Evolution vs. Creation

[ChristineM]

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>"c" can be anything?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaaah...ye ah, right.

Work it out, go to school, do some math and stop being deliberately ignorant all your life.

Honey I have been shown this by one of the worlds top rated particle physicists. Now whom should I believe? A bunch of godbots with little education and an agenda or a true seeker of wisdom who teaches in Universities around the world and helped design the LHC?

[Charles Idemi]

Cybele wrote:

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So what's your point?

My point is that, despite the fact that English had roots from Latin, Greek, Norman French, etc, the language is still not the same as the above influential languages.
English is still English just like Latin and every other world languages.

[tony1003]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> That statement is met for you. You are stupid.
English language is native to England. They started it, though with some assistance to some European, Asian and African languages. But the language as an entity, is unique to England. This is what some of you can not understand.

God help us - Asia and Africa had nothing to do with the language spoken in England - try the Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normas. No one
"started it" - it developed largely from German. At least if you are going to parrot others, try to comprehend what they write to you.

As for stupidity - mirror, meet Charles.

[anonymous]

I fish wrote:

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I find great humility in a group of grown men who say I'm afraid of being wrong so I'll just repeat what the Bible says as accurately as possible. Watch what repeating the Bible does for people. You think Christians inhibit learning. How many languages has the bible been translated into. what has motivated many individuals who earlier could care less about literacy to learn to read. It is the Word of God. It's not the missionary....It's the message.

So what is the message? I think a majority of the people know what that message is. It's wrong. But one million Elvis fans can't be wrong! Humility means a little more than paying for your sins with repetitive rituals and promises to serve your parents. You have to learn from those failures, not retreat into a fantasy where loyalty will be rewarded. You have to cope with the complexities of the real world.

To heck with gee-whiz immortality. It doesn't exist. It's not about to! What else is there? Arrogant dogma and snake oil that is centered around martyrdom. Are you sure you've abandoned that fantasy of immortality? THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS If you don't fit in, conflict is your destiny. How you chose to face that conflict defines how you really address "humility".

[Charles Idemi]

tony1003 wrote:

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God help us - Asia and Africa had nothing to do with the language spoken in England - try the Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normas. No one
"started it" - it developed largely from German. At least if you are going to parrot others, try to comprehend what they write to you.
As for stupidity - mirror, meet Charles.

God will always help us.
Due to colonialism, the English and other Brits, had contacts with Africans and Asians precisely India and Pakistan.
This led to many foreign words to be added to the English language.

[anonymous]

DanFromSmithville wrote:

<quoted text>No I don't suppose I will. Since you admitted to jumping to conclusions, my point seems to be made. No sense gilding the lilly. Besides you sometimes say something that makes sense despite the tangents down blind alleys. In fact, I may have agreed with you in the past on some point or other.
I did enjoy the irony of your trying to establish yourself as the alpha while casting disdain on alphas in the same instance. I love irony. Isn't that ironic?
If you really knew me, you would be shocked at how off the mark your attempts to characterize me or mischaracterize me were. But since you seem to have some idea about the intuitive leap I need to make, enlighten me. I am never closed to hearing new ideas.

Or I admit that you engage in posing as something that you're not! Thus my original observations are entirely intact. I suppose you can admit that you're just being an artful dodger, but I still find it contemptible to condemn people as "evil" under such pretense.

Why do you want people to condemn the mentally unstable as "evil"? Or is that another artful dodger retreat into some hidden moral lesson that you're going to reveal once we are worthy?

Face it. You stepped over the line. It really bothers you to have someone say that. I say that you're playing your own hidden political game. Statistically, that probably pegs you as being very close to the fundamentalists you're condemning. You claim that you're not a good ol' boy family man yet you've yet to explain who "you and the boys" really are.

You're running away from your original witch hunt. I don't really care who you really are. Stop picking on the mentally handicapped.

[tony1003]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> God will always help us.
Due to colonialism, the English and other Brits, had contacts with Africans and Asians precisely India and Pakistan.
This led to many foreign words to be added to the English language.

