Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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TheIndependentMa jority

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Dec 11, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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Not baseless but demonstrated fact. Once you're capable of formulating a rational rebuttal then maybe you'll be taken seriously. As it is all you can do is preach.(shrug)
Hey, that <shrug> really is a good answer...it emits some actual realistic, logical, rational, down to earth SENSE!!!
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Dec 11, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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Nobody ever claimed it was perfect but it does work. You guys are just bitter that you can't even pass scientific peer-review. The one time you did scientists started complaining about the peer-review process.
:-p
Prolly cuz they were "junking" up the walls inside the boxes and stuff lol
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
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Aristotle first suggested an earth-centric universe 384–322 BC
Ptolemy (AD 2nd century) expanded these ideas into what became known as the Ptolemaic system
A Christian, 16th century, Copernicus (1473–1543) postulated as a better explanation that the earth and planets revolved around the sun
Another Christian, 17th century, Galileo (1564–1642), with his telescope, was able to carry out repeated and repeatable observations which refuted Aristotle and Ptolemy, and supported Copernicus.
The heliocentric or Copernican system opposed the views of the astronomer-philosophers of the day, who earned their livelihood by teaching Aristotle and Ptolemy, and so were biased against change.
They therefore either ignored, ridiculed, destroyed, or hostilely opposed Galileo’’s writings.
Many Catholic Church leaders allowed themselves to be persuaded by the Aristotelians at the universities that the geocentric system was taught in Scripture and that Galileo was contradicting the Bible.
This was because:
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The Church leaders had accepted as dogma the belief system of the pagan (i.e. non-Christian) philosophers, Aristotle and Ptolemy, which had become the worldview of the then scientific establishment. The result was that Church leaders were using the knowledge of the day to interpret Scripture, instead of using the Bible to evaluate the knowledge of the day.
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They clung to the ‘majority opinion’ about the universe and rejected the ‘minority view’ of Copernicus and Galileo, even after Galileo had presented indisputable evidence based on repeatable scientific observations that the majority was wrong.
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They picked out a few verses from the Bible which they thought said that the sun moved around the earth, but they failed to realize that Bible texts must be understood in terms of what the author intended to convey. Thus, when Moses wrote of the ‘risen’ sun (Genesis 19:23) and sun ‘set’(Genesis 28:11), his purpose was not to formulate an astronomical dictum. Rather he, by God’s spirit, was using the language of appearance so that his readers would easily understand what time of day he was talking about. And it is perfectly valid in physics to describe motion relative to the most convenient reference frame, which in this case is the earth
They therefore bitterly opposed Galileo to the extent of forcing him on pain of death to repudiate his findings.
A lesson to the Church today
Do not compromise...
And you, timn17
Need to read more..
Exactly. So the Bible is literally true except when it's not. Therefore the Church got it wrong because they stuck to a literal interpretation of the Bible. Therefore the Bible is wrong. Yeah we already knew that. Thanks.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
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Hey
Shrugosaurus!
You're back!
How about a shrug...
What's wrong with a shrug between old buds?
C'mon
Shrug, shrug, shrug....
I notice you are still going on about nested hierarchies
You old sandbag
How about joining us here in the 21st century
Take the Gene: TAAR1 ENSG00000146399
http://asia.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/Gene/Com...
Now, of course it could be argued that the primates are all together, more similar to each other. But it should be noticed that Because this gene in Humans is less similar to Gorilla than it is to Monkeys then the Nested Hierarchy is violated between the Great Ape Gorilla which should be more similar to Humans than Humans are to Marmosets, Gibbons and Macuaques.
Not written by me, of course
Mine would be funnier:
three little monkeys sitting in a tree,
one fell out and bumped his knee,
took him to the doctor and the doctor said,
"You drive evolutionists crazy dontcha?
Sniff...sniff...ah smell <shrug> ...no shrugging inside the boxes LOL
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
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Yes, yes
They do...
From the paraellel, now defunct since every evo-god worshipper has been utterly thrashed, Creation/Evolution debate:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TMH...
Post number 1354
Creationist Dr Russell Humphrey's model out-guns the evolutionary model
Whoops, you just contradicted yourself Russ. Ergo creationism is as useless as it's always been. But thanks for a great demonstration of that.

Better luck next time.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
ChristineM wrote:
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And they will continue to supply none, the longer they wait to supply none the less they have to supply and when they started with none then less is not much at all
Actually some people at the parameter institute and others now thinks differently, certainly about this universe. I believe it was Neil Turok who says something along the lines “we are not certain how this universe was born but one thing is sure, no god did it”
One of the biggest, reoccuring perpetual "flaw" in SOME of humanity--the ones that are so "sure" they "know everything", when OBVIOUSLY, they don't....so they deny instead, what they have yet to comprehend.

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Dec 11, 2012
 
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Hey by your standards the Earth is flat and lizards and donkeys can talk.(shrug)
Know where ah can get any francincence? It goes goood with shrug lol.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
Humphreys model also predicts rapid reversals of the magnetic field.
This is in defiance of the evolutionary models predictions of reversals taking thousands of years 'proving' the earth is millions of years old.
This is the usual wishful thinking exhibited by evolutionists
Right. So you claim evolutionists destroy the Earth with extra heat therefore the Earth is young thereby accelerating radioactive decay and creating more heat thereby destroying the Earth therefore Goddidit with magic.

BRILLIANT!

And who knew that evolutionists existed before the theory of evolution? It's now a time travelling conspiracy!!!

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"Religious factions are man made."
Along with the bible and all the rituals.
Now some religious factions are so washed out they don't even seem to recognize a God, but mainly, yes, the God believers of some sort certainly don't rule him out -- by definition. You might be surprised, but nor do I, even if there are some atheist fundies who do.
I never knew God wanted us to seek him out. I wouldn't mind his wanting us to, but I have always been fascinated to follow up any leads even without knowing or considering his wants.
Your opinion.
God exist and the bible is the written words of God.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
thewordofme wrote:
Does genetics support a single couple (Adam and Eve)?
NO...
http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-point-...
Wrong answer

Try YES.....

Mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosome Adam
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Dec 11, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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Exactly. So the Bible is literally true except when it's not. Therefore the Church got it wrong because they stuck to a literal interpretation of the Bible. Therefore the Bible is wrong. Yeah we already knew that. Thanks.
Shrugosaurus

You disappoint....

As usual...

The chruch took the Aristotelian view and NOT the Bible...

Don't skim read, you old sandbag
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Dec 11, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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Whoops, you just contradicted yourself Russ. Ergo creationism is as useless as it's always been. But thanks for a great demonstration of that.
Better luck next time.
Heard a new one the other day--the universe as we know it--being INSIDE a "black hole".

Kind of a (no doubt on the kind of--was stemming from) a "cultish" environment but...a thought that ah'd never pondered before :-)...
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The Dude wrote:
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Right. So you claim evolutionists destroy the Earth with extra heat therefore the Earth is young thereby accelerating radioactive decay and creating more heat thereby destroying the Earth therefore Goddidit with magic.
BRILLIANT!
And who knew that evolutionists existed before the theory of evolution? It's now a time travelling conspiracy!!!
There ya go...more "FLAWED" meremly madmade construction lol

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Dec 11, 2012
 
Honey wrote:
<quoted text>HAHAHA O your killing me and the bibles always right Right hahahahaha I'm not trying to upset you, really I'm not But that's such an insane thing to say. The bible is a story book that's all and one day waaay in the future, they will look back at the history of human evolution and think wow we've come a long way Thank Darwin we are not like that any more :)
There is only one God, Jester.
More than half of your population knows that.

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Russell wrote:
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Wrong answer
Try YES.....
Mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosome Adam
Mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosome Adam lived about 80,000 years apart

So are you saying that Adam was well into necrophilia?

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Dec 11, 2012
 
AustinHook wrote:
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Why not. Not impossible that anyone will convert. And death bed conversions are a dime a dozen. Boy, the day that light hits me, I am going to make all the evos squirm,'cause I'll know all their tricks by then. That other me will probably be a real pain in the neck!
I am glad you know that death is inevitable.
No matter how powerful you are, you must die.

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Dec 11, 2012
 
The Dude wrote:
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Actually Chucky is unwittingly not wrong in this particular case. Creationism can never be completely ruled out of science. All they need to is present a scientific case for it.
3,000 years later they have none.
And they never will So come on all you bible bashing creationists, once and for all prove it. Come on, I mean you've got the god on your side, there's no need for him to hide any more. Come on down. I dare you too, I double dare you.:) Take your time We've been waiting this long ....

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Actually if you had any sort of education at all you would know that there is actually literally thousands.
And how do you "know" that yours is the "right" one? Oh yeah - people DIE, therefore the Bible iz troo cuz teh Bible sez so.
You one smart cookie.
The different sects of Christianity does not change who God really is.
God is still God.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
Russell wrote:
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Hey
Shrugosaurus!
You're back!
How about a shrug...
What's wrong with a shrug between old buds?
C'mon
Shrug, shrug, shrug....
I notice you are still going on about nested hierarchies
You old sandbag
How about joining us here in the 21st century
Take the Gene: TAAR1 ENSG00000146399
http://asia.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/Gene/Com...
Now, of course it could be argued that the primates are all together, more similar to each other. But it should be noticed that Because this gene in Humans is less similar to Gorilla than it is to Monkeys then the Nested Hierarchy is violated between the Great Ape Gorilla which should be more similar to Humans than Humans are to Marmosets, Gibbons and Macuaques.
Not according to your own info. That's why you have to misrepresent datasets like this, because it's the overall base by base comparison that counts. So let's propose an example where TAAR1 is present in the ancestor of both humans and gorillas 12MYA. Humans and gorillas split roughly 10MYA and diverge as expected, however the gorilla lineage happens to see more changes in TAAR1 than the separate lineage that led to lets say Orangs. The overall genetic comparison between humans and gorillas demonstrates gorillas to be the closest genetic match, but it happens that TAAR1 is more different in gorillas to humans than it is in Orangs. This is *not* a violation of nested hierarchy.

But then none of this matters if Goddidit with magic anyway does it?

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Dec 11, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> There is only one God, Jester.
More than half of your population knows that.
Nope there are more than 3700 documented, as we have discussed several times during the course of this day

You have not managed to contradict the fact, you have not managed to contradict the wording that you own god accepts that there are more than one god. All you have done is give personal opinion (as usual) with nothing to back it up, it’s the Charles Idemi way

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