Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Jan 6, 2011, Best of New Orleans story titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Why does my ignorance”

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#65159 Dec 14, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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Sorry peanut but random mutations? That means the outcome is unpredictable making impossible to project the outcome. How would it come out with male and female of the same species?
Natural selection works b/c of 3 things:

1. traits are inheritable (we call these genes).
2. variation exists in populations (it arises from mutation; mutation is not random, but unpredictable)
3. scarce resources that causes competition among individuals for those resources

Natural selection is differential reproduction and survival. Those who survive to adulthood and are able to reproduce, because of their genetic traits, will tend, on average, to have their genes in the gene pool dominate over others' genes.

Evolution by natural selection is the outcome of math.

If you don't understand this, in what way don't you understand? I will do my best to clarify for you.

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#65161 Dec 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Evolution by natural selection is the outcome of math.
And how does evolution explain the patterns in nature such as fibonacci series and golden ratio?

http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R....

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#65162 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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And how does evolution explain the patterns in nature such as fibonacci series and golden ratio?
http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R....
Math explains evolution. Not the other way around.

It's like you're asking cows to explain the cart.

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#65163 Dec 14, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Math explains evolution. Not the other way around.
In that case, nothing exists by random chance. Nothing is random, not even the stock market.

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#65164 Dec 14, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
http://theofficialillphil.com/ blog/dinosaurs_and_humans/
A rapper? Seriously? You're quoting a rapper as a scientific authority?

Come on, Knightmare. This is beneath even you.

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#65165 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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You keep saying that over and over but there aren't sufficient evidence to support TOE from the sources being posted here
Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#Refere...

Have fun.

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#65166 Dec 14, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You are wasting your time. Despite that, the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, were/ are no German or Danish, they became English. Do your research on international laws or immigration laws.
English is a language that was first spoken in England. It is native to England, no one including you, can deny that.
Oh for Pete's sake. Are you still carrying on about who owns English?

{head/desk}

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#65167 Dec 14, 2012
MikeF wrote:
I actually have read books on evolution. It had more info than wikipedia. LOL.

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#65168 Dec 14, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Oh for Pete's sake. Are you still carrying on about who owns English?
{head/desk}
Who owns English? Were they esoteric as Pythagoras?

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#65169 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I actually have read books on evolution.
You don't say.
Cybele wrote:
It had more info than wikipedia. LOL.
That was a list of reference material NOT hosted on Wiki. Perhaps you should look first before sticking your foot in your mouth.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

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#65170 Dec 14, 2012
Interesting:

"( Phys.org )—Despite evidence that phenotypic change does not always occur uniformly across all species members and lineages, single size or shape traits are often used to represent species-level change in its entirety.

Recently, however, scientists in the Department of Geology at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago and at the Museum für Naturkunde in Berlin asked a deceptively simple question – Are (or when are) single traits adequate representations of species-level change?– and answered it by asking another: How often do single traits show conflicting patterns in the same sequence? To answer the second, they examined trait variation frequency in fossils, finding that within most lineages, evolutionary mode (the pattern of evolution, as opposed to its rate) does indeed vary across traits – and the probability of these patterns conflicting within a given lineage patterns increases in proportion to the number of traits analyzed.

Moreover, the evolution of single traits may vary despite a particular mode being dominant. The researchers suggest that their findings provide evidence that widespread mosaic evolution – the tendency for different parts within species to evolve in different ways or at different rates – has occurred throughout our planet's history."

<<more at:>>

http://phys.org/news/2012-12-trait-variance-e...

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#65171 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Who owns English? Were they esoteric as Pythagoras?
You'll have to ask Charles. He seems to be the self-appointed resident expert on who owns which language.

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#65172 Dec 14, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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That was a list of reference material NOT hosted on Wiki. Perhaps you should look first before sticking your foot in your mouth.
I doubt you've read all those references. Why don't you educate me on what you know instead?

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#65173 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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I doubt you've read all those references.
No, I have not read all of *those* reference but I have read some of them and many others. What does that have to do with anything? You complained about references so I gave you some. Now you're complaining about that.
Cybele wrote:
Why don't you educate me on what you know instead?
I'm not inclined to write a long-winded explanation nor do I feel the need to establish any credibility with you. If you have specific questions, I or one of the others will likely address them as we can.

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#65174 Dec 14, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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You'll have to ask Charles. He seems to be the self-appointed resident expert on who owns which language.
But you seem to be interested in the subject and so am I. LOL

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#65175 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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But you seem to be interested in the subject and so am I. LOL
Interested? Not so much. It's just that Charles have been ranting on for a year or two about how the English *own* the English language. I guess he thinks the rest of us have to pay licensing fees.

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#65176 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Who owns English? Were they esoteric as Pythagoras?
Actually the U.S. does. That is a little known fact, it was part of the package deal when Robert P. McCulloch bought the London Bridge.

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#65177 Dec 14, 2012
Darwin Buster One: Darwinians have been dead wrong whenever they have claimed that the "genetic matter of ape and humans is 98% identical." The ape and human chromosomes are remarkably divergent and too different for "ape to human evolution" theory to adequately explain. For example, the human Y chromosome has twice as many genes as the chimpanzee Y chromosome and the chromosome structures are not at all similar.

http://darwinconspiracy.com/

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#65178 Dec 14, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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No, I have not read all of *those* reference but I have read some of them and many others. What does that have to do with anything? You complained about references so I gave you some. Now you're complaining about that.
Well at least post a reference you've read.
MikeF wrote:
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I'm not inclined to write a long-winded explanation nor do I feel the need to establish any credibility with you. If you have specific questions, I or one of the others will likely address them as we can.
Nah. You like music?

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#65179 Dec 14, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Well at least post a reference you've read.
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"On the Origin of Species" - Darwin, Charles (1859)
(Not an easy read by the way)
Cybele wrote:
Nah.
Your choice.
Cybele wrote:
You like music?
Of course.

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