Evolution vs. Creation

There are 20 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#65017 Dec 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Your ignorance is NOT our problem.
And why are you, a known and confirmed liar accusing other people of lying?
There's a name for the sub-par, UNethical of the species like that-but don't tell them--they would never believe you.

We'll pwetend, and call it "Code Hpe2Dnth" umm...degree.

(Deya Santerclaws--may I have a wet noodle, made of cattail strands plz? I pwomise only to use it on the willfully ignorant and hatefilled lol)
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#65018 Dec 13, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Over 3700 documented deities since the Sumarians, prior to that who knows? Of those 3700 at least 2400 are identified as gods or goddesses.
And we can also break that down into branches of a particular religion, take christianity for example with of 37000 different cults. Each claiming theirs is the only way and most claiming that unless you are of their cult you will not get to heaven.
As to what makes a religion (or a cult) the right one, well of course it all depends which one the particular believer belongs to, that is obviously the correct one.
So, not anyone else's problem, till such becomes a problem. A lot of people don't like blond haired people either. Should they all be castrated and dehumanized because of it?

No, and neither should the ones that prefer it, unless of course any of them become willfull ignorance problems, willfully hating on others, for having their OWN likes and dislikes, and of course, thier OWN opinions and beliefs.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#65019 Dec 13, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Nope, not wrong. There is much misrepresentation and misinterpretation and deliberate lies about Einstein’s thoughts. He made himself clear on several occasions
“Religious apologists cannot entirely be blamed for claiming Albert Einstein as one of their own. He was fond of quoting "God" as a poetic metaphor, in rather irresponsible fashion although, to be fair in turn to Einstein, he couldn't have anticipated the extent of today's dishonest quote-mining.“ Richard Dawkins
Einstien wrote that he had gradually lost his faith early in childhood:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_...
Einstein stated: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.
Einstein wrote: "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.”
Einstein used many labels to describe his religious views, including "agnostic", "religious nonbeliever" and a believer in "Spinoza's God."
YOU seem to be one of those example species with a willfull ignorance problem.

I referenced what Einstien said DIRECTLY (as in from the source of, not from a chain of ignorant, grade school tin can he said she said garbage), based on DIRECT interviews and LETTERS, as spoken and written by the man himself.

Emphasis on "DIRECT", as in out of the mans mouth, and penned from his hands himself.

And it's not nice to ATTACK people, that aren't around to defend themselves especially! So in a right spirit, I shall uphold the original author and interviewer of the articles I quoted, and say, I enjoyed reading them immensely, and found them quite enlightening.

MUCH more so than from a rewritten, not even restated factually, often UNcredible source as wikistoopedia.

Back to the dunce chair for you, and tighten your tin foil caplet, it seems to be somewhat askew, and loosely hanging.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#65020 Dec 13, 2012
Footnote: and to say ANYthing else beyond whathas already been posted on the verbage of Eistien, would not only be "willfully ignorant" it would be utterly "abjectly" ignorant as well, because, the written words of the history of such stated, is all the evidence we have, and beyond that evidence, the truly honest with even HALF a non-dysfunctional brain, could ONLY say, "we DON'T know".

And we don't, because we Weren't there!!

End of PSA.

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Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#65021 Dec 13, 2012
Maz, thanks for the confirmation that you have no clue of what a transitional form is.

Tiktaalik has not been discredited. Yes, there may be some older forms of tetrapods. That has no bearing upon whether Tiktaalik is a transitional form or not. And it was still found using the help of the theory of evolution. So you are still wrong about the predictive powers of the theory too. I know there are others. Some of them are so obvious that you miss them. For example, the theory of evolution predicts the sort of fossil record that we see every day. It may not be the most useful of predictions, but it is still a prediction. A fossil out of order could be deadly to the theory, the Cambrian bunny rabbit that your side hopes to find some day is a good example.