You are never wrong in your own eyes. By "other Brits", I assume you refer to the Scots, Welsh and Irish, whose language is celtic in origin, not English. Colonialism in Asia/India began in the 17th century, long after the language had evolved - Africa even later in the 19th century. Odd words being added to a language does not constitute being part of the roots of that language. If you must post drivel, expect to be called out on it.

[anonymous]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> God will always help us.
Due to colonialism, the English and other Brits, had contacts with Africans and Asians precisely India and Pakistan.
This led to many foreign words to be added to the English language.

Self-propelled lunatic!

[Chimney1]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> My point is that, despite the fact that English had roots from Latin, Greek, Norman French, etc, the language is still not the same as the above influential languages.
English is still English just like Latin and every other world languages.

dumb (adj.)
O.E. dumb "silent, unable to speak," from PIE *dheubh- "confusion, stupefaction, dizziness," from root *dheu-(1) "dust, mist, vapor, smoke," and related notions of "defective perception or wits."

The Old English, Old Saxon (dumb), Gothic (dumbs), and Old Norse (dumbr) forms of the word meant only "mute, speechless;" in O.H.G.(thumb) it meant both this and "stupid," and in Modern German this latter became the only sense. Meaning "foolish, ignorant" was occasionally in Middle English, but modern use (1823) comes from influence of Ger. dumm. Related: dumber; dumbest. Applied to silent contrivances, hence dumbwaiter. As a verb, in late Old English, "to become mute;" c.1600, "to make mute." To dumb (something) down is from 1933.

[Chimney1]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> No one really owns any language(s).
But English as a language was first spoken in England.

Thats funny.

A few months back you were adamently insisting that the English owned English more than any other native English speaker. So I guess you have learned something.

clever (adj.)

late 16c., "handy, dexterous," from East Anglian dialectal cliver "expert at seizing," perhaps from East Frisian klufer or Norwegian dialectic klover "ready, skillful," and perhaps influenced by Old English clifer "claw, hand" (early usages seem to refer to dexterity); extension to intellect is first recorded 1704.

[Charles Idemi]

tony1003 wrote:

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God help us - Asia and Africa had nothing to do with the language spoken in England - try the Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normas. No one
"started it" - it developed largely from German. At least if you are going to parrot others, try to comprehend what they write to you.
As for stupidity - mirror, meet Charles.

Again, you are the stupid.
English language developed largely from the Angles, Saxons and the Jutes, who later became the English people.
Other influences came from the colonisers of England.
German is only closely related to English, because they all evolved from the same source.

[Chimney1]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> The Jutes, Angles, and the Saxons started it all, but these Germanic tribes, are really not the modern Germans or Danish today, but they all evolved from the same source, like the English.

Now perhaps you can explain to your creationist buddies that in the same way, the amphibians of today are not the SAME ones that reptiles evolved from, and the apes of today are not the SAME ones that humans evolved from. They share a common root, and all species, and languages, keep evolving.

[tony1003]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Again, you are the stupid.
English language developed largely from the Angles, Saxons and the Jutes, who later became the English people.
Other influences came from the colonisers of England.
German is only closely related to English, because they all evolved from the same source.

Idiot - England is an Anglo-Saxon country - guess you have no idea what that might mean? I'm done with you - there are some in this world that are uneducatable as they refuse to learn and I have better things to do than waste my time on one of them.

[anonymous]

Chimney1 wrote:

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Now perhaps you can explain to your creationist buddies that in the same way, the amphibians of today are not the SAME ones that reptiles evolved from, and the apes of today are not the SAME ones that humans evolved from. They share a common root, and all species, and languages, keep evolving.

Burn!

[anonymous]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> God will always help us.
Due to colonialism, the English and other Brits, had contacts with Africans and Asians precisely India and Pakistan.
This led to many foreign words to be added to the English language.

Charles, just face it. You know nothing about the English people or the English language. You just fancy yourself as being part of a larger plan that you somehow think England is at the center of.

England has been a major player on the world stage for the last few hundred years. The colonies that they started still give momentum to that old order, but all things come to an end. Some day our legacy will be foppish library etiquette like ancient Latin or Greek.

It's time to join the real world.

[The Dude]

I fish wrote:

God has not murdered. Do you understand justice? Do you understand punishment for evil/crime?

