Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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Dec 10, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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That's right except the funds also come from NASA and US Air Force Space
Yeah, I did see that.

A case could be made for *indirectly* receiving money through tax payers.

But this begs the question: Why would NASA and the US Air Force (among others) provide funding to SETI without those organizations holding the possibilty of a return?

A modest monetary offering by these donors could result in mighty interesting data. You might say it's a long shot (as would I), but we don't know what kind of funding they're offering.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Cybele wrote:
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I thought there is an answer to that. The Big Bang.
The Big Bang is a hypothesis about the origine of the Universe.....cosmological, not the beginning of life itself, which is biological.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
geeze..."origin".

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Makesure100 wrote:
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Always creation freak.
The process of bringing you into this world is called, what ?

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Dec 10, 2012
 
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>The master baiter is back!
The process of giving birth is WHAT?!
It's part creation and part evolution. It certainly isn't something that a couple of people decided to because they had a box full of spare parts and a free weekend ahead of them. Granted, they might accomplish the same with a weekend and a couple of bottles of wine, but they'd be a bit arrogant to take full credit for the design part.
....come to think of it, they probably do think that after too much wine. Charles, who have you been spying on NOW?
Spying what?
Creation in/ on this aspect, constitute about 70%.
Ruling out creation from science according to Makesure 100, is a freakshow.

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TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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Exactly what is being referenced as "junk" DNA? I ask specifically because, how would any rational scientist label any DNA as "junk" when all DNA has yet to be totally defined as to it's individual functions within the strands of?
For example, would the DNA of an onion be considered "junk", when it lends to science the ability to possibly witness the creation and mutation of bochulism, when handled incorrectly?
Seriously...and that's not "just more nothing but copy and paste hot air BS and question" question....
Exactly. It was a great surprise to most scientists after they thought they
had a handle on telling which parts of the DNA actually coded for proteins
and which didn't. It was hard to believe, but it was looking like most of
it did nothing. So some just decided to call it junk DNA, and then tried to
rationalize how that could possibly be explained. So naturally there has
been a lot of speculation about it.

I don't think it was so much the idea that there could be some parts that
were left behind by evolution as other parts of the genome changed, but what
was shocking was the possibility that maybe as much as 90% of the DNA for
some species could be non-coding.

Now it seems that parts of the previously inexplicable segments operate in a
kind of different way, and so it remains to be seen how much is really
essential. I believe most scientists in the field were expecting some sort
of explanation eventually, and were suspending judgement. Others preferred
to run with what what they saw, to see if they could make a theory that fit
that evidence. It's typical of the way science progresses, and no reason to
worry about who to criticise for leaping to conclusions. Some times those
who leap first are the pioneers, and sometimes they just arrive at the dead
end sooner, while someone else discovers the path that leads forward.
There is no cause to disparage the excitement for the pursuit of knowledge
in that way, or to take all the mistakes to blame science as a whole,
without crediting it for the progress that is eventually made.

Scientists are human, and probably a few percent never accept newer
theories. Then what happens is that ignorant people with political or
manipulative agendas try to inject politics or religious views into the
fray, pick and choose the from the results or personalities. They then make
a lot of irrational noise about it, to harness the non-scientists and the
gullible into some project they have in mind. I love fairy tales and
science fiction myself, but I keep them separate in my head, so that I know
what to depend on when reality smacks me in the face.
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Dec 10, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> God bless you. The world itself, is a miracle. How can one find water inside a rock, how does it get in there?
This and many others will tell us that the world itself is a miracle.
Yes, it is all a miracle by our God and Creator. Thank you my friend , Merry Christmas to you and yours.

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Kong_ wrote:
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The Big Bang is a hypothesis about the origine of the Universe.....cosmological, not the beginning of life itself, which is biological.
We are made of STARS. All elements (except hydrogen and helium) are formed in the stars. We are literally star dust. But I think life itself has to be 'programmed' by something out there.

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is all a miracle by our God and Creator. Thank you my friend , Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Merry Christmas to you and your lovely family also. God bless you.

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TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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"In the beginning there was light"
And that was probably true-A big bang of it.
Why reading comprehension and English are pretty crucial subjects as well---for indepenedent thinkers-not stuck inside narrow square boxes of limited and/or closed minded thought anyway.
Ever see red algea growth in water?
Some of it can look blood red. And underwater gas pockets can really do a number on water color too!
Interesting smattering of quotes and facts, but it does not answer the question.

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Cybele wrote:
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We are made of STARS. All elements (except hydrogen and helium) are formed in the stars. We are literally star dust.
I agree. Same with my old, pos car, my television, my yard, my dog, and the planet itself. No argument there.
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>But I think life itself has to be 'programmed' by something out there.
That does have a possibility. All you need to be able to teach that belief of yours in public school classrooms is evidence of this 'programming', and evidence of the 'Programmer'.

Until then, it does not qualify as science, and thus has no place in public school classrooms.

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#64389
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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> The process of bringing you into this world is called, what ?
Birth.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Merry Christmas to you and your lovely family also. God bless you.
Get a room.

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Dec 10, 2012
 
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The universe very well may have started out very very small and then branched out, however it happened in a 6 day period.
Is there any evidence for that?
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Kong_ wrote:
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....oooookay....
<<Kong backing away slowly>>
Perfect way of handling things, Bud
See I always knew you were smart under all that stupidness

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FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>From my understanding of miracles, they originate from God with suddeness. Jesus performed miracles which prove this assertion. It only took long enough for him to command it to be and it was so.
Is there any physical evidence left over from those miracles?
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DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Get a room.
Gee, you're easy
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#64395
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Kong_ wrote:
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Yeah, I did see that.
A case could be made for *indirectly* receiving money through tax payers.
But this begs the question: Why would NASA and the US Air Force (among others) provide funding to SETI without those organizations holding the possibilty of a return?
A modest monetary offering by these donors could result in mighty interesting data. You might say it's a long shot (as would I), but we don't know what kind of funding they're offering.
In order to get more funding, silly
Its a popular thought amongst dodos like you that aliens are real and trying to send us coded messages...
Apologies to any Christians that also think that!

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thewordofme wrote:
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You are not really making any sense here.
The Old Testament is demonstrated to be just a bunch of myths and allegory...not real in any sense. And just think how many people have fallen for it.
How is "Thou shalt not kill" a myth or allegory?
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EvolutionRules wrote:
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A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. There is no scientific theory of Creationism.
I don't adhere well to affixing "labels" onto personal beliefs..."broad range ones" especially.

"In the beginning, there was light" says plenty enough for me, to be able to appreciate BOTH the scientific aspects of the "subject", as well written words as found in non-scientific books, such as the Bible.

and I like this define better--
Scientific theory

Systematic ideational structure of broad scope, conceived by the human imagination, that encompasses a family of empirical (experiential) laws regarding regularities existing in objects and events, both observed and posited. A scientific theory is a structure suggested by these laws and is devised to explain them in a scientifically rational manner.

and even more so, since we really do NOT "know" with 100 percent certainty, on EITHER, calling the "big bang" elements a theory, would be "stretching" the truth somewhat as well, as it really is more of a "hypothesis", much along the lines of the statement "in the beginning there was light..." ..we think, but we were NOT thre, to KNOW, with certainty.

hy·poth·e·sis
[hahy-poth-uh-sis, hi-] Show IPA
noun, plural hy·poth·e·ses [-seez] Show IPA .
1.
a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.
2.
a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.
3.
the antecedent of a conditional proposition.
4.
a mere assumption or guess.

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