Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 217129 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#64480 Dec 11, 2012
Honey wrote:
<quoted text>Hey :) don't let the superstitious people get to you. Remember what they are, good entertainment and never loose your sense of humor. One more thing, when they say "so you think 95% of the people on the planet are wrong" I'd like to take a world poll now and I bet there are more people that believe in the scientific truth that an old, dying superstition.:)
Of course even the "95%" would have to admit that with a best case scenario 2/3 of the people on the planet are wrong. There is a slue of gods out there and the only thing they all agree on is that the others don't exist.

Hmm, maybe they are more right than I give them credit for. The whole world is at least 99.9% atheist!

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#64481 Dec 11, 2012
Cybele wrote:
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According to that link:
"Intriguingly, the precursor molecules used by Sutherland’s team have been identified in interstellar dust clouds and on meteorites."
That's interesting because that could mean there is life out there!
....and since the planet earth has been continuously bombarded by intersteller debris in the form of asteroids, comets, etc since being formed, those compounds have 'hitched a ride' here as well.

Organic compounds and other essential substances in deep space, the ability of these chemicals to NATURALLY combine to create base elements for life (RNA).....

Hmmmm....

Since: Nov 12

Raymond, Canada

#64482 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> You can not turn the bible upside down.
God is one. The bible mentioned Baals, Asherah, Dagon, etc, as sub gods, and God also warned the people of Israel not to worship those disgusting gods.
There was something about Jehovah as meaning son of some father god that was also father to other gods in the region.

In any case you might be missing a good bet. Maybe Baal was the chief and Jehovah only the sub-God, or else why did the people of Israel keep going back to him every the leaders turned their backs. I hear that Baal was quite a party guy, though I didn't like having to sacrifice one's first born to him. Kind of puts a depressing palour on the party parlour

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#64483 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If you are from the US, UK, western Europe and some other parts of the world, you would know that there is only one God. The bible said so.
Location has buggerall to do with babble BS

The babble also states there were multiple gods as I have already shown you with the last hour, it even claims you god joined them. A point that you CHOOSE to ignore, that’s true christianity in a nutshell

Which bit of the babble ya going to believe (if any)?

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#64484 Dec 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes you can, just as with any other book, it’s easy. However I think you are not talking about the physicality but about the interpretation. In that case too you are mistaken, there are as many interpretations as there are sects of your religion (and every one of the 38000+ sects of christianity claims to be the only correct one). The nice thing about reading it as a book rather than a as a religious guide is that you don’t need to interpret based on what you are told to interpret but instead apply logic and literalness of the writing.
However those passages each mention other gods which you deny. Psalm 82:1-2 even mentions that he joined them, went amongst them, it does not mention anything about over them or subjugation of them, i.e. He considered himself equal, not above.
Yes the babble states he warned not to worship them but not that they were disgusting but he was jealous of them and he said so himself,
“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God”(Exodus 20:4-5).
Say what? He is said in Revelation 19:6 (KJV) to be omnipotent yet he is petty?
Why is your view so different from your gods? So again you are ignoring the word of your god, some christian you turned out to be.
Babbling!
You are interpreting the bible wrongly.
Go on with your gibberish.
Russell

Ainslie, Australia

#64485 Dec 11, 2012
TheBlackSheep wrote:
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Things that make me think:
Odd that an Aussie, talking to a fellow Aussie, would use an American reference. One would think that with all the racial issue the white Australians had with the Australian Aborigines, that a suitable Australian reference would have been used, thus ensuring the understanding between the two Aussies.
I am sure that many excuses will or could be made, but I wouldn't believe them. I believe that someone is lying about being an Aussie.
MazHere, whatcho lyin' fer agin
Honey

Nerang, Australia

#64486 Dec 11, 2012
AustinHook wrote:
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I'd like to pick Kali to be born in the image of. I could always use and extra hand...
HAHA that's more like it These E vs C comments can get a little heated and at the end of the day every sane person knows there isn't a god I mean DAR. I mean OK GOD, COME ON, SMITE ME O GOD, COME ON waiting waiting It's just soooo silly, but fun
Honey