Now on to Haldane. Haldane was never a problem for evolutionists because WE DID NOT MISINTERPRET HIS WORK. There is no Haldane's dilemma. Not only two pairs are involved in evolution. How many times do you need to be told this simple point before you see what an idiot you are. Experience says we will probably need to tell you this at least fifty times or more before you sheepishly drop this idiotic idea.

Lastly ERV's. You made this incredibly stupid statement:
There are numerous ervs that are not shared between chimps and humans and the only thing that makes them recent is the fact that they 'need' to be 'recent' according to TOE.
I did not want to tell you the one obvious fact that shows that ERV's are old. According to the TOE the older an ERV is the more mutations it will have. ERV's get mutations just like every other gene in the genome. Also according to the TOE, shared ERV's between animals that are more distantly related to us than chimps or other apes would have to be older ERV's. So the ERV's that we share with a dog or a cat would have more changes in them than the ERV's we share with a chimp. Even if it was the exact same ERV, there would be fewer mutational differences between the ERV's of a specific ERV that we share with a chimp than the same ERV that we share with a dog.

A prediction that evolution makes that you cannot claim for creationism.

Now for the big difference between Maz and I and other people who believe the theory of evolution. This necessary difference is obvious to me, yet since I am not a geneticist who is reading this topic every day I have not read any articles that support that very claim of mine. I bet I can find some. I am not afraid to make a reasonable prediction and then find if I am right after the fact. The reason? I know that I am right. My side has been shown to be right thousands and thousands, if not millions and millions of times. Maz and her sort have been shown to be wrong millions and millions of times. It makes them a bit gun shy.

So off to search at bit on articles on ERV's.

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#65022 Dec 13, 2012
Still looking, it has been only a few minutes and most of it has been involved in reading this primer that Maz should read so she might GET A CLUE. It explains how ERV's work. And links articles properly so you can check his work:

http://ecritis.blogspot.com/2009/06/winaces-e...
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#65023 Dec 13, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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Is the flying fish real?
Yes, but it doesn't engage in actual self-sustained flight. It's another glider that propels itself into the air. Perhaps someday it may evolve into an true flier but I doubt it. Gills are a bit of a liability when you're airborne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_fish
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#65024 Dec 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Experience says we will probably need to tell you this at least fifty times or more before you sheepishly drop this idiotic idea.
Oh, a thousand times more at least. There's no scientific theory of creationism, but there IS a scientific theory of creationists that makes valid successful testable scientific predictions - they will constantly lie and ignore anything theologically inconvenient without addressing the posts that demonstrate them to be wrong.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#65025 Dec 13, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Stuff like this however--IS actually "interesting"!!
The two genes SLC24A5 and SLC45A2 were recently identified as major determinants of pigmentation in humans and in other vertebrates. The allele p.A111T in the former gene and the allele p.L374F in the latter gene are both nearly fixed in light-skinned Europeans, and can therefore be considered ancestry informative marker (AIMs).
(oops-- forgot the site cite!!)
I don't normally dwell on the actual chemistry of genetics. It's sufficient for me to know that Melanin is important because it blocks UV radiation. It would seem that pigmentation has become a bit more about presentation than function among the Caucasian tribes but that's a whole new can of worms.

Curiously, I suspect that appearance and personality are linked in the European tribes. It would seem that there's a genetic advantage to visually announcing yourself before any further dialog when in Europe. One can only wonder!

Level 9

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#65026 Dec 13, 2012
A specific article that supports me still eludes me. I have found a reference to mouse human genome differences, but since it is a professional journal the bit I want seems to be buried deep inside the article and is not available at the levels I can read.

Perhaps it is still to new of a topic for it to be widespread in the popular press. I still stand by my prediction. ERV's that we share with mice would have many more differences between them than the same ERV's that we share with other apes.
TheIndependentMa jority

London, KY

#65027 Dec 13, 2012
anonymous wrote:
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I don't normally dwell on the actual chemistry of genetics. It's sufficient for me to know that Melanin is important because it blocks UV radiation. It would seem that pigmentation has become a bit more about presentation than function among the Caucasian tribes but that's a whole new can of worms.
Curiously, I suspect that appearance and personality are linked in the European tribes. It would seem that there's a genetic advantage to visually announcing yourself before any further dialog when in Europe. One can only wonder!
Oh oui oui, et, est-ce que votre annonce un modèle français, que "vous savez t être tellement" parce que l'internet a dit?

AIMS perhaps Would be the more suitable acronymn in this instance, eh?
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#65028 Dec 13, 2012
Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#65029 Dec 13, 2012
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Oh oui oui, et, est-ce que votre annonce un modèle français, que "vous savez t être tellement" parce que l'internet a dit?
AIMS perhaps Would be the more suitable acronymn in this instance, eh?
I'm not familiar enough with France or the French to decode that right. I'll assume AIMS is some internet teaching consortium, although there's many references to the acronym. If you're trying to be subtle, it's too subtle!...and I like getting information in return, when I give it!:)

If you're implying that the dialog here is not sufficiently in layman's language, ask! I don't mind explaining and I rarely allude to Internet culture, or at least make sure it's understood that I'm doing so. I'm tragically aware that I may be posting to someone half my age and unaware of things that I find commonplace. It's downright annoying when I find out that a twenty year old has never heard of Laurel and Hardy!

There's a few gaps in my day from work and sleep so when I post, it's those brief recreational moments! It would be bad to do forum talk while at work. They use those waist-high cubicles!
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#65030 Dec 13, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
Those really exist too! Although they really just twist around on the ground to find new water. They were a big thing when they were announced in the 70's.

“Eleanor, Where is your heart?!”

Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#65031 Dec 13, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
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We've already had a taste of what the world would be like if religion rules....it was called the Dark Ages, and the place was really a sh!thole.
Religion was worse then dictators rule because the religion thought it was doing 'the right thing.' Many, many innocent people died.
Do you mean to say that during the dark ages God's will was being done on earth as it was being done in heaven?

“Eleanor, Where is your heart?!”

Level 6

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#65032 Dec 13, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Never seen a flying fish or heard a talking one, but I did see a walking catfish....:)
Many are familiar with the Chalk-browed Mockingbird as well.

It has been classified as Least concern by the IUCN.(BLI 2004)

[edit] References Thank you Wikipedia. sigh. Everyone knows it's a sin to kill a mocking bird #%$$& it
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#65033 Dec 13, 2012
I fish wrote:
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Many are familiar with the Chalk-browed Mockingbird as well.
It has been classified as Least concern by the IUCN.(BLI 2004)
[edit] References Thank you Wikipedia. sigh. Everyone knows it's a sin to kill a mocking bird #%$$& it
Darwin was listening for the Mockingbird to sing and they appropriate the calls of others, now why is that?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#65034 Dec 13, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Darwin was listening for the Mockingbird to sing and they appropriate the calls of others, now why is that?
Without researching the scientific literature on the subject, I couldn't say. But I bet you'll be able to tie it into "Systems, Cycles and Patterns" somehow, right?
Jesus Diablo

Plymouth, MN

#65035 Dec 13, 2012
While science and religion are not incompatible, using religion as a substitute for science is. You only fool yourself, MazHere (and other creationists), by believing that you can punch holes in scientific theories with religious beliefs masquerading as science. Those of us who follow science entertain ourselves by engaging and provoking you and others who share your views. And yet, there is some value in kicking the wasp's nest: by drawing you out, we can more readily pinpoint your weaknesses and collectively shake our heads over your fallacious arguments. And with this information strengthen our positions and sharpen our arguments.

In short, MazHere, you are the worse possible spokesperson for your views.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65036 Dec 13, 2012
FREE SERVANT wrote:
The European word "man" means thinker or "men" means to think.
According to whom?

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