Yes. And I understand the judgement your god used on others on numerous occasions went WAY above and beyond what any modern sane judge would call "justice". That's why lots of innocent babies died because of it.

And now here you are attempting to justify evil because evil sanctioned by God is okay. Just like I already pointed out.

I fish wrote:

If you do not sense that there is recompense for evil...or that evil deserves punishment...you must love evil.

Actually YOU love evil. You love your god. Your god is evil. Period.

I fish wrote:

You must not be willing to choose God's form of perfect righteousness.

I'm not willing to choose YOUR god because it is not righteous. In fact the god of the OT was a pretty nasty petty evil b*st*rd.

I fish wrote:

You must be willing to blaspheme

Yes, just as you are willing to blaspheme against EVERY OTHER RELIGION ON THE PLANET WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU.

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

I fish wrote:

for the sake of temporary power until you find yourself

... dead. I have that power anyway either way.

Although it's interesting how you're arguing that I should submit to your particular god and give up that power.

So much for "freedom".

I fish wrote:

at the mercy of a hierarchy in hell that share your belief that holiness is overrated

Your idea of "holiness" IS over-rated. Killing babies is not holy. You're telling me it is.

Also interesting is the fact that you are telling me I'm hellbound for simply disagreeing with your baseless opinions which you are incapable of backing up.

Again, that is evil. You are an evil person. And you are trying to tell us evil is "justice" as long as it's sanctioned by your god.

I fish wrote:

and God's goodness is not present.

God's EXISTENCE has not even been demonstrated, much less anything else.

[The Dude]

I fish wrote:

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There's a difference between learning what you haven't known before and saying you know something that no one has ever known before...including God.
There is no new knowledge. God knows everything and has since before time. You should capitalize on what you know. I believe you do. I wish to know God more than the patent inventor. good luck with that.

You ALMOST hit it right on the button there, then failed epically at the last minute.

The fact is that IF a God exists, you don't know anything more about it than anyone else does. Period.

Which is why I'm not worried about blaspheming your particular (ideas of) God in the SLIGHTEST.

Your baseless religious opinions are simply not that important.

[MikeF]

I fish wrote:

God knows everything and has since before time.

One of my all time favorites. If this is true, then your god knew there would be angels that would rebel, that Adam & Eve would disobey, he would have to flood the world and kill almost everything, etc, etc, etc. Which means the whole thing would have had to have been preordained by your god.

IOW, a charade.

[The Dude]

I fish wrote:

I find great humility in a group of grown men who say I'm afraid of being wrong so I'll just repeat what the Bible says as accurately as possible. Watch what repeating the Bible does for people.

Well in many cases (though not necessarily all) it can make them either stupid or dishonest.

That's why there's so many Christians who call themselves "literalists" yet resort to allegory when they come across something theologically inconvenient.

I fish wrote:

You think Christians inhibit learning. How many languages has the bible been translated into.

For the EXPRESS PURPOSE of turning other people into mindless zombies who do not question religious authority.

I fish wrote:

what has motivated many individuals who earlier could care less about literacy to learn to read. It is the Word of God. It's not the missionary....It's the message.

It's not the Word of God. It's the words of MEN. It even says it's the words of men. God never put pen to paper. It's all just the works of people pretending to know more about God than everyone else does, even though that isn't possible.

[anonymous]

Cybele wrote:

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I wouldn't say genetics isn't perfect because we are currently making progress.
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Perhaps the next Cambrian era will be the future of mutagenesis, perhaps modifying DNA artificially? Such as delay aging, increase intelligence, have stronger immune system, etc.
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We've been playing Gods since the dawn of man!
I wouldn't say genetics isn't perfect because we are currently making progress.

Unfortunately, human tampering with genetics has huge ethical problems.

Star Trek DS9 had a very likely scenario. In that show, there was a genetically designed race who were pure soldiers, fast growing, loyal to their masters and dependent on drugs to survive. Another scenario might entail an aristocracy who whittles their existence down to frivolous nymphs and satyrs, playing with flutes and laurel wreaths!

It's best to let nature decide what is best for nature. In order to do what is best for the species, it would probably be best to leave the earth as a natural preserve. Do the experimenting elsewhere!