Nerang, Australia

#64487 Dec 11, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Of course even the "95%" would have to admit that with a best case scenario 2/3 of the people on the planet are wrong. There is a slue of gods out there and the only thing they all agree on is that the others don't exist.
Hmm, maybe they are more right than I give them credit for. The whole world is at least 99.9% atheist!
O MY GOD YOUR RIGHT you should get a medal, you are brilliant. HAHA love it Thanks for the laugh.:)

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#64488 Dec 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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More admission of your ignorance, how do you live with yourself?
Science is working on answers, unlike the godbots who are stuck in the bronze age yet willing to embrace that science that they decry to decry that science.
God is a God of science and wonders. You will never understand that. Evolution of non human to human, is baseless.

Since: Nov 12

Raymond, Canada

#64489 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>The different religious sects or factions, does not rule out the existence of God. God exist and he wants us to seek him.
Religious factions are man made.
"Religious factions are man made."

Along with the bible and all the rituals.

Now some religious factions are so washed out they don't even seem to recognize a God, but mainly, yes, the God believers of some sort certainly don't rule him out -- by definition. You might be surprised, but nor do I, even if there are some atheist fundies who do.

I never knew God wanted us to seek him out. I wouldn't mind his wanting us to, but I have always been fascinated to follow up any leads even without knowing or considering his wants.

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#64490 Dec 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Location has buggerall to do with babble BS
The babble also states there were multiple gods as I have already shown you with the last hour, it even claims you god joined them. A point that you CHOOSE to ignore, that’s true christianity in a nutshell
Which bit of the babble ya going to believe (if any)?
Wrong.
Read or study the first commandment.
The one given in the old and new testament.
Russell

Ainslie, Australia

#64491 Dec 11, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>
I found this in my notes:
"set of catalytic residues are responsible for synthesizing ATP"
Cellular Metabolism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =E0G2UpESxV4XX
Note: not for the faint hearted nor poorly educated.
High school level Krebs cycle?

Not for the faint hearted?

Too many wet lettuces on this Forum

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#64492 Dec 11, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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....and since the planet earth has been continuously bombarded by intersteller debris in the form of asteroids, comets, etc since being formed, those compounds have 'hitched a ride' here as well.
Organic compounds and other essential substances in deep space, the ability of these chemicals to NATURALLY combine to create base elements for life (RNA).....
Hmmmm....
It is estimated that even today, after 4.5 billion years of “hoovering” 14 million tons of dust, around 180,000 tons of meteors and between 10 and 20 thousand tones of meteorites fall on earth every year. A percentage of this debris (from stone debris) is organic.

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#64493 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong.
Read or study the first commandment.
The one given in the old and new testament.
Why is it wrong? Are you saying that the babble is wrong?

Is Exodus 12:12, Exodus 20:2-5, Exodus 34:14 and Psalm 82:1-2 wrong?

I have quoted a few of the passages that you IGNORE, that is not me who is wrong but you who is ignorant

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#64494 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God is a God of science and wonders. You will never understand that. Evolution of non human to human, is baseless.
Evidence please, come on, you make the claim and after all that’s what science is after all - to provide evidence of a hypothesis and to have it have that evidence examined and tested by peers. Come on we wait in anticipation for you evidence and just think how rich and famous you would become by providing such evidence. Don’t you think it really strange that no godbot has yet managed to provide such evidence?

However to make unfalsifiable claims as to what science is, is simply lying and lying for you god is the worst possible lying that one can commit, it’s sick and demonstrates a delusional mind.

Evolution is proven, the theory explains the fact, it is measured, recorded, documented and can be observed at this very moment in time in various locations around the world. Your denial of truth and fact will not make it go away.
Russell

Ainslie, Australia

#64495 Dec 11, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
All you have offered to date is a mixture of articles that you did not understand and misinterpreted. eaily debunkable sources, and the rare fringe article of dubious veracity.
And this last article is from a bit of a questionable source. Due to economics open access journals are less reliable than regular peer reviewed journals. The peer review of your article is a bit dubious to say the least.
Are you still going on about peer review?

Other than all the issues I have clearly outlined previously on the parallel Creation/evolution Forum:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/TMH...

Here are further papers discussing more issues:
"Do we need an alternative to peer-reviewed journals?
The problems with peer review and scientific publishing have been a topic for …
by Jonathan M. Gitlin - July 19 2011, 0:29am -950

http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/07/do-we-...

And
BMJ
"Problems with peer review"

BMJ2010;340doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmj.c1409 (Published 15 March 2010)
Cite this as:BMJ2010;340:c1409
http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c1409

From the New York Times:
The Doctor's World

"For Science's Gatekeepers, a Credibility Gap "

By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN, M.D.

Published: May 2, 2006
For Science's Gatekeepers, a Credibility Gap
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/02/health/02do...

And finally, from InfoToday
“Could Peer review be Wrong” by Robin Peek
Vol. 20 No. 4 — April 2003

Including a mention of Cochrane Review, about which I quote:

“In January, Cochrane published "Editorial Peer-Review for Improving the Quality of Reports of Biomedical Studies." According to the organization, this study was conducted because "the knowledgebase of peer review has traditionally lagged far behind its acceptability and use as a quality-assessment tool."

Cochrane claims that assumptions about the use of peer review for objective decision making have "rarely been tested." In addition, it says that the need to "prioritize information sources is crucial since there are over 20,000 biomedical journals published globally."

http://www.infotoday.com/it/apr03/peek.shtml

Obviously, peer review requires peer review

So it is obviously not the panacea for every ill in science publishing

But it means a heck of a lot to the layperson...

Since: Nov 12

Raymond, Canada

#64496 Dec 11, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
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....and since the planet earth has been continuously bombarded by intersteller debris in the form of asteroids, comets, etc since being formed, those compounds have 'hitched a ride' here as well.
Spread out the napkin on the table... who's got a pen...?

OK, so it looks like life developed on the earth about a billion years or so after the earth was formed. Moreover, it looks like life developed on the earth within a few hundred million years after life could have possibly survived. Maybe a lot less. Now the fastest intersellar meteroids seems to travel at about 50 miles per second, and light travels at about 200,000 miles a second, so in 200 million years that meteroid could possibly have travelled about 25,000 light years, which is only about 1/5th of the diameter of our galaxy.

Well, that is a lot of room in human terms, but those projectiles would have to have been very numerous, and of amazing aim to hit the moving target of the earth, and have enough pieces left, not incinerated to plant it's germ seed here. So I'd say that while panspermia is possible, it might not even be statistically as likely, as life just having come out of abiogenesie right here in River City, folks.

If the numbers were a bit different, and life had taken billions of years to show up after the earth was ready, then panspermia would be more plausible. Anyway, play with those numbers. Maybe I made a mistake in my head. In any case it certainly looks like life would have had to exploded out along with the big bang itself, if panspermia has any chance of explaining it, otherwise the origin of life would have had to be very much more local. Don't forget, those other stars were spreading out and getting further and further away all the time.

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#64497 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Babbling!
You are interpreting the bible wrongly.
Go on with your gibberish.
I am not interpreting the babble at all (that is the job of true believers like you) I am reading it logically, as it is written with no faith telling me what I should interpret it as

Anyway what is to interpret about Exodus 20:4-5

“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God”

Tell me how you interpret that passage?

What about Psalm 82:1

“God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods”

Tell me how you interpret that passage?
Honey

Nerang, Australia

#64498 Dec 11, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> If you are from the US, UK, western Europe and some other parts of the world, you would know that there is only one God. The bible said so.
HAHAHA O your killing me and the bibles always right Right hahahahaha I'm not trying to upset you, really I'm not But that's such an insane thing to say. The bible is a story book that's all and one day waaay in the future, they will look back at the history of human evolution and think wow we've come a long way Thank Darwin we are not like that any more :)
Russell

Ainslie, Australia

#64499 Dec 11, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot boy is back!
No, peer review is a fair process. If creationists really had a valid idea it would pass peer review.
This was not peer reviewed:

Watson, J.D. and Crick, F.H.C., A structure for deoxyribose nucleic acid, Nature 171:737–738, 25 April 1953

Probably a load of rubbish

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