Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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TheIndependentMa jority

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Dec 13, 2012
 
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Well, I still don't trust those services who analyze your genes from a cheek swap. I'd love to have an analysis done but at this stage of the game, I think they only pick a low-hanging-fruit markers and then mail you a long history of some well known tribes. I suspect that my family tree isn't well documented and considerably more diverse than I was told.
Also, I suspect that they keep those records for more evil purposes. The gubbermint would want to know your preferred brand of toothpaste if you let them.
I don't trust the swabbies either-give 'em a raised eyebrow follicle at times I have lol.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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A couple caveats to that. One is that there is no heaven. two is that there is no God. Therefore there was no 'God's will' being done on earth or in heaven.
But, during the 'Dark Ages' the Universal Church was interpreting the scripture it had...to mean whatever they wanted it to mean. They killed people indiscriminately and in general terrorized the whole population of Europe and parts of Asia. Millions were killed in the name of the Christian God.
Religion, no matter what the brand, is terribly corrosive to human life.
For some maybe--ever watched anyone obsess in worshiping, for example-"a gubbermint publically elected servant"? Or for another example, the obsessiveness that many of the more "famed" people have to endure at times, from those wretchedly nosey, publicity seeking hound paparrazi types?

But for MANY others, it is quite a simple task, to seperate fantasy from reality, unobsessively.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I'm not.
Me either.
That's what e-readers w/original authorings are for lol.
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No shite Sherlock! This is because to be passed on to the offspring it must infect a germ-line cell. It must also *not* kill the organism or damage its reproductive capability before it is able to procreate. This is rare, especially due to the random nature of retroviral insertion. While they are more likely to attack some areas more than others (sometimes called comfort zones) these areas are still spread out across half the genome (approximately 1.5 billion bases). And germ line infection is certainly no guarantee. THAT is why.
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Then how do you explain orthology? How do you explain why ERV's look like ERV's? How do you explain that supposedly purely functional components which only LOOK like ERV's can be resurrected FROM these markers artificially with the result acting EXACTLY like a retrovirus does?
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Really now? Because I've addressed your queries and for weeks and STILL not had my questions answered. But the most important question you have been unable to answer is how can you claim to have a scientific position given your EXTREMELY hypocritical and dishonest approach to the subject?
Remember, God is watching...
Keep telling those lies, Skippy.
How do you explain that supposedly purely functional components which only LOOK like ERV's can be resurrected FROM these markers artificially with the result acting EXACTLY like a retrovirus does?

That's the part that I found to perhaps be a little "contrary"

too!!(I think, if the processing is accurate enough anyway)
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Did you have anything to actually say, or are you pleased with typing random words on the keyboard forming incoherent sentences for all your posts?
Try a prier dictionary instead, you might understand, few of the little words then.
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<quoted text>How do you know you have a soul? Have you seen it? Have you felt it? Have you heard it? Have you touched it? What does it look like? What color is it? Is it long or short? Is it round, oblong, square, triangular?
If you believe that God created everything according to the Bible, that is fine. I have no wish to interfer with the faith of another, but many of us have asked questions about the contradictions and unbelievable concepts within the Bible and have discovered that the true believers can't answer these things. The true believer ignores them. If Christianity can't accept or understand that people either don't believe, or have large questions that are left unanswered, then it is a weak religion at best and at worst a cult.
Unless someone provides the world with evidence supporting the existence of a soul, even just one soul, then asking where some souls are going to go is a pointless question.
Before you reply I feel it only fair to point out that I believe in God. I just don't follow a literal interpretation of the Bible as being a word for word, dead on accurate recitation of the God's words. I can't prove God exists and I don't bother to try nor worry about it. My belief is not threatened by science or the theory of evolution. What I do try, and actively, is go up against people that want to replace fact-based science with their own version of what they believe. Just because you believe does not make it so and the only facts that fundamentalists and other Christians can provide is the Bible. A book rife with contradiction. This is not to say that there isn't wisdom in the Bible and that it isn't a good basis for a theology and morality. It is not a science book.
Quantum Physics-the NEXT frontier (as it it actually still relatively unchartered,in the BIG scope of the universal picture)

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The fact you have so little. If there was a life after death, time becomes meaningless, life itself becomes meaningless simply because it is such a short time.
I hadn't thought of it that way. What a very good and interesting point you make.

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Quantum Physics-the NEXT frontier (as it it actually still relatively unchartered,in the BIG scope of the universal picture)
Alexander looked at the length and bredth of his kingdom and wept for there were no more worlds to conquer. Alexander had a very limited view of the world. There is so much uncharted water and quantum physics is only one sea among many.

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Those pesky gravitationists, they're insane.
The gravitationalists had been poised on the cusp of taking over, but something has been holding them down.

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<quoted text>The gravitationalists had been poised on the cusp of taking over, but something has been holding them down.
Yeah, they keep falling on their faces.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
"The long term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to his Churchís public marks of the covenant-baptism and holy communion-must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel." Gary North

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The long term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to his Churchís public marks of the covenant-baptism and holy communion-must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel. Gary North

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Dec 13, 2012
 
What in the heck happened with the double-post....sorry admin, take the top one if you will.
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<quoted text>How do you know you have a soul? Have you seen it? Have you felt it? Have you heard it? Have you touched it? What does it look like? What color is it? Is it long or short? Is it round, oblong, square, triangular?
If you believe that God created everything according to the Bible, that is fine. I have no wish to interfer with the faith of another, but many of us have asked questions about the contradictions and unbelievable concepts within the Bible and have discovered that the true believers can't answer these things. The true believer ignores them. If Christianity can't accept or understand that people either don't believe, or have large questions that are left unanswered, then it is a weak religion at best and at worst a cult.
Unless someone provides the world with evidence supporting the existence of a soul, even just one soul, then asking where some souls are going to go is a pointless question.
Before you reply I feel it only fair to point out that I believe in God. I just don't follow a literal interpretation of the Bible as being a word for word, dead on accurate recitation of the God's words. I can't prove God exists and I don't bother to try nor worry about it. My belief is not threatened by science or the theory of evolution. What I do try, and actively, is go up against people that want to replace fact-based science with their own version of what they believe. Just because you believe does not make it so and the only facts that fundamentalists and other Christians can provide is the Bible. A book rife with contradiction. This is not to say that there isn't wisdom in the Bible and that it isn't a good basis for a theology and morality. It is not a science book.
What Contradiction do you see in the Bible?
Your soul is the ghost of you...the none body living breath of you. what shape does it need to have? What color do you think it is? You probably know who has felt your soul that you claim isn't there. people carry hurt/joy inside their souls...

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How do you explain that supposedly purely functional components which only LOOK like ERV's can be resurrected FROM these markers artificially with the result acting EXACTLY like a retrovirus does?
That's the part that I found to perhaps be a little "contrary"
too!!(I think, if the processing is accurate enough anyway)
I doubt if any ERV is "purely functional". They are made of DNA and it is not surprising that the genome has "learned" how to use ERV's. They are full of potentially useful genetic information. From my understanding only fairly recent ERV's can be resurrected. The longer an ERV is in the genome the more mutations it will have. An obvious fact that Maz missed since she can think only from a creationist paradigm.

And that might explain a great deal of the problem with Maz's thought process. She seems like she might be fairly bright, with the exception of basing her life on a belief in a fantasy. When you twist and turn science to take into account the equivalent of the Tooth Fairy you are going to get some very twisted science as a result.

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<quoted text>You are trying to martyr Christian beliefs. A methodolgy of the suppression of openness, innovation, science and intellectual freedom that Christianity is perfecting to the point of nausea. Christianity is among the most populace religions in the World and is in one denomination or another, the primary religion of most Americans. How then are all these anti-Christian attacks being carried out and by whom. Other Christians?
Christianity is on the attack these days and propaganda about how Christianity is being attacked is the primary weapon of first strike. I tried reading your post and maybe I will try and continue despite what I posted previously, but my description seems to fit so far. It is not science that is forcing states to go to court. It is not science that is martyring itself to support its views. It is not science that is trying to rewrite history and change the origin of the US Constitution and the views of the people that founded the United States. It is not science that throws up misrepresented facts, misinformation and lies to defend its position. Stop and ask yourself if what you believe is so strong why does it have to be defended with such false warriors weilding fictional blades.
When a woman attempts to teach a man...it is always a crime. She's the laughing stalk of the world. A work of fiction is not a crime to anyone or anything. C.S.Lewis used fiction, J R R Tolkien used fiction to convey spiritual truths. Why is The Wizard of Oz so popular? Who are the cowardly Lions? Those are probably poor examples since they aren't by women...but we can't take forever...we only have so much time. I think you are wrong about true christianity...because america is considered the 'christian nation'..that does present a problem...I don't really see so-called christians as encouraging eternal life and mercy either, but not enough can be said or done to convey that Jesus is still as pure in His leading the Church (his Church...not the Catholic...or baptist...or evangelical free...etc...Just THE CHURCH, the bride) today as he was when he walked on the earth. He doesn't lead people to do evil. He left a new commandment you know that we love eachother as he loved us. It didn't take long for Peter and Paul to go separate ways. One to the jews and one to the gentiles. But they were both ambassadors for Christ. Christ is the Prince of Peace. No person is going to bring peace. People will believe that the antichrist is alll about peace. They will follow him and be convinced that good is evil and evil is good. Everyone grows up in church it seems without knowing much other than there's rules to live by, without questioning why or without skilled and patient teachers for their why.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, behold, the evidentiary PROOF is in the putz- as presented above.
I sleep very well thank you. Glad you enjoyed MY references of direction.
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Thatís what I love to see, a moron who has no counter arguments but is too pig headed to admit the fact.

Yes proof, not the cherry picked, quote mined garbage you have been offering but actual proof with copies of his writings on the subject of his feelings towards gods and your god in general, religion, faith etc.

However if you can provide similar proof then please feel free because really your word and you lies and offensive and slanderous comments donít mean squat.

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Evidentiary presentation number two, above.
(albeit flawed-due to lacking of authenticatable, reliable source citation)
Why are you fumbling in the dark, the required sources were posted in the previous post. I know you donít like truth and fact but thatís your problem, live with it
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Or were you just making verbal threats and/or false accusations?
Honey it was you seen and proven to be lying in the face of your god, it was you distorting a dead mans belief, I was simply pointing out haw pathetic that is.

If you consider facts to be false accusations then the problem is you personality and eductaion. All you have to do is cite sources for your claim and they will be examined, as yet you have been unable to do so however my sources however are beyond doubt
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Along with parroting anothers posting format...
That's all REALLY, REALLY rather Freakish-as in stalker like freakish.
Honey, if you donít like me taking the p|ss out of your lying posts then donít post lies on a public thread.
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I don't trust the swabbies either-give 'em a raised eyebrow follicle at times I have lol.
You're experiencing an excess of mirth tonight! Well, at least you caught my typo without jumping on it.

No, I don't think that science has genuinely mapped too much of the genome, and what they have matched would be very telling of their agendas. It wouldn't surprise me if there were several factions out there, determined to identify the Jews, Gypsies, Native Americans and other "impurities" that have infiltrated the exquisite White Mother's world, hiding behind white skin.(or some other self-important, bigoted, megolamaniacal, label!)

We're so obsessed with imprisoning gas-and-go thieves, we'll never know what hit us. As we speak, nouveau-riche Yale preppies who think of themselves as some Jeffersonian "natural-born ruling class" are inventing the barriers to success that conservative businessmen will be embracing tomorrow. One hand washes the other, as usual. Real liberalism is dead in this country. The real trouble has yet to begin.

Anyway, a little capriciousness goes a long way. Don't get caught on the wrong side of the walls when they're built. As I see it, the Evolution crowd needs a Devil's advocate, but I don't consider myself an expendable devil, if you know what I mean!!

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