Evolution vs. Creation

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The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#64652 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
Assertions using the name of science can not disprove the existence of God.
Every one are subjected to their opinions whether true or false.
But no one in the history of mankind and the universe are able to disprove the existence of God.
None.
Big deal, no-one can disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#64653 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> It is revealing fact that tells us vividly that, all flesh or humans must be tempted, no matter how holy and powerful you are.
Take it further to verse 10 ( Math. 4 vs 10).
Actually I stopped at talking lizard.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#64654 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dreaming. Denying God's existence is like denying ones life. Humans despite the advent of drugs, still ends up dying. Science just can not stop that.
Why, Bill?
Because God truly exist.
You are making assumptions here that don't necessarily follow.

Because we die is not proof that God exists my friend.

There will always be gaps in what we want to do and what we can do.

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Long Beach

#64655 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
Assertions using the name of science can not disprove the existence of God.
Every one are subjected to their opinions whether true or false.
But no one in the history of mankind and the universe are able to disprove the existence of God.
None.
AND no one in the history of mankind and the universe has been able to PROVE the existence of God...or any god.

However facts of science may be used in dissembling the lies about religion. We CAN and HAVE disproven much of the Bible...what does that say about the credibility of the religion itself???

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64656 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Crazy talk!
Have you seen any one living forever? none.
Wait a sec. I thought you were claiming to be one of the immortals -- confidentially expecting resurrection due to your faith in Jesus, where as the rest of us faithless ephemerals were doomed, and you were lording it over us.

Hey, I am getting close to checking out of this forum. Maybe a couple more posts to go. Gotta get my life back. It has been fun, but folks don't take things so hard, and be nice. Merry Christmas all!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64657 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
Assertions using the name of science can not disprove the existence of God.
Every one are subjected to their opinions whether true or false.
But no one in the history of mankind and the universe are able to disprove the existence of God.
None.
Perhaps not. Then again, scientists haven't tried to disprove God (many scientists are quite religious, mind you).

But.

Science CAN provide evidence that the "Creation" account given in Genesis is incorrect, that the universe, earth, and life itself did not form under in the method(s) and time scales described in the Bible.
Elohim

Branford, CT

#64658 Dec 11, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait a sec. I thought you were claiming to be one of the immortals -- confidentially expecting resurrection due to your faith in Jesus, where as the rest of us faithless ephemerals were doomed, and you were lording it over us.
Hey, I am getting close to checking out of this forum. Maybe a couple more posts to go. Gotta get my life back. It has been fun, but folks don't take things so hard, and be nice. Merry Christmas all!
And a Happy New Year to you sir!

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Level 7

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#64659 Dec 11, 2012
Jesus Diablo

Plymouth, MN

#64660 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
Assertions using the name of science can not disprove the existence of God.
Every one are subjected to their opinions whether true or false.
But no one in the history of mankind and the universe are able to disprove the existence of God.
None.
Science doesn't set out nor is interested in proving or disproving the existence of God. It's purpose if far more limited, it is limited to facts. It attempts to prove/disprove them through repeatable experiments that support/don't support the previous result. It's rational. Here's a simple science experiment to illustrate: 1+1=2. Now you try it. See? Same result. There's no opinion or beliefs involved.

On the other hand, religion is not fact based. It is, by it's own admission, a belief system (it's silly to say "I believe" 1+1 is 2 because it's a proven fact that it is 2). Beliefs are not, by definition, either right or wrong (that would make them a fact). Beliefs are either held or not (it's equally silly to say that God in fact exists because a belief of such an existence is not subject to independent verification). You can only legitimately question whether or not the individual actually believes (if one does, fine; as a belief it's neither right nor wrong)or not (if one does not, fine; as a belief it's neither right nor wrong). Or the strength of his/her belief. As such, it is, by definition, irrational.

The problem is using rationality to explain the irrational and vice-versa (like trying to squeeze a square peg in a round hole). Otherwise called a "categorical mistake."

So does God exist? Well of course not.
Jesus Diablo

Plymouth, MN

#64661 Dec 11, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps not. Then again, scientists haven't tried to disprove God (many scientists are quite religious, mind you).
But.
Science CAN provide evidence that the "Creation" account given in Genesis is incorrect, that the universe, earth, and life itself did not form under in the method(s) and time scales described in the Bible.
I agree. The problem is that religious individuals are using irrationality to explain rational features. Doesn't work; better, cannot work. To explain rational features one needs to use rational arguments. Similarly, to explain irrational features on needs to rely on irrationality. This will not "prove" anything in the scientific sense, it will only prove one's belief system. Hence, it's correct to say "I believe in creationism" and incorrect to say "Creationism is a fact." The latter statement is akin to saying "A square is round."

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Level 7

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#64662 Dec 11, 2012
Jesus Diablo wrote:
<quoted text>
Science doesn't set out nor is interested in proving or disproving the existence of God. It's purpose if far more limited, it is limited to facts. It attempts to prove/disprove them through repeatable experiments that support/don't support the previous result. It's rational. Here's a simple science experiment to illustrate: 1+1=2. Now you try it. See? Same result. There's no opinion or beliefs involved.
On the other hand, religion is not fact based. It is, by it's own admission, a belief system (it's silly to say "I believe" 1+1 is 2 because it's a proven fact that it is 2). Beliefs are not, by definition, either right or wrong (that would make them a fact). Beliefs are either held or not (it's equally silly to say that God in fact exists because a belief of such an existence is not subject to independent verification). You can only legitimately question whether or not the individual actually believes (if one does, fine; as a belief it's neither right nor wrong)or not (if one does not, fine; as a belief it's neither right nor wrong). Or the strength of his/her belief. As such, it is, by definition, irrational.
The problem is using rationality to explain the irrational and vice-versa (like trying to squeeze a square peg in a round hole). Otherwise called a "categorical mistake."
So does God exist? Well of course not.
Hmm...so the universe just came together finely tuned randomly?

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#64663 Dec 11, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Big deal, no-one can disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Whatever. But that does not change who God truly is. God exist.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#64664 Dec 11, 2012
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I stopped at talking lizard.
Whatever, dream boy.

Level 2

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#64665 Dec 11, 2012
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
You are making assumptions here that don't necessarily follow.
Because we die is not proof that God exists my friend.
There will always be gaps in what we want to do and what we can do.
And that gaps vividly proves the existence of God.
reality

Germantown, OH

#64666 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And that gaps vividly proves the existence of God.
Huh? What?
You obviously didn't bother to try out for your high school debate team and/or you very conveniently slept with your college LOG101 professor.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64667 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And that gaps vividly proves the existence of God.


Now who can argue with logic like THAT?

[/SARCASM]

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64668 Dec 11, 2012
MazHere wrote:
As I have previously stated, atheists gobble on about how NOT special the earth and mankind is on the back of all observed data suggesting the earth and mankind are special.'Goldilocks' is the term often used
You could be right, but we haven't been able to explore any of the planets outside our solar system yet, so our knowledge about them is rather limited. I suggest not rushing to a conclusion just yet.
MazHere wrote:
and if anyone talks of aliens they are nuts as none have been verified.
Well we can speculate about aliens, and I guess we can speculate about earth being more golden than planets barely detected, but neither speculation deserves even the most tentative conclusions.
MazHere wrote:
Then they deny the possible existence of an alien life form, just because it is not organic and explainable with our limited knowledge, where we can hardly explain all we can observe.
If you are talking about God or gods, most of the denial is relative to interacting with them on earth. Most agnostics and atheists haven't had the benefit of any such encounter, so you shouldn't blame them for doubting. I'll just include the various gods with the category of aliens until I meet one.
MazHere wrote:
So if you want to gobble on about "Not being able to prove something one way or the other is still not being able to prove something one way or the other.", then atheists and evolutionists are leaders in using the strategy you spoke to and calling that science.
No doubt that can happen, so it's important to communicate to each other when we are having fun with some wild speculation, versus, when we think we are getting close to some real insight.
MazHere wrote:
Indeed the proof in the pudding is evos and particularly atheists needing to chase thier tails in hypocritical philosophical rhetoric staying as far away from science as they possibly can.
I don't see all that much more hypocritical attitude in atheists versus believers. Some are more genuine than others, it's true. But it seems to me that it depends mostly on innate personality.

Do evos actually gobble? Isn't that just a gratuitous insult? I'm sorry if you are reacting to bad manners on the part of your debating opponents. I hope you will learn to forgive.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64669 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> It goes in both ways.
Just to show that I am not jealous of your having the last word, it being the most final truth and all....
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> It goes in both ways.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64670 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am not asking you for any favour. I am only telling you that, you can not deny the validity of the bible and the creator.
How can you deny that I already did that?
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I am not asking you for any favour. I am only telling you that, you can not deny the validity of the bible and the creator.

Since: Nov 12

Milk River, Canada

#64671 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Dreaming. Denying God's existence is like denying ones life. Humans despite the advent of drugs, still ends up dying. Science just can not stop that.
Why, Bill?
Because God truly exist.
First time I heard that God's major objective was to see us killed.
Charles Idemi wrote:
Because God truly exist.

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