bible, geology and archaeology by Alfred Martin Rehwinkel. It appears to be an attempt to show evidence of the Noachian flood. It is dated as it was written in 1951, but it should be interesting to see how the arguments are based and what evidence is used.

Anyone familiar with this book?

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#68434 Dec 28, 2012
Makesure100 wrote:
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I agree with you. Science fails to answer the important thoughts. Creation does..........but one must have the faith to move forward. The freaks on this forum are disgruntled JWs......Actually they are ugly to even look at. I am highly intelligent, I can answer all of your queries. I am IT.
Yeah you are IT alright...and full of it...dipsh!t

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#68435 Dec 28, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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What you are describing sounds more like meditation with a focus on biofeedback. That's neither here nor there. Personally, I've speculated that some southeast Asians who have inherited Denisovan genes may have a developed biofeedback system that is a bit incongruous with most of humanity. Meditation on such things may be of physical value, as they probably need to separate their standard metabolic functions from those that can be exploited ever so slightly on a voluntary level. It might even be necessary to help purge metabolic overreactions to the environment.
Still, nobody is going to levitate, have out-of-body experiences, or read minds. The only reason one might want to think about such things is to PURGE those thoughts that they may have subconsciously have picked up from others! You can't live in a dream.
Interesting. What amazes me more is how the ancient people acquired knowledge of what symbolic meanings animals have. For example the deer - power animal symbolizes gentleness, unconditional love, and kindness. The Celtics and Native Americans prayed to the deer to give them good hunt. Perhaps because of this practice ingrained in early human hunters and gatherers, we developed an instinctive ability from our own associations with these game animals. Animals behave purely on instincts. And many animals possess traits that humans wish to have such as better hearing, night vision, agility, etc. Whatever made humans distinct from animals that possessed the ability to decipher symbolic meanings in animals, probably led to intelligence and heightened sensory perception. But that's just how I see it. We are all connected.

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#68436 Dec 28, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Again you are advocating the Scientism doctrine.
Here's a question for ya:
"How far do you think science can and should offer answers to the questions that are still considered the domain of philosophy?"
For example, can facts settle the issues of human existence such as what is right or wrong? Do you need to be scientific to be an ethical human being? Do you have to be scientific when it comes to making informed decisions in life and think of solutions to the problems you are facing?
And yet, you keep pointing out logical fallacies here that you learned from philosophy, you are a hypocrite. Just face reality! Who are you to determine what is objective reality for all of us?
What "doctrine?"

Also, yes, ethics are subjective, to gain an objective perspective on what's good and bad one needs the scientific method. Without objectivity you have people sacrificing other people to make believe gods or claiming that "spirits" told them to kill or forcibly submit an entire culture.

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#68437 Dec 28, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I hope they don't put people like you in the medical field to help find a cure for mental illness. You are somewhat abusive.
You are exhibiting signs of what looks like a type of personality disorder. Have you heard of hysterical or narcissistic personalities? You are nuts. You need a major mental overhaul and tell yourself that in the mirror. Perhaps you need someone like me to tell you that you can be beautiful if you wanted to?
I present evidence, you present more baseless assertions. Where is your evidence? Or is it simply easier for you to make claims without evidence?

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#68438 Dec 28, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Interesting. What amazes me more is how the ancient people acquired knowledge of what symbolic meanings animals have. For example the deer - power animal symbolizes gentleness, unconditional love, and kindness. The Celtics and Native Americans prayed to the deer to give them good hunt. Perhaps because of this practice ingrained in early human hunters and gatherers, we developed an instinctive ability from our own associations with these game animals. Animals behave purely on instincts. And many animals possess traits that humans wish to have such as better hearing, night vision, agility, etc. Whatever made humans distinct from animals that possessed the ability to decipher symbolic meanings in animals, probably led to intelligence and heightened sensory perception. But that's just how I see it. We are all connected.
You are still thinking backward, they didn't "know" something more than we did, they made up the stuff, we just repeat it.

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#68439 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Interesting. What amazes me more is how the ancient people acquired knowledge of what symbolic meanings animals have. For example the deer - power animal symbolizes gentleness, unconditional love, and kindness. The Celtics and Native Americans prayed to the deer to give them good hunt. Perhaps because of this practice ingrained in early human hunters and gatherers, we developed an instinctive ability from our own associations with these game animals. Animals behave purely on instincts. And many animals possess traits that humans wish to have such as better hearing, night vision, agility, etc. Whatever made humans distinct from animals that possessed the ability to decipher symbolic meanings in animals, probably led to intelligence and heightened sensory perception. But that's just how I see it. We are all connected.
I think you are putting the cart before the horse. They associated the animals they knew to the qualities they held in respect. They didn't notice the qualities in the animals and begin to respect them for it. I don't have a reference.

Actually, some animals do have the ability to learn and don't just operate on blind instinct.

Again, the animals didn't possess some symbolic meaning, the symbolic meaning was applied to them by man. I don't doubt that we are connected. But that connection is more biological than spiritual in my opinion.

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#68440 Dec 29, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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Yeah you are IT alright...and full of it...dipsh!t
Word, I do believe you have nailed him right on his beany little head.

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#68441 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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What "doctrine?"
Also, yes, ethics are subjective, to gain an objective perspective on what's good and bad one needs the scientific method. Without objectivity you have people sacrificing other people to make believe gods or claiming that "spirits" told them to kill or forcibly submit an entire culture.
Using the scientific method doesn't accurately help us assess what is objectively good or bad. What is good for one person can be bad for others. Unfortunately we can't avoid cultural bias. For example, some religions do not allow them to have blood transfusions even if it benefits them. They're willing to sacrifice their health to benefit their moral principles. And who's to say which is right or wrong, better or worse?

Objectivity has its own merits but impossible to apply without a universal system to allow it. And that what limits reality because each of us see reality differently. We are a diverse population. We are not clones of each other.

Even in the scientific community, for instance, there are competing theories for a given subject no matter each theory has attempted to use the scientific method.

So goodluck with that.

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#68442 Dec 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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What "doctrine?"
Also, yes, ethics are subjective, to gain an objective perspective on what's good and bad one needs the scientific method. Without objectivity you have people sacrificing other people to make believe gods or claiming that "spirits" told them to kill or forcibly submit an entire culture.
Careful here.

The scientific method has no explicit provisions for ethics. It's a tool to discover how the world actually works instead of relying on "prophet" revelations.

However, there is a component built in discovered by religions - the Golden Rule.

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#68443 Dec 29, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I think you are putting the cart before the horse. They associated the animals they knew to the qualities they held in respect. They didn't notice the qualities in the animals and begin to respect them for it. I don't have a reference.
Actually, some animals do have the ability to learn and don't just operate on blind instinct.
Again, the animals didn't possess some symbolic meaning, the symbolic meaning was applied to them by man. I don't doubt that we are connected. But that connection is more biological than spiritual in my opinion.
No, I didn't say each animal had a symbolic meaning. Of course humans applied them to these animals. That's when we started to associate these meanings with animals especially in a time with limited knowledge. Which led me the conclusion that this made us develop the skills, became more intelligent, and more receptive to the environment. Everything in nature has a symbiotic relationship with one another. Eventually we co-evolved.

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#68444 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Using the scientific method doesn't accurately help us assess what is objectively good or bad. What is good for one person can be bad for others. Unfortunately we can't avoid cultural bias. For example, some religions do not allow them to have blood transfusions even if it benefits them. They're willing to sacrifice their health to benefit their moral principles. And who's to say which is right or wrong, better or worse?
Objectivity has its own merits but impossible to apply without a universal system to allow it. And that what limits reality because each of us see reality differently. We are a diverse population. We are not clones of each other.
Even in the scientific community, for instance, there are competing theories for a given subject no matter each theory has attempted to use the scientific method.
So goodluck with that.
Excuses, and a clear display of you lacking the comprehension of what the scientific method is. You are also making excuses for people to do bad things to others, simply because they "feel" it's "right." So according to your own logic, we shouldn't be angry with the Muslims who destroyed the twin towers, or every single psychopath in known history, just because it was their religious belief that they were right. Lame.

When you learn what objective means, then you may actually grow a conscious, but your assertion in the above post is vile, despicable, and just horrible.

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#68445 Dec 29, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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No, I didn't say each animal had a symbolic meaning. Of course humans applied them to these animals. That's when we started to associate these meanings with animals especially in a time with limited knowledge. Which led me the conclusion that this made us develop the skills, became more intelligent, and more receptive to the environment. Everything in nature has a symbiotic relationship with one another. Eventually we co-evolved.
That we have co-evolved with other species, I do not doubt. However, I think we had already developed the necessary intelligence to make some of these symbolic associations. Of course we are treading in the gold fields of human development. We may be hitting pay dirt or way off the mark. Another reference I will have to find, but it was on the research into the development of intelligence by man. As I recall, one line of thought was that we were more often carrion feeders or theives and the skills needed for those two roles lead to greater and greater intelligence. Not as romantic as associations with our local deer, but not without plausiblity.